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Knight Porter

For a second, I thought the horse game was Horse Isle 3. Them doing a pride event would be truly laughable.

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texyFX

a PR maneuver to enforce some revenue?

in the last decade LGBT+ and overall social awareness grew strong(er) into a marketing factor. so y not create some PR drama on LGBT+ oppression during the PRIDE festival for some bonus coverage.

cuz those rainbows of pride probably wont sell themselves without…

the (every) industry is evil.

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Bruno Brito

So, if MOP allows me, i wanna use this space to put forward some thoughts about myself and i’ll make it related to the topic.

I’ve been under the feeling that i’m more on the spectrum than i thought. I knew for a while i was bissexual, but i also didn’t have a issue with my performance. What i mean is: I’m ok with being a cis-man. I’m not trans, nor do i have a issue being called he/him. I like my name.

That being said, i am wanting more and more to perform femininity. I want to wear cute dresses, i want my gender-performance to be fluid. I want to get to a point where i’ll have beautiful tattoos and cool colored hair, and piercings, i wanna be a breathing work of art.

I know what will happen. I never considered myself part of the LGBTQ+ because i wasn’t being persecuted. People look at me and see a man, but the moment i decided to follow through with what i really want to be, i’ll feel it in my skin. My grandfather will probably disown me. My mom will accept be on the best of her limits, but there will be issues ( i actually came out as bi to her a while ago and she accepted it ). My father will go ballistic. Brazil is one of the countries that most kill LGBTQ+ in the world, which means there’s a real risk.

All these corporate performances are really polarizing. People like to point out that politics shouldn’t be part of this, but reality is, our lives are political. They always were, they always will be. People are able to see others as “equals” because there were political fights in the past that led us here. And the people who say “ah, but you already got far enough” always existed. And in the end, even corporate performances, altho we KNOW they are greed-fueled, are a cookie in a bowl that tends to be empty, while we starve for change.

I will become part of the community the moment i decide to finally become a He/Him/She/Her/They/Them. And that will happen where i want or not. I cannot take off the politics out of my life and my name, unless i take the pronoums i want to use out of the pronoums that society decided would be used to refer to my body.

I’m sorry for all of you that hate politics in your games, but i also hate my life being political, and if i’m going to start living with this ( which by the way, i have friends who live with this crap for decades already ), you can live with a fucking pride flag and some gay characters. Or as you yourselves tend to put it:

“You can ignore and move on.”

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Chris Neal

Nothing is more personal than your own journey, so take your time to explore this, protect yourself, and become the true person you are in whatever shape that is.

And welcome, most of all. :D

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Bruno Brito

Do you offer keychains and complementary pride flags?

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Kevin Smith

Do whatever makes you happy. That is the only thing that matters. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks or says to be blunt about it. Sounds like you might be into cross dressing as an example. If so give it a try sometime. I never have understood why people care what others do to make themselves happy. Unfortunately there are a lot of close minded people in the world. It is their right to be closed minded. Never give them two thoughts though.

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Bruno Brito

Yeah, i am into crossdressing but i never tried it. I kinda have a picture-perfect visualization of what i want when i finally crossdress and it’ll be a long road.

But yeah, thanks. Maybe i’m sounding a bit more vulnerable and emotional on the way i’m saying those things, but honestly i’m not. This is basically another decision in life for me that i can accept just fine. Not everyone has that privilege.

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EmberStar

I’d say “sounding a bit vulnerable” is kind of expected when you live in a country where “doing something that makes you feel better and literally can’t hurt anyone” can still result in getting beaten to death by a gang of macho a-holes because seeing another man wearing high heels is such a threat to their self-esteem that it’s grounds for homicide. (Which is quietly endorsed by the government, because said gang has almost zero chance of actually being held accountable.)

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Bruno Brito

Yeah, but it’s just how i am. I’m not that sensitive, altho i sound like it. I can take my time until i perform what i want to, and i’m ok wearing the skin i am wearing right now.

Sure, would i love things to be different? Yes. I want people to stop trying to change ME and change themselves, but there are people who are way more affected and deserve this help more than me.

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styopa

You’re a person whose comments I enjoy reading on massively. Beyond that I don’t honestly care what you do as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.
On a human level, I’m sorry that it seems like being yourself is a struggle in your context. I hope you can find a way to be happy.

Otherwise…
“Ignoring it and moving on”

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Bruno Brito

Beyond that I don’t honestly care what you do as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.

