BlizzCon 2017: World of Warcraft’s classic server will be a ‘massive effort’

In the process of picking yourself up off of the floor following Friday’s announcement of World of Warcraft Classic at BlizzCon 2017? As your mind grapples with Blizzard’s surprise revelation of a legacy server project that will take players back to the vanilla era of World of Warcraft, you probably share the same questions and concerns that Eurogamer voiced in an interview at the convention.

Executive Producer J. Allen Brack was reluctant to give the publication any specifics on a timetable, saying that the project was just announced, only basic infrastructure is in place, and that the team is forming. He did confirm that Classic won’t be taking away any people or resources from the main MMO, as Blizzard is treating this as a separate game with its own dedicated team.

“Our goal is to recreate that classic 1-60 gameplay,” Brack said. “Some things changed as time went on, with different patches. How does that get manifested? That’s one of the outstanding questions. But yeah, the goal is to recreate that exact experience, for better or for worse.”

One interesting declaration shows that Blizzard is committed to the project: “One of the things we do know is that by announcing this, we’re in the WoW Classic business forever. Once that starts, there’s a commitment on our end that we’re going to continue maintaining those servers for as long as there is a World of Warcraft.”

Source: Eurogamer
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Steely Bob
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anal [Cotton Candy]

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zeko_rena

I look forward to its release and us being able to see the numbers, I have a feeling it will start fairly strong but within a few weeks it will be near dead in terms of playerbase.

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Cali

I’m currently playing on an unsanctioned Burning Crusade server and have been asking since I started, “Why wouldn’t Blizzard want to tap into this player base?” We’ve seen other games implement vanilla realms with varying degrees of success but the amount of vanilla private wow servers is pretty large and because of this, WoW has a awesome opportunity to bring back old players and attract some curious newer players as well. People play on the private servers, not to save themselves the $15 per month, but to enjoy the nostalgia of how it used to be. All of my guildies are super excited to get a more high quality playing experience once Blizzard opens their own classic server. We all play with high ping and have to deal with occasional breaks in services on our current private server. There is some debate about which faction we are going to play and some have threatened to quit if we don’t pick their faction. In any case, our discord has been blowing up with this discussion and we are all very excited.

Ideally for me the way that vanilla servers would work is: The new wow expansion and vanilla server release would be staggered by at least a year because I really want to play both! Vanilla server will launch and content will be released at an accelerated rate compared to how it was 12 years ago. So this means instead of raiding the same content for a year+ that we get the content at least 50% faster. This will help keep the player base engaged since as a community we are all better gamers now than we were 12 years ago. After about 2 years of the classic server I want to see them roll the server into the burning crusade expansion and have a similar accelerated content release. Or they could launch a “fresh” vanilla server about every 9 months (since a lot of the private server crowd love that new server leveling experience). If they want to just keep vanilla servers vanilla forever they could beginning merging old servers with the new once they reach the end of the patch releases. Other than changing the timing of patches I don’t want them to change anything about the game.

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Alberto

Ah your poor Fools..”You can never go back Home again” Found this out the hard way several times in games I’ve gone back to and in Real life. Your not the same person you were 12 years ago..the people you played with have mostly moved on and your not a teen living at home not worrying about work or kids or rent or Just college classes.

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Estranged

I was a working adult during BC and loved it. You don’t have to play 24 hour sessions to just have fun.

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rawhunger

We’ll just see how far this goes…

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Pål Einar Jensen

Great news. All I wanted this. I will be back in Azeroth soon.

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Coolit

From the conversations I’ve had with my guildmates several are already talking about moving to classic which makes me wonder if we’ll end up with a situation like Runescape where a sizable chunk of the playerbase moved to oldschool.

I started playing in BC so it will be interesting to see what Vanilla is like :)

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zoward

I’m not sure Blizzard would care, as long as you’re paying a sub. It keeps the sub numbers up and presumably should be easier to maintain than the mainline version.

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zeko_rena

Yep, and in theory development costs once its all up and running should be very low since these people don’t want new content ever.

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agemyth 😩

Well, now that they have opened this can of worms there will naturally be players demanding for BC and WotLK era classic servers as well.
It is fine that people want that, but they should know Blizzard is not understating that this endeavor is a massive effort.

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Celestia

Will be interesting to see how long this holds the attention of players.

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Kherova

I might actually play that. I have stopped playing WOW, because as a casual player I just can’t keep up. I have always enjoyed most the time between expansions that most other players hated. I am looking forward to get to max level and then not have to keep up with the next thing.

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Armsbend

I’m enjoying wow because I feel like I can play 5-10 hours a week and still see everything I want to more or less. I’ll NEVER be max anything but I’m okay with that these days. I’m just enjoying the artwork, the music, the design and some of the ridiculous conversations the debased have in trade chat.

Estranged
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Estranged

@Armsbend You would have been a legend during the apex of trade and Barrens chat.

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thalendor

Barrens chat

That begs the question: will it still be full of Chuck Norris jokes? It’s not truly going to be classic Barrens chat if reading it is not a constant round-house kick to the eyes…

Estranged
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Estranged

I’ll be sure of it! Plus, must honor new memes.

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Yoshi Senpai

Stopped playing because you can’t keep up with expansions that take a week to catch up to so you want to play the grindy old version.

Right…

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Alberto

There a lot of “Rose colored Glasses” that are going to get shattered I’m betting!

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rafterman

And even more detractors eating crow.

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Michael

Enjoy expansion-less WoW forever. That is what you are getting. See how long that content drought keeps you playing when it has no end ;P

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Dan

It makes absolutely no sense for blizzard to lock the server down at 1.12. Servers will be progression servers (time locked or otherwise). Which is absolutely awesome IMO.

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TRU?H

Classic and Progression servers are extremely popular in other MMOs, why would WoW be any different? Why does it upset you that others are going to play something they enjoy?

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Alberto

They really aren’t THAT popular with pops in the handful of thousands vs Millions of the Real game ( w a 14.99 sub) and how many people played because it was free?

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TRU?H

I wasn’t speaking of private servers, I was talking about things like EQ progression servers and Runescape classic, both of which were hugely popular in their community, brought back a lot of older players that still play it now, and ended up causing the companies to gain more subs.

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zeko_rena

I always imagine a lot of players on private servers as kids who’s mum would not give them there credit card.

I don’t know why, and it is likely entirely wrong but I can’t get that image out of my head whenever I think of free private servers LOL

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nvidia

Agreed.. people will inevitably get bored with it because they’ve been there and done that. Once the new of the old has worn off, what will keep people coming back? What will bring in new players? This really seems like a waste of time, money, and effort to me.

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Estranged

Well guys, this is what you do…

Release a BC server…

Release a WotLK server…

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zoward

Or, have the classic server creep along timewise, transition to BC, and then start another classic server. Rinse and repeat with LK, and maybe even keep going into Cata, depending on how the numbers look and who wants to play what.

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Estranged

Right, you put it better than me.

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Loyheta

Haha enjoy leveling those weapon skills. I doubt I’ll go on here since most of my friends won’t be, so why split off?

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zeko_rena

Oh wow I had forgot about that hell grind hahahaha

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Jeff Risu Dailey

Time to punch some sheep again.

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MrEllis

That meant something different in the Navy…

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Armsbend

I both want to know and don’t want to know. Okay, I want to know.

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Arktouros

I just never understood the appeal.

