Massively Opinionated: Which MMO payment model is the best?

    
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For today’s episode of Massively Opinionated, we decided it was high time to lay some of the eternal MMO genre questions to rest, so Larry invited the cast of the Massively OP Podcast and Stream Team to take on those arguments themselves. The classic battles of MMOs as a genre take place here again, and we decide which answers are the best… right? Right?

This whole panel this week is from Massively Overpowered — specifically, the Massively OP Podcast and the OPTV Stream Team. We welcome Editor-in-Chief Bree Royce, podcast host Justin Olivetti, and MOP streamer MJ Guthrie to this special-edition not-quite-a-vidcast vidcast that ought to make the podcast fans in the audience happy!

Topics

Which MMO best represents today’s definition of an MMO? (4:31)

If you were to make an MMO today, which payment model would it have? (24:25)

Which two factions from two different MMOs would make the most interesting fight if pitted against each other? (45:08)

Build the best MMO for Massively OP readers. (55:56)

Panelists

Bree Royce
Blog: Skycandy
Twitter: nbrianna

Justin Olivetti
Blog: BioBreak
Twitter: Sypster

MJ Guthrie
Blog: Looking For Shinies
Twitter: MJ_Guthrie

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JakeDunnegan
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JakeDunnegan

solipsis JakeDunnegan Been on vacation, sorry for late reply.

I like it because you can see the entire game – all the quests, all the zones, everything – for free. Given the nature of the game, and how much the designers valued quests – they are GIVING away what they consider to be the very best parts of the game. I still don’t get why people complain so much about it. 
If you pay for a sub, you get a bonus to XP, you can get free “recalls”, you get “passes” to flashpoints and PVP – but none of those components are necessary to complete the game, do all the quests, and in fact, you can earn money in game that can buy you the things in the store that people pay a sub for. Even the expansions – EVERY SINGLE ONE – is free – just released at a later date, typically two months later than those who pay for it.
You want restrictive, F2P, go play Neverwinter. It’s far easier to use the cash shop or get expansions to bank or bag slots, for example in SW:TOR, than it is in Neverwinter. Neverwinter gets unbelievably grindy within about 3-4 weeks of play, if you want to start expanding your character, and without the benefit of interesting quest lines to follow.

HidingCat
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HidingCat

Definitely buy to play with an optional cash shop. GW2 doesn’t quite get the balance right though. Not sure about TSW, since I can’t get into it.

redtoadsage
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redtoadsage

There is no such thing as a “best” payment model. Every single one has pros and cons. It’s more about how the way they are presented and executed (honestly and ethically) than anything else.

ntellect
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ntellect

B2P with a cash show that is not obnoxious.

Paying money consistently doesn’t guarantee quality so a sub doesn’t make sense unless I could hold the developer/publisher accountable for delivering content of equal value.  And you can see that ugly to fast to easy.

teppic
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teppic

Buy to play and subscription models tend to be pretty clear and straightforward. It’s free to play that has the issues, as you have such a wide spectrum of models that go from fair to extremely exploitative.

Kanbe
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Kanbe

To each their own but I’m a huge Star Wars but I refuse to play SWOTR because I found the cash shop to be insulting. Maybe its gotten better since I’ve seen it last but it was such a huge turn off for me I wont look back.

yocraigst
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yocraigst

Subscription. Developers design the game that they want to and people will come, or leave if they don’t like it. WoW has experienced both of those ends. B2p is viable, but I don’t think the developers make enough to keep developing content unless they charge for it. F2p causes developers to design games with lots of little ways to generate cash in it, which is not necessarily a bad game, but could be and usually is.

mourasaint
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mourasaint

breetoplay mourasaint Estranged I was never clear on what Estranged’s point was in the first place.

The notion of FF being the second most popular MMO is pure conjecture on my part, based on the sizable amount of disgruntled WoW players that transitioned to FF.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

mourasaint Estranged Neither WoW nor XIV is a sub-only game; both have cash shops. These games prove Estranged ‘s point.

breetoplay
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breetoplay

No More Tears The face-rigging program would be a ton of fun and is definitely something we’re considering for our guests who are not already YouTube stars!