That’s literally the point. The necessity of Pride, the existence of flags, the entire debacles that representation become, all come from a point in time where people did care for what others did without them hurting anyone. Pride itself is a history of fight against oppression, and every day, someone either from inside the community or mostly from outside, wants to sanitize pride and performance because “think of the kids” or something ( which is a common tactic against LGBTQ+ and has roots into the bigotry of considering us a bunch of pedos, perverts and deviants ). You can’t take kink out of pride, you can’t take the sexuality out of pride because those were the reasons people bled and conquered our space.

What you can do, is to educate people so they’re comfortable enough with said demonstrations. Most of them aren’t willing to, and we aren’t willing to give up, so…you see where i’m going with this.

I’m all for more people being like you and not give a shit about what i do. But i know that the moment i don the dress, and anyone realizes i have masculine features, i’ll be a LGBTQ+ on a country where 90% of the trans population dies before 35.

And yet, i have to hear from the draugis dipshit above your comment how i was being hateful because he can’t bear seeing a fucking rainbow flag.

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Tobasco da Gama

In any case, the crisis has apparently been somewhat averted, as now the company has added back the original message into the game’s website, though not for all countries, where it says it is “legally unable” to do so. It’s not clear which countries those are, but it’s definitely viewable here in the US now.

Wild guess: Russia, China, and the Middle East.

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Vanquesse V

“we would like to support this cause in any area where doing so could make us more money”

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Ardra Diva

i wish art would stay apolitical, but that’s probably extremely unlikely. The sad truth is that when you take a stand, you’re by definition alienating another group. If you just treat it like it’s none of your business? There’s nothing to be offended by (except those perhaps who insist you must take a stand, which are fortunately a small minority.) One of the greatest marketing successes of the 20th century is Michael Jordan, who famously avoided politics with the quote, “Republicans buy shoes, too…”

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Vanquesse V

I wish everyone would fight against oppression everywhere, all the time.
I also care a lot more about human rights than marketing.
Asking art to stay apolitical is at best a poorly thought out impossibility, at worst a veiled attempt to silence minorities.
It’s very easy to play the enlightened centrist card when you don’t have any skin in the game.

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Bruno Brito

i wish art would stay apolitical, but that’s probably extremely unlikely.

Because it never was. Art is political. It’s literally a tangible representation of human thought and behavior. What you want is art to stay without opinion, which…it won’t happen either, and thank god for it. Art is one of the best vehicles to fight opression. It was used in the dark ages to convey “heretical” thought. It was used in the Enlightment to generate discourse. It tells us our story and our view of things. It’s one of these things that never changed function ever since we left the caverns.

The sad truth is that when you take a stand, you’re by definition alienating another group.

So? There are groups in this world who are the target audience for EVERYTHING. And not everything should be tailored to them. There’s nothing sad about this. LGBTQ+ people are used to being props for quite a while now, and no one bats an eye when they’re remembered on pride but if ONE character or feature is made with them in mind, people lose their goddamn marbles.

If you just treat it like it’s none of your business? There’s nothing to be offended by (except those perhaps who insist you must take a stand, which are fortunately a small minority.)

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So…you not being offended by something, means no one should? Hell, i don’t even think this particular happening is that egregious, it’s just incompetence by people that are trying to profit on us, but they don’t really know the discourse well enough to not step on eggs.

But everytime the discourse about us happen, there come the centrists in droves that are trying their best to formulate the prettiests ways of saying “As long as you don’t perform nothing and sanitize yourselves for our viewing pleasure, we won’t be against you.”

Nothing new here.

One of the greatest marketing successes of the 20th century is Michael Jordan, who famously avoided politics with the quote, “Republicans buy shoes, too…”

I’m not going to say Jordan should politicize, he has the right to be at peace with his decisions, but his quote must be a godsend for people that want to erase our existence and issues. So, i hold my right to say it’s a bad quote. Congratulations on him managing to be a “marketing success”.

The way i see it, the moment that Colin Kaepernick kneeled and prompted an demand for apologies from the Police, he proved to the world that as long as he shut the fuck up and played ball, he would be safe.

The best sentence in this convo was my friend’s Vanquesse V’s:

“It’s very easy to play the enlightened centrist card when you don’t have any skin in the game.”

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EmberStar

Choosing not to take a stand… is in fact taking a stand.

John Stuart Mill, from an address in 1867:
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

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Turing fail

I think those who oppress their fellow citizens deserve to be alienated…