Vanilla WOW had a lot of different points in it’s time before Burning Crusade. Battlegrounds weren’t a thing at release for example and many hours were spent just zerging back and forth. There also wasn’t resilience which meant certain classes had immense advantage over others. That also meant those of us with 40 man raids able to get the best raid gear were often times better off in PvP than everyone else. That also brings up balance as many classes were in very weird spots early on. I remember being very frustrated trying to play anything other than a Restro Druid because like Hurricane was the 31 point ability in Balance pre Moonchicken.

Going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

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Yangers

I’m sure a compnay with billions in revenue can manage what some randos on the internet cobbled together.

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Armsbend

I don’t think they will compromise on quality though. It is still their name on the final product – something Blizz actually seems to care about.

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Estranged

Arms – they do care, contrary to some what some would lead us all to believe.

They put out a high quality product, even when messing up. lol

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New players paying for what old players think they want. Let me update my MySpace page with that one…

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TRU?H

How much did Blizzard charge you for making this game for people? And where did you read the news that it’s going to be F2P for those players, since it’d have to be if you “new players” are the ones paying for it right?

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MrEllis

Everyone is talking about going back. What do you think that means? People paying for the game now are subsidizing the creation of this classic server. They’re not paying the people working on it with the kudos from comment sections.

Where the hell did you get F2P?

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Armsbend

I don’t think this is a welfare program.

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The real question is, will the old Discord UI mods still work? :)

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Johnny

Blizz is making a huge mistake here. The gaming community has proven overwhelmingly that they ask for things they don’t actually want. None of the prior old-school illegal servers represented Blizz’s original either. Same goes to UO pre-trammel servers.

This won’t last long at all. And blizz will waste money and finally end it with “I told you so”. Appealing you the people who want everything to be the same has failed everytime. Wildstar and Albion Online are two games that took the community to heart and failed. A developer needs to make a system that works. They need to stop trying to fit in all the things people pretend they want due to bandwagoning as it just makes their games a mess.

This will fail. People played the other servers only because they were cheap.

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Daniel Reasor

I imagine that someone at the top at Blizzard finally decided to do this their way instead of forever chasing down and suing emulators in order to protect Blizzard’s copyrights. If WoW Classic costs less after subscriptions then suing in foreign countries, then it succeeded. If players show up in enough numbers to make it profitable, even better.

We’ll find out how many emulator players missed WoW 1.0 and how many wanted to play WoW for free when it goes live. Until then, there’s no sense in players on either side throwing empty ad hominems at each other.

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Michael

Fortunately they are hiring a new team for this. I feel bad for the new team as they won’t have long lasting jobs or they will be there to simply make sure nothing goes wrong. It won’t be like, they will be helping provide future content when there is none.

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My knee jerk reaction was similar to yours. And I was/am pissed off a bit, as this seems like yet another case where the casual group of players which comprises the majority of the players of this (and let’s face it most) game(s), is subsidizing a feature that only the hard core players will actually use/like.

However, as I thought about, it actually isn’t, at least that’s why I think Blizz is going down this road. What Blizz is after is the 60+ million people who played WoW that do not now. The common factor amongst most players is how Vanilla was so awesome*. So they put out “Classic” servers and drop minimal marketing, let’s say just an email blast. They’ll likely get 3-5% to come back and drop 15$ to play. That is 27-45 million dollars. Which is not bad at all. Two other things, first is with proper marketing that return percentage will likely be at least 10, but possibly as high as 20-25%. The second is cross sell. All those people look at the launcher, and maybe some of them will try HotS or SC2. Maybe OW as well, especially if they do free weekends, or some incentives.

The downside is risk/cost. It sounds like this will cost a lot. Not likely as high as the low numbers I put, but could be painful. The risk is that people won’t come back/play this. That is probably low because Blizz has an immense faithful and the market of ex wow players is pretty damn large. However, since before Wrath, Blizzard’s marketing has really sucked.

I guess we’ll see. I don’t believe they’ll get more than a 3-5k people playing this after 6 months of being in operation**, but the initial push should be pretty sweet for them.

* Vanilla had problems. There were a lot of people who played only b/c their friends did. There was a ton of screaming and crying. Looking at the wayback machine, it looked like they churned nearly as many they brought in for almost all of Vanilla. TBC was really the expansion that solidified their churn, and WotLK set it in granite until Cata killed it.

** I base this on two things. First my own opinion that a game that was awesome in 2004 is not going to be as awesome in 2017/2018. Second is the Everquest prog servers. They seemed to drag in a ton of people, and they left when they realized that all features they were used to actually made the game fun.

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Don’t forget something here, those of those 60+million, there is less then 5 million that played Vanilla during Vanilla. A big chunk of those people are probably already playing the game too.

The ones who never got a chance to see it will check it out and immediately be turned away by archaic systems.

How do you look for a group? Spam lfg! (Alt+ F4)
How do you get the best PvP gear? Raid! (Alt+ F4)
How do you find quest locations? Read the log and figure it out (Alt+F4)

Just some examples of things that would immediately turn off a modern day gamer.

This is absolutely not something they will be marketing for new players. This is going to be marketed as something for veteran players or players who played when the game first came out. Why would they market something like this to new players when they want people to play the main version of the game over it?

It is literally in Blizzard’s best interest to have ONE push for Classic Server(S) away from expansions and content patches. After that, they will just push the main game. Why would they want people to just play Classic when they can pay for expansions to play the main game?

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Back to two-handed windfury/Earth Shock absolutely wrecking everything.

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I think they’ll see much more than 3-5K in the long run. There are two things that will work together to make this happen. The first is community. WoW community before cross-server tech was real and solid. The second factor is that leveling was SLOW, and you needed groups to complete all of those dungeon quests and even some class quests. Those groups end up building that community, and communities last in MMOs. I still keep in touch with people that I used to play WoW with, and even some from CoH.

If this were to use cross-server PvP, LFD and LFR, then yes, I would agree that this would not last long, because there would be nothing to build the server community. Even World PvP and Battlegrounds helped to build that community. I remember having a ton of friendly “rivalries” back in the day (though my Hunter really did piss off a lot of Rogues back in the day; the hate mail was real. lol), and I only casually PvPed.

Plus, the age of a game doesn’t matter if it is a good game. Look at Doom. Game came out 25 years ago and there are still plenty of people playing the game and making some damn good mods for it. The original Starcraft is still being played by enough people that Blizzard invested in a graphical update. Heck, I still play Jagged Alliance 2 at least once a year.

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Plus, the age of a game doesn’t matter if it is a good game. Look at Doom. Game came out 25 years ago and there are still plenty of people playing the game and making some damn good mods for it. The original Starcraft is still being played by enough people that Blizzard invested in a graphical update. Heck, I still play Jagged Alliance 2 at least once a year.

Just did a small experiment with Twitch. Right at this very second, there are 80 viewers of Doom. Compare that with PUBG at 47,005 viewers. Now I know that people watching games is slightly different than people playing it, but it is an interesting view.

Most people will play old games. Once or twice. This is why re-releases actually do fairly well on new mediums. The nostalgia factor is real. However, it is not going to be enough to support a AAA game. I can’t see Blizzard cutting corners, Morhaime and co’s pride is not gonna let them do that.

So its one thing if they use this as a vehicle to get people back, and to cross sell. I would be pissed off if this is just to make the ones who keep yelling happy . I’m sick to freaking death of subsidizing those loudmouth a-holes. If that’s the case, then I’m not giving any of Blizzard or ATVI a freaking penny again.

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Michael

The things you mentioned, forced grouping, slow leveling,ect while great community building tools (for a small, niche community) will turn away most modern players. All the things people liked about Vanilla WoW don’t exist in modern MMOs not because they are hard to do (they are easy to do) but because they don’t work if you want a successful game. Fortunately, Blizzard has that. So I expect the servers to stay up. The population, however, won’t be long for this world.

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“The things you mentioned…will turn away most modern players.”

Considering how toxic, short-attention-span, and terribad they are, most of us who played vanilla and left when the easiness just became “faceroll”…I can’t see this as a negative.

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Well, if you want to run around a ghost town, then be my guess.

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You are clearly completely out of touch with the private server community. The vast majority of them are excited as hell and money has nothing to do with it. Blizzard making Classic official also draws in a much larger new audience that never even touched private servers.

You also forget one very important detail: Vanilla is damn fun. There is no rose coloured glasses. Many play private servers who never once played vanilla, TBC or even Wrath and f’ing love the game. Why? Because this whole hype train of Wow all started with it launching back in the day as one hell of a fun game to play.

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amkosh

So… not having to pay money was no incentive?

How can you say that with a straight face?

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Michael

Adding cost to anything that was previously free will make it something that is going to be hard to stomach. Especially when that free thing will still exist. Those who already enjoy Vanilla servers won’t be playing on these servers. They already have time invested on the free ones too. Why would anyone from there switch?

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You negative types suffer from some projection issues.

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I can, tested private server, leveling a character to level 20 then stopped, i loved the game, never played it in its time and i wanted official server from Blizzard, yes i’m going to play it even if Blizzard asked to buy the game + another subscription.

If i’m willing to do that i’m sure many others feels the same.

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Michael

Sure, there are some of you, but the fact is that most of the people getting something for free right now will be unwilling to pay for that same thing. Simple economics.

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We’ll see about that, don’t forget people who don’t play private servers and they will play official ones.

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You sound very bitter. Let people who are happy about this be happy. Whatever ends up happening will happen regardless.

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So, as a WoW player I should be happy that the money I spend on sub and other stuff goes to something I won’t use, or find fun? Wouldn’t this money go to more content? I dunno, maybe an extra content patch or two for the dearth of content that everyone knows will happen between expansions? That would make millions happy.

IF Blizzard licensed this to some other group, they ran a kickstarter, then made it with only kickstarter money, then I would be super happy for them.

I’m getting so sick of being forced subsidize other’s happiness, especially when it appears strongly to me that these others are sociopaths who seem to feel getting thru something in a video game is an actual accomplishment.

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Armsbend

As opposed to the money you spend on WoW simply going to Activision’s bottom line? All sub money isn’t reinvested in WoW. Do you get this worked up when Blizzard develops any game that isn’t WoW? You funded it after all.

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I didn’t say you should be happy. What I said was others are, and that you trying to rain on their parade with your Nostra Dominus predictions will have no effect whatsoever. Whatever happens, will happen. Whether you like it or not, classic servers are coming.

To suggest that blizzard doesn’t have the funding to handle multiple games at once is delusional. Where did the money to make heroes of the storm came from? What about hearthstone? Overwatch? Except those titles were from scratch and cost more than reverting code back to a state it once was in, and also don’t require players to pay money every single month. And before you reply that people play private servers cause they’re free, put into perspective that $15 is a minuscule amount of money. I easily make more than that in a single hour of work, so to say that is a reason I’ve played on private vanilla servers is laughable.

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pepperzine

Let me apologize in advance, those aren’t your Nostradamus predictions, rather just ones you like.

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No, amkosh, it won’t effect the precious. Blizzard prints money. They are hiring a different staff for the project. This is a company that is willing to bury expensive projects, due to their quality standards. Legacy servers are a bee sting, financially.

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Lets hope this bee sting doesn’t end up on someone allergic then lol.

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McGuffn

so we can expect it 8 years after we get the dance studio.

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Whaar Garbl

Blizzard, one of the major online gaming companies that rehashes old (and sometimes borrowed) content with a shinier sheen, is claiming that rehashing old content with shinier sheen will be a massive effort.

Good rhetoric stance. Do something that you didn’t want to do, but wave your hands about and exaggerate about what a huge undertaking it will be.

Reminds me of Department of Defense contracts. But hey, pays for mortgages, rents, tuition, and cats.

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Michael

Really strange thing to say considering Blizzard just did the first HD Remaster they have ever done.

Unless you are coding for Blizzard, I would not underestimate how hard it is to do something like this for them.

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Whaar Garbl

If rehashing content is strange to you in an MMO discussion, you either haven’t been paying attention or need a head examination. Considering that stretch to remaster after ignoring the words “old content”, I’ll go with haven’t been paying attention.

It may not be as bad as City of Villains and its garbage copy and paste missions under a red UI, but there’s no point in shilling for Blizzard on the matter. Companies rehash old content. It’s a thing that happens. It’s okay (in moderation, NCSoft), just stop pretending that “polishing” a vanilla server concept that has been tumbled around longer than many of Blizzard’s new technical hires have been working is some massive effort.

Also, really? You’re going with code mysticism? We still wave our hands and swish wizard capes while shouting WHO KNOOOOWS THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE COOOOODES?

Come now. We’re all better than that, including you. I’ll just sweep the spooky code rhetoric under the rug and pretend it didn’t happen in literally int year = Year.now().getValue();

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This is awesome news! Really, REALLY looking forward to heading back to Azeroth.

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The first character ill make will be a classic hunter! Cant wait to have different types of ammo, unique pet stats instead of all pets the same with just a different skin, feeding my pets different food types like fruit or meat to maintain pet happiness, fun skills like eyes of the beast, traps, and mana spells back!

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Don’t forget taming other pets to learn their skills and then training your pet with those skills. I tamed Death Flayer (black scorpion with red spots) on my Hunter and kept him with me until I stopped playing in Cata. I look forward to recreating my Troll Hunter Engineer in the Classic era! Oh wow, Eyes of the Beast! I forgot about that one. :)

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I still have my original vanilla alliance hunter parked on kul trias at lvl 56, never felt right deleting or moving him and apart from the occasional login he has not been played in 11 years, would be so good if I could transfer him lol

He still has his ammo pouch with bullets.

But I suspect he is trapped for eternity in his retail hell

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Cosmic Cleric

As far as what post Vaniila changes would be added back to these new servers, will I get my pre-Legion disc priest class back? /please

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Michael18

They should go for pure classic, maybe with some bug fixes and minor tuning of the path finding ai (esp. for pets) as the better pservers are doing it.

If they add in a lot of modern stuff this WoW Classic will appeal neither to classic fans nor those who prefer today’s WoW.

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Could it be that “Classic” isn’t Vanilla at all, but a full version of retail, except with “Classic” design elements (no group finder, class interdependence, attunements, resistances, proper weather effects, etc…) implemented?

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He said Vanilla in the presentation and I just don’t think they want to use the word vanilla due to the last few years.

I am torn on updated visuals and character models, I am really 50/50 on this and worried it would lose something if they went all the way and updated the visual’s to today’s standards.

But then part of me says maybe….

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If this goes well, would love to see it develop differently than doing outland and flight.

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Utakata

I am curious now, since they a planning to make this a, “…separate game with its own dedicated team”, whether they will be charging this as a separate game? I really hope not.

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Denice J. Cook

I can see why you might feel that way (if you want to play both), but for someone like me, I would never play Facebook WoW even if it was free. I would gladly pay $15 a month for classic code vanilla WoW, because it’s the only WoW I’m interested in.

Still, it will probably boil down to how many classic servers they launch with. If it’s only 3-6 servers, they’re going to charge $15 a month, because everyone will want to try it if it’s free, and those servers will crash and burn big time.

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I’ll be happy to pay a sub for it and regain all the elements that they have removed over the years. And I look forward to seeing old Anderhol with the walls back up!

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I don’t think they decided on it yet but my guess would be access to it part of a standard sub. This allows access to the main retail game (if owned) and Classic for current sub owners. New subscribers can view it as the game for $15 and 1 month free. They could charge for the client I suppose (their Classic client will likely become proprietary I’m guessing) but this only restricts access and over time the sub surge is the better money.

I’m hoping they keep the Classic experienced closed to cash shop influences and likely will. This still allows Wow tokens to be used in live retail to obtain sub access to Classic however to facilitate the current player base.

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Utakata

I will certainy hope so.

As for the cash shop, I believe it is their intention that these servers will be a “blank slate”. That is, all the account stuff will not be allowed to affect these servers in any way, shape or form if they can do that. This would likely include stuff acquire through the cash shop.

So if one wants to use a pet they purchased on the Blizz Store for example, they’ll have to roll something on the normal servers. As I also assume acquiring pets and mounts on the Vanilla server will take up inventory space…as that’s how it was in Vanilla. /back in the day :)

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Dreema

I’ll pay for it and I bet most classic fans would as well.

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Erik Heinze-Milne

Is anyone really surprised by this? This is pretty much Blizzard’s signature move at this point. Get all pissy and throw a temper tantrum about not doing something people are clamoring for, then a few months down the road turn around and do it even though it’s going to be a “massive effort”. They’ll throw in some passive aggressive BS to make themselves feel better about caving, all while crowing about how they are totally “listening to the community”.

End result is players getting what they asked for, but not what they wanted as Blizzard sucked all the joy out of it in retribution for making it necessary in the first place.

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Slaasher

LMAO. I fully defend your right to have your opinions and certainly you have the right to voice them how you wish but I’m sorry I had to laugh at how angry you are over this. They’re giving people what they want and you’re so angry about it.
I have to believe that this was a major strategic change for this company (a whole new staff and marketing focus etc) and not without some pretty major risks (messing with the title that put them on the map). This is a change in direction of this major title that shouldn’t have been made lightly.
Lighten up I say

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Erik Heinze-Milne

Not really angry, just annoyed that people act like this is a surprise when it’s actually par for the course for Blizzard. If I’m angry at anything, it’s at peoples gullibility to keep falling for this stuff.

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silverlock

I wonder if they will be using the new character models or the old ones.

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A Dad Supreme

New models and probably all of the new races and classes, if going by EQ2 progression servers are any indication.

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Tamanous

That goes against all that they are saying though. It sounds like it will be much more like how private servers are running it.

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Michael18

Can you really compare it to EQ2? Afaik EQ2’s progression servers are mainly today’s client & server tech, just with some content and newer mechanics being locked off / hidden away.

It’s also hard to compare EQ2 and WoW because EQ2 wasn’t changed as drastically as WoW over the years.

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Doubleplusgood

I really hope you are wrong. It would completely ruin the classic experience if they use the new models.
I still miss how my characters used to look. Especially my female gnome. So awful what they did to gnome faces. And female dwarves, and well, almost every race.

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Hmm I’m not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I totally agree with what your5e saying but on the other I would rather have the modernized graphics of today combined with the gameplay style of vanilla.
I’m pretty sure that this is part of the major difficulties that they are talking about.
I’m afraid that they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

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Sorenthaz

I imagine they’ll just be looking to do the simplest solution which is to recover old patches and integrate it with new server tech + Battle.net. Possibly find ways to connect it to WoW in the sense that doing things in Classic could net you stuff in present.

It’d probably be a huge effort to try and shove the new models into the game, and if they did that then the world environment by contrast would look stupidly outdated because it very much is. The Vanilla world is MUCH more stretched out compared to the Cataclysm one. It was purposely designed to be lengthier.

Another issue they’ll run into is probably mod support, and then they also have to decide on the progression rate of the server in terms of whether or not they’ll just throw everyone in at the tail-end of Vanilla or if they’ll wind it back to where you’ll still have stuff like the Ahn Qiraj War Effort and the first Scourge Invasion.

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mourasaint

You can just toggle it off, babe.

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Doubleplusgood

I remember something about the toggle being removed?

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mourasaint

…only to be added again in Classic, I would wager.

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Loopy

The amount of hating towards something that doesn’t affect them in no way, shape, or form is absolutely mind-boggling to me. To be so invested and passionate in pointing out what is wrong with the classic WoW, and how none of us will really enjoy it – what is the end goal here?

Piece of advice for everyone being so hateful – live and let live. Nobody is forcing you to play classic, and it’s clear that it will not detract from rest of live WoW.

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Rumm

Or – and hear me out because this is pretty groundbreaking – we’re sharing our opinions on Vanilla WoW on a website dedicated to discussing MMOs. The end goal? Voicing my thoughts to a community with similar interests in the genre, pessimistic as they may be.

If you want to live in an echo chamber, join a discord with friends and ban anyone with a different opinion.

Edit for further musings: The difference between myself and people who are excited for Classic WoW – I look forward to new content, new features, new mobs, new zones. Pushing the genre forward. The things that WoW has shedded over the years (hunters required to haul around arrows, bags full of superfluous reagents, paying gold to switch specs) have been abandoned for very good reasons. To look back on those features longingly truly befuddles me, and makes me think that these players either don’t remember how tedious Vanilla was, or they never played it and are in for a rude awakening.

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Yep, once they get back into it and remember the pain it will change :)

A lot of classic games I miss hugely, and some get a reboot and I go back to them and go “oh its not quite how it was in my memory”

But you must always remember, if you think WoW classic is a waste of time, you are an asshole, that is just a pure fact on MOP

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Bhima Jenkins

I have quite a bit of nostalgia for vanilla WoW, but the vast majority of changes to the game at present are absolutely better than what Vanilla subjected us to.

I’d rather they do a BC or WotLK server (cross server BGs, time limit on WSG). But hey, if there are enough die-hards that want to try and get 40 people together to do MC again–more power to them. I know that, at my current stage in life, there is no way I have the time to do that again like I did when WoW first came out in 2004.

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” The things that WoW has shedded over the years (hunters required to haul around arrows, bags full of superfluous reagents,”. I played it from day one and the loss of those things, and totems and so many other “bothersome” things like leveling weapon skills is what made me fall away from the game over time. For me it is just too boring without them.

It’s fine that you don’t understand that we enjoy different things. Diversity is part of humanities greatness.

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Loopy

Voicing thoughts is one thing. Actively cheering against something is different. Example:

“Yeah i have no interest in this. But whoever does, hope you enjoy it” – positive, non-argumentative opinion.
“A vocal, entitled minority gets their way with this.” – negative, argumentative, mean-spirited criticism.

See the difference? It’s not about an echo chamber, it’s akin to showing up to a meeting and saying “you are all wrong for being here”.

You know what i do about articles that i have no interest in, or articles that simply don’t apply to me? I don’t comment there. What overall benefit to the community would i add by shitting over something that simply doesn’t concern me? Just so i can voice an opinion? That sounds pretty selfish to me – thinking that everyone must know what i think, no matter how negative it may be.

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Rumm

I like this thing, therefore you can’t be negative towards it. I know I’m abrasive in my comments; it is intentional, and usually sparks conversation.

You know what i do about articles that i have no interest in, or articles that simply don’t apply to me? I don’t comment there. What overall benefit to the community would i add by shitting over something that simply doesn’t concern me?

I couldn’t disagree with this sentiment more. What benefit would you provide by voicing your opinion against something? Every benefit imaginable. You’re clearly articulate and capable of taking a stance on something. If every single comment section on this website did nothing but praise the topic at hand and shunned criticism, I would have stopped coming here years ago. There’s not really a nice way to say that I think people excited for this are fools soaked in nostalgia juices, so it has to come out as a negative statement.

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If they dont like it, no1 should, did you not hear?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

The amount of people who for some reason care about what other people dislike (or “hate” – whatever adjective you prefer to use) “is absolutely mind-boggling to me” ;)

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Loopy

So what you’re saying is that it’s ok to vocally hate/dislike something and spread negativity, but it’s cynical to respond to that hate?

See, the difference is that somebody comes here and says “lol vanilla, what a waste of money/energy/resources, it’s not gonna work, whiners won, blah blah”, and me saying “why are you hating on it?”. If you can’t see that delineation, then i’m not sure what else i can tell ya.

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Loopy, the issue is some folks think their “honesty” has to be given at all times or the world would perish. Goes along with elitism.

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(Kinda like your Star Citizen posts, eh Estranged?)

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Rumm, nah, I’m a low rent backer having a discussion.

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Jeremiah Wagner

Oh thank god , please release before I get old and die. :)

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A Dad Supreme

*saw a few of these comments splattered around, figured it best to reply here instead

re: People having limited tank/healer etc choices and getting bored

I don’t think that will happen. The tank/healer classes won’t be as limited as you guys think. The thing Blizzard has now is hindsight; they can see that was a problem then but now they have more classes/races to give people choices.

If Blizzard does it the way Daybreak did, they will allow every new race/class that exists in the game now to be in Classic. They won’t have all of the starting areas like EQ2, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Draenai, Blood Elves, Death Knights, etc are able to be rolled with adjusted specs.

It works in EQ2 progression and if a company like Daybreak with half the resources and ideas could figure it out, I have no doubt Blizzard can too.

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Ehh, we aren’t getting DKs as that is a pretty integral part of the story to WotLK. Hopefully we will get cross faction classes (ie: Horde get Pallies, Alliance get Shamans) and cross server BGs. Also a few class balances would be good and then its ready to go.

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Sorenthaz

It really depends on how Blizzard goes about this. If they want a perfect emulation then we’ll simply get what the emulators do, but with much more reliability and Battle.net integration. If they want to go above and beyond then yeah we might see the other stuff but I’m wondering if they’ll really take the time to do that or not.

Demon Hunters might also break the game unless they get their mobility options gutted, and in general the whole talent tree system is part of the Vanilla package yet bringing in new classes would require them to either keep the present system or fudge up new stuff for it.

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peor togs

I can see them tuning some healers and tanks and DPS specs, but I don’t see them adding exodar, death knights and the like… too far off the original.

Makes me excited to see how they polish things.

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Doubleplusgood

No, I am very certain that they will not allow blood elves, and especially pandas on a classic server. There is way to much hate for those races. And classes like death knights. The classic fans only want the original races and it sounds like that is what they will do.

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Denice J. Cook

Classic Vanilla only, please. All this “inject Facebook WoW graphics/cross-classes/etc. ” is b.s. If I wanted neutered preschool classes and the rest I would play Facebook WoW.

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TheDonDude

But then won’t people complain that it isn’t the true vanilla experience?

There’s no way to make everybody happy, no matter what level of modernization they choose.

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A Dad Supreme

But then won’t people complain that it isn’t the true vanilla experience?

No, not really. Or that many that actually matter.

On the EQ2 progression servers, you don’t see anyone complaining, or at least groups of people. Most seem to like having the option to roll new classes/races not available at Vanilla during the classic server. I saw so many Beastlords, Channelers, etc running around it wasn’t funny.

The odd thing was Daybreak actually OP’ed a vanilla class originally (I forget which one; I think it was Illusionists) and people complained about that more than anything else.

Sure there isn’t a way to make everyone happy, but that’s not (nor should it ever be) the goal of a company. That’s a marketing lie but should never be the focus.

For perspective, check this thread out before they launched: https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq2/index.php?threads/beastlords-on-fallen-gate.579246/

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I hope that they do NOT bring in any of the newer races or classes.

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Vanilla WoW was in such rough shape though that it’s going to be tough to find that balance between new stuff and the original experience.

Class + races might be easier, though, since it doesn’t make a huge difference what your race is in WoW.

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“Class + races might be easier, though, since it doesn’t make a huge difference what your race is in WoW.”

Did you forget the racial traits from vanilla? Humans had a 10% boost to reputation, Troll Berserking and regen, Orc BloodFury and 25% Stun Resist, Dwarf Stoneform, Gnomes had +5% Int, and of course, Will of the Forsaken, baby!

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Bannex

Welcome back all you former wow haters. I’d like to say we missed you but pffttttttttttttttt.

Guess what, still no lootboxes. Weird.

You can post your apologies below, I’ll be sure to forward them on to blizzard

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Lootboxes will always be unlocked by your friendly neighborhood Gnome Rouges in underwear on that span bridge between AH and The Bank in Iron Forge. /back in the day

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Stoked about 1-60. Still…
1.please make summoning stones work
2. Macros from 2.4.3, not vanilla scripting
3. Maybe make some of the specializations work a bit better/tune them?

Please!

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That “Still …” is why J Allen said he was nervous when he announced vanilla. Blizzard wants to file down some of the rough edges, but still give players the “vanilla experience”. How about better scripting? Which of the gameplay-destroying exploits should found post-vanilla should they patch – all of them, or just the ones the players don’t like? LFG? Or just throw a copy of the 1.12 server onto a blade and calling it a day? What constitutes fixing gameplay problems vs. taking away the vanilla experience? They’re going to piss off a portion of the playerbase no matter what specifics they go with (not that I care – they’ve got my money on day 1).

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Oh I get it. Will happily play regardless just would like to see some tuning.

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A Dad Supreme

I’m sure they studied EQ2 progression servers a ton over the past couple of years. Blizzard has had the luxury to see what doesn’t work (EQ2’s first locked progression server by ‘player vote’) and what does (EQ2’s second locked progression served by ‘time’).

Blizzard would have also noted that hardly no one (if any) complained that new races like Fae/Freeblood/Aerakyn and classes like Beastlord/Channeler were in the “vanilla” portion of the game, able to tank, heal and dps along with the old original ones. Seriously, I saw very little complaining that new options ruined immersion or that they had an unfair advantage.

Blizzard was doing what it does best: watching someone else do something and taking notes, marking mistakes and successes.

They probably will piss off purists, but the vast majority of the players will welcome the chance to roll a Blood Elf in a classic setting, even if it means their home race/quests aren’t available yet (they get released weeks/months later), or a Worgen Death Knight.

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A Dad Supreme

“3. Maybe make some of the specializations work a bit better/tune them?”

As someone who has played progression EQ2 on official Daybreak servers, I can assure you that this is something Blizzard has already figured out and will address.

Daybreak has allowed every single race and class that they have on their “classic” servers. The result? People play the class they like, not the class they feel they have to play because this won’t get picked or that won’t.

The progression allows for each expansion to unlock and then more skills get added, slowly bringing each class up to the proper strength they have on original servers. Initially some classes were overtweaked and some under, but Daybreak quickly fixed that.

I really can’t see Blizzard doing worse than Daybreak and Daybreak has actually handled their progression server issues pretty well for the most part.

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Sorenthaz

The issue though is that classes in Vanilla are drastically different from classes even several expansions ago. Certain skills and abilities simply aren’t designed with the old Vanilla stuff in mind.

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Armsbend

The thing I don’t see working for Classic is the fact that there won’t be a possibility of anything new in the future – if it truly does stay in a stasis. One of the main reasons I play MMOs is the promise of new content. Knowing exactly what that content is – and the fact you may not ever get it – would be a complete turn off for me and I assume many, many others.

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Sorenthaz

They could do what Runescape Classic does and just add new content onto the old stuff. There’s actually a lot that they could add to the Vanilla experience.

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I’m hoping for optional transfers at level cap to expansion servers. That way, you can stop at your favorite period of WoW. Probably won’t happen.

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I’d be surprised if Blizz brought up classic on w/e patch they deemed best and just left it. I think it will be more horizontal progression and I bet they make balance changes as well. I don’t think it’ll ever see truly new content but it’s possible. I am thinking they could almost build “alternate” timeline with horizontal progression based rather than vertical.

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Slaasher

I had given thought to an alternate timeline as well. Start taking the story in a completely different direction. It would be very cool.

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Doubleplusgood

Well it does say “Blizzard is treating this as a separate game with its own dedicated team.” and “we’re in the WoW Classic business forever” so maybe they will make new content, but in a classic setting? Otherwise, besides maintenance and balance changes, what else will the team do?

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I’d be surprised if Blizz brought up classic on w/e patch they deemed best and just left it.

Funny, I’d be more surprised if they did anything else, given that this is more or less exactly what people are asking for and what they’re promising to deliver. Classic means classic.

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I’d argue patch day is just as “Classic” as it is modern today. I just don’t see them leaving things as chaotic as they were. That’s not to say they wont stay true to classic, but balance and tweaks were heavily needed at the end of vanilla. I don’t think it would take away from what it is. At the end of the day, the classic feeling is the Immersiveness Vanilla brought with it as well as class customization even if it was sub-par hybrids. Free of the bloat and crutches that are free skills, dungeon finder, and scaling.

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Dread Quixadhal

Imagine, if you will, the idea of a vanilla WoW game using the modern client and the enhanced graphics assets from Cataclysm (not the pixels-as-big-as-your-head ones from 2004).

Now, what if this actually was really popular and STAYED popular? As in a million or more subscribers playing it instead of (or in addition to) the current WoW?

Since this will be run be a separate team, it’s entirely possible for the game to be developed in parallel, rather than just running vanilla and never moving past that point. We might see the dishonor system actually implemented as described in the paper manual. We might see new raids or dungeons that fit the style and difficulty of the original game, rather than the gradual softening that happened after BC.

Activiaion/Blizzard wants to make money. If the legacy servers somehow make even 20% as much as the live servers, you can bet more resources will be thrown at it, and we might see a branched storyline that goes in a different direction than the main servers did.

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Housing!

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A Dad Supreme

This is my thought.

After playing EQ2 progression and seeing how Daybreak incorporated things from now (classes/races/balance changes/graphic upgrades, etc) but presented it in a “classic” form with game rule restrictions and time-released expansions/updates, I can see how WoW could be rolled all over again with millions of new subs.

Think about the people you know that never played WoW but always felt it was “too late” because they were playing something else combined with the millions that miss the Vanilla life and you can easily see it will get as many people as a modern MMO releasing brand new.

The one thing MMO makers/players say is “The game isn’t finished yet, give it a break”. Now Blizzard will actually be able to have a ‘finished MMO’ that will release perfect expansions each and every time.

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Maggie May

As someone who played for the first time several years ago, I found the new player experience to be a shallow mishmash of areas that had once been more important but had “moved on” as every expansion had fundamentally changed things. I would be interested in playing a game that still feels relevant at lower levels.

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A Dad Supreme

As many millions that have played WoW already, there are still billions that haven’t but have long since heard of it.

A classic WoW server would give a lot of people who have never experienced what is considered the best part of WoW (Vanilla) before everything went jumping sharks. This is especially key now because there have been somewhat of an MMO graveyard over the last decade overall.

We do know that this server will be jam-packed on Day 1. That much we know from how even a mediocre game like Everquest II’s retro servers always started… tons of interest, lines and excitement. No doubt Blizzard will change a few of the mistakes they wish they could have known 14 years later just as EQ2 did. (allowing new races/classes to be included in “classic” servers giving people more choices)

Will Blizzard be able to re-create the feeling people had before while successfully incorporating the potential new players who always said they missed out and wish they didn’t?

Only time will tell.

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Dreema

I’ve been waiting for this for years. Sure, I’ve played classic on private servers on and off for around five years, but there’s always the problem there of the server getting shut down by Blizzard or the people in charge just giving up. I’ve had that happen to me quite often and it’s always a pain when it does because you lose all that nice progression and people you’ve met, etc. Being able to play classic without fear of the server disappearing one day is a dream come true.

So yes I’m really excited about this. The new expansion doesn’t interest me at all and I’ll probably only play it if a subscription to the new expansion is required in order to play classic.

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I hope a warcraft sub allows you to play either game as much or little as you’d like. If it does I plan on rolling one myself just to see what it was all about when it first came out.

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Xshinobi

I’m really hyped for this. Some of my fondest gaming memories are tied to vanilla WoW.

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It’s funny seeing all the exact same bitching about the Classic announcement that there was about OSRS. All the same naysaying prattle went on and on for years as players asked for OSRS over and over, and even more so after it was announced that it would happen.

Until it launched. Now it’s more popular than regular retail.

WoW Classic is unlikely to overtake regular WoW retail for the same reasons that WoW only got huge well after Vanilla, not right at the start. The formula that made WoW a 12-million player game was very different from what they started with, and it’s that formula, and iterating on it in the main retail product, that is what the huge numbers of Cata / Wrath and later era players who are still around still want. That’s unlikely to change any time soon.

However, WoW Classic will be, in absolute numbers, even bigger than OSRS was, and it will be sustainably bigger because there are so many people out there who have wanted this for ages and haven’t had any place to get it. The numbers are bigger than even Nostalrius’s peak suggests, because a ton of people who want Vanilla WoW back did not want it bad enough to put up with the idiocy of private servers, but will jump back in to an official server in a hot second. These are the people who haven’t played WoW at all for years, but who will be thrilled to come back just for Classic.

And for those bitching about “taking away resources”; Brack said in the Eurogamer interview the resources it will take from regular retail are exactly zero. They’re hiring a whole new team to do Vanilla, and to do it right, to Blizzard’s standards of polish and support, and they’re treating it as an entirely separate game, which will run alongside regular retail, with its own team that is responsible for making it happen by themselves.

This is exactly how Jagex did it with OSRS, and it worked famously well for them, and more than pays its own way (in fact at this point, if anything, OSRS is arguably subsidizing and propping up regular retail).

If you weren’t convinced of this by Nostalrius and how deeply loved and sadly missed it was by so many people, take a look at the top list for /r/wow today: The Classic announcement is the most upvoted thread of all time there, and has more than twice the upvotes of the next closest thread. This is not something that is loved a little by a few; it is freaking huge.

And as Brack said, before they decided to do this, they knew that they needed to do it right, and people need to know it is here to stay. He promised it is, regardless of how heavily it is played, whether it’s by hundreds of thousands or just a few hundred; it is something that he said will be around for as long as WoW is a thing.

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Jeremiah Wagner

” The formula that made WoW a 12-million player game ” Is WAY closer to Vanilla then it is to the current formula.

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Chris Walker

Meh. I believe that WoW’s original popularity was because of its timing and lack of mainstream MMO competitors. Vanilla WoW, while somewhat revolutionary at the time, compared to today’s MMOs its mechanics are quite outdated.

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Tamanous

Almost nothing was revolutionary about Wow when it launched. Blizzard did exactly what it does today: Copy someone else and polish it beyond the ability of anyone else.

You are mistaken and time will show how. The addons nearly all private server players use (the same ones created for vanilla retail) make the game play virtually the same as most modern mmos. Also, fps style mmo game play is not an advancement (if that is your implication) … it is merely different. Few mmos today have as many abilities to manage as early Wow did. It is this very game play that the players like because it suits the type of mmo early wow perfected.

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“WoW Classic is unlikely to overtake regular WoW retail”

I doubt that’s the goal do you? If they approached even a million subs past say month 3 I’d think they’d consider it an enormous success. I would.

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No addons, no quest helper, no dungeon finder, no… mln other stuff:)

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There were add-ons in vanilla though, and even a quest helper-though very basic.

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Yep! I still use the CT_Mod package…which was addons developed back in Vanilla, I believe.

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Yep! Many addons still around today got their start in early Vanila.

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I thought my days with World of Warcraft were long over but I will certainly be trying this out when they re-release it.
I must admit I do miss the original WoW and I’m very glad they’re going right back to their roots. It’ll be interesting to see how they do this, whether they follow the original patch cadence or if they make all of vanilla’s content available from the start.

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Turn the weather back on, please.

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It’s on private servers and they even can be adjusted to be better graphics than when vanilla launched. Weather is damn intense to be honest.

I am hoping the console driven graphics increase becomes part of the new launch as hardware today can easily handle it.

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I do expect something of a rush when it opens. But I also expect within a couple months at most, 90% or more of those people will have moved on. I hope they’ve got contingencies for both.

In any case, I’ll probably give this a go once it’s out but I doubt I’ll stick around long term. I really loved vanilla WoW but I also played the death out of it already. For whatever faults I can find with changes they have made over the years, new content does have the advantage of being, well, new…

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Jeremiah Wagner

I hate current retail WoW,but I will be playing this and for alot more then a couple months since it will probably take me much longer then that just to hit max level. People want vanilla because of the community it creates. Although at some point Blizz may need to release an xpac or consider taking the game in a different direction then they did originally. Making the game easier especially for solo play becomes a game killer quick.

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This is my dream scenario. Blizzard creating a separate fork of WoW that progresses from vanilla in an entirely different direction from what current live WoW did. Yes, there’s some legitimate issues that would need to be addressed, such as Warriors being the only viable tanks, but I would love to see how WoW would have turned out if they had continued developing it without overly casualizing every aspect of it. If they do this, however, it would, IMO, be entire orders of magnitude more shocking than announcing the Classic servers was. (And to be clear, I in no way hate current retail WoW, but I definitely would have preferred to see it evolve differently in many ways.)

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You may find that by getting people to play wow again after years of not playing – they may find their way back to retail wow. My guess is that was a major reason for blizz tackling this.

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50/50% I think you will see a drop off with the younger generation who want to experience it, but in the end you will end up with a good population of the people who played vanilla and miss it.

Having played vanilla for the last few months they is something magical about it that just pulls you in, its hard to describe but it just feels like you are home.

The main issue has been people just don’t stay or even try because of the drama involved in all these hooky servers with corrupt admins, now blizzard are doing it I think they will get stable populations and in large numbers.

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Jeremiah Wagner

The “Home” feeling comes from having to work for every little thing you get. Having to make sure you don’t leave town without food, water, potions, fishing pole , etc. Its from helping each other out when you are out in the world and need buffs and heals from adventures that happen to come by. Theres still alot of other reasons for the “Home” felling , needless to say that is by far the biggest reason people want it back

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mourasaint

You’re roundly mistaken.

In fact there isn’t a doubt on my mind that Classic’s popularity will overtake Retail’s in a little less than a year.

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thalendor

This is something I wish would be true as it would likely be a shockwave that changes the direction of MMOs if WoW Classic somehow maintained a popularity advantage over the modern version of the game. That said, I stand by my original prediction.

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April-Rain

I really do think they is a possibility of this occurring, I have continued to play over the years but a lot of people I know moved on a long time ago due to the game’s direction.

Having had a quick chat this morning with the majority of which have all made clear they are as stoked as me and coming back for classic!

As a whole I think it will be pushing blizzard back up and over the 10 million mark.

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Rumm

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

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mourasaint

Print screened for future humiliation.

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Rumm

If you think that a rerelease of a 2004 game will have more than 4-5 million players, I have a bridge to sell you.

I have no doubt that a lot of people (read: rose-colored glasses wearing fools) will play Classic. Maybe even in the 1 million player range. I also have no doubt that probably 90% of those people won’t be playing a month later once they realize how far the game has come in terms of features, convenience, balance, and visuals.

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zeko_rena

Careful Rumm, YOU HAVE BEEN PRINT SCREENED!

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Estranged

You are forgetting the churn that occurred due to Cata and a further mutilation of classes and social game mechanics.

Also, many WoW players just play WoW. They don’t jump to other MMOs.

I know several people that won’t touch another MMO product and have left MMO gaming.

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mourasaint

Very few people are attracted by “convenience”. They’re attracted by immersive, escapist fantasies which Vanilla was, and retail certainly isn’t.

Also the enhanced visuals (character models) are likely to be an option in Classic.

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teh evilengineer

oh they are going to love not being able to afford their regents, non-existent mana regen, expensive ineffective regen consumables, no summoning stones, the original hybrid tax, entire classes being only viable for single raid encounter for the raiding elite. There are reasons WoW exploded in popularity years after vanilla was long dead.

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mourasaint

Yes, they will.

And you’re going to hate when a great number of those Classic design philosophies are inevitably adopted by Retail.

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thalendor

It’s inaccurate to say WoW exploded in popularity after Vanilla was long dead. WoW began it’s meteoric rise right from the beginning of vanilla and never truly plateaued until Wrath of the Lich King.

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mourasaint

…and it happened just as instaport group finder was added into the game.

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Paarthurnax Dragonhearth

You sheep know this will release in 2 years right …. Have fun playin’ a 2004 game in 2020 or 2019 … Sad

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April-Rain

I still play classic games from the 90’s, why because they are classics and should not be forgotten, the best times I had in wow are still the first 2 years which was mainly vanilla.

Vanilla still holds up now and will do in 2020.

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Estranged

I have a Midway classics disc that I play monthly on PS3. Centipede and the like.

These new classic Nintendo and Atari machines are selling out almost instantly.

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thalendor

90’s? Bah, you need to go truly old school! I just played Ultima III — from the 1980’s! — just a couple months ago. :-P (It was the first CRPG I played, so it holds a special place in my memory even if the 4th game gets all the glory.) Anyway, now it’s time for someone to dig up something from the 70’s…

But yeah, I played WoW constantly from ~June 2004 (I got into the beta, so that’s not a mistake/typo) into 2008 before taking my first extended break from the game. Most of that time spans vanilla, of course, and comprise many of my best gaming memories (only my time in EQ from a few years before that rivals those memories).

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I still play coin up classic’s on mame if they count as PC from the 80’s, dam I love me some paperboy, Toobin, Rolling Thunder and Shinobi!

And I do occasionally play manic miner which I still own on cassette, spectrum 48k the best pre pc computer ever and still in my loft.

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Ket Viliano

… Pong.

:P

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silverlock

I really want to play the classic server when it opens but my wife didn’t start playing till Warlords and I don’t really see her getting in to Vanilla.

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thalendor

Maybe you’ll be surprised? I convinced my girlfriend, whose first MMO was Guild Wars 2, to give EverQuest a try and, surprisingly enough, she enjoyed it. We played for a few months last spring/summer before going back to WoW to prepare for Legion’s arrival.

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Bruno Brito

I’ll give you guys some of the bullet points, take it as you will, but those will happen:

– Paladins/Shamans/Druids/Priests will be forced to heal. Their dps isn’t “competitive enough” for the rest of the dpsers.
– People will complain about Clams not stacking.
– Lack of decent horde-questing 1-30.
– Lack of decent alliance-questing lategame, for pre-dungeon-bis and Wpvp needs.
– Lacerate. Yeah. That thing.
– The optimal pvp talent spec is [Deep Engi].
– MC, Ony. Get ready for pulse, pounding and three months of cavernous cancer.
– Rank 14 grind.
– Lotus/Devilsaur farm.

I’m not saying Vanilla is bad, i’m probably playing it when releases.

I’m saying that when these issues appear, and they WILL, people will realize it’s not such a golden age afterall. But again, i’ll play this, and i’ll play a spellnhance shaman because f*ck it, if it won’t be hella fun.

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teh evilengineer

-weapon proficiency level
-double/triple drinking for mana
-wanding/ regen standing
-racial
-regent grinding
-2 party slots just for rouge and mage cc

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Estranged

Sounds awesome, let’s do it.

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If you think it’s hard to find a tank now, welcome to vanilla tanking.
I was there, I’m good.

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A Dad Supreme

I don’t think that will happen. (explained above)

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Rumm

Not to mention the fact that threat management was actually a thing. How long until people get frustrated at pulling aggro and the glorious returning community rages at the few people who decide to roll warrior (the only real tank choice in vanilla)?

Enjoy those dungeon runs sans flying and 30+ minute group formation. Hard pass.

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Chris Walker

On one hand, I’m glad Blizzard is giving a vocal minority a chance to realize their dream. On the other hand, I don’t quite understand the appeal.

I’ve played WoW since the servers were opened and experienced the 1-60 gameplay quite a bit — there is no way I’d go back. There have been so many improvements since that 2014 client / experience, reverting back to that time without those improvements I think will shock a lot of people, and not in a good way.

But hey, congratulations to the people who wanted this. At the very least, it will be a nostalgic trip. I’m also glad Blizzard will be treating it as its own game and not taking away from the “modern” version.

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mourasaint

Vanilla isn’t 2014.

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Chris Walker

Sorry, I meant 2004.

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starbuck1771

Nope it is 2004 which is worse

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Wanda Clamshuckr

Judging by the popularity of the emulators, I don’t think “vocal minority” is an accurate description. Blizz wouldn’t go to this effort to appease the wailings of a couple hundred forumites.

It’s more like they weighed the financial advantage, and it was lucrative enough to be worth the investment. That wouldn’t be a small margin either. Unless there are truckloads of money being dumped into their banks, they tend not to give small peanuts a second glance.

For myself, I will definitely sign up for this. Vanilla WoW was the only experience I enjoyed. I’m already twitching a bit thinking of my new army of alts.

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Chris Walker

I guess we’ll see. I definitely feel that it’s the minority of people (relative to WoW’s # of subscribers) who want this, so I’ll be curious what the population is after a month or so (after “reality” of the classic experience settles in). I’ll be glad to be proven wrong.

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Bryan Gregory

It’s not like people are trying to play vanilla WoW every single day for the rest of their lives. They just want the option to be there. It’s nice to go back sometimes and re-experience stuff. Just like any other game, people will play, get burnt out and bored, move on to something else, and probably eventually come back, and repeat. There’s nothing wrong with this, this is gaming. Most everyone does it.

Each time Everquest launches a new progression server, it’s by far the most populated server, until the next one launches and then people are eager to once again start all over from the beginning. If that ancient outdated low population game can keep good enough populations, why on earth would anyone think the most popular MMO in the world can’t? Besides, most of the people who want a classic era WoW server have already re-experienced it via private servers, and let me tell you – those servers are the extreme opposite of a ghost town. I’ve seen more people in one spot on a private server than I’ve ever seen on official. I was ganked and PVPed in places I NEVER PVPed on in retail. Imagine the populations when you add all the players who aren’t willing to play on a private server but still want a classic experience.

If this ends up like Everquest, doesn’t cost any extra money and is part of your normal subscription and is just another server in the server list, this is going to be a great success. Can’t wait to find out more and see how Blizzard handles this “museum” style of gaming.

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Bryan Gregory

I’m honestly really surprised, wasn’t expecting them to give in to this, at least not yet. But I’m glad. The WoW emulator community has been an absolute disgrace to the general MMO emulator community, which didn’t deserve the negative press it was getting.

I’m just wondering how true to the era they will be, and how much modern/QoL stuff will be left in.

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Bruno Brito

Agreed. I get where Blizz is coming from, but the WoW emu community is shameful.

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starbuck1771

Releasing a vanilla server gives Blizz more power to fight the illegal EMU’s.

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Yep. No more cries of “this ain’t the game I bought!”

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MesaSage

I think they’re going to be surprised by the numbers when they open the doors. I hope they’re prepared. This isn’t 2004. I’m going to wait a few days after launch until they shake out the big bugs and open additional servers.

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Hirku

I expect that since they’re declaring this a permanent part of their business, they’re going to be a lot more eager to release the krak–err, I mean the lawyers on the illegal servers.

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mourasaint

Nobody will care about illegal servers now.

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starbuck1771

Except those running them who could lose millions they don’t have.

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Indigo Salma

So that’s why they went bananas when a private server did this a few months ago and they closed it.

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Tamanous

They are doing this as the solution to private servers. They can’t shut down the big private servers and the server you are likely referring to (Nost) shut down in order to communicate to Blizzard that Classic was in demand and the majority of it’s audience on private servers wanted Blizzard to host it officially.

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Iain B

They’ve shutdown a number of vanilla servers over the years.

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