Star Citizens, check your hangars – the recent $0 CCU purge wiped out some valuable chassis

    
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Heads-up if you’re a Star Citizen backer: Last week’s update to the Cross Chassis Upgrade system has apparently gone awry. That’s the system that allows players to trade in the ships they’ve pledged for and pick up higher-tiered ships in their place.

According to a big thread on Reddit, CIG began a broad deletion of valueless Cross Chassis Upgrades – more commonly known as CCUs – on Friday. The mass-deletion was supposed to target CCUs that were worth $0, but eagle-eyed players realized that CIG used the ships’ current upgrade value, not their original purchase price or melt value, meaning that some folks lost CCUs they had paid for and weren’t properly reimbursed automagically.

CIG is apparently aware of the situation; last night, the studio posted, “We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. The team is investigating and we’ll provide you with an update as soon we have more information.” But you should probably keep an eye on your hangar and your ships in the meantime to make sure it’s fixed properly.

Source: Official site, Reddit. Cheers, Cotic!

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Utakata

Cross chastity upgrade now with tighter fittings? Oh m…

“Chassis, Uta! Different thing!”

…oh! O.o

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I just checked on my $1400 pledge’ worth of ship jpeg’s and they are all still there. Maybe I should print some of these out on full color glossy just to make sure..

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i had an old CCU removed that i was pretty sure i was never going to use. don’t think i paid money for it either. old mustang delta to reliant tana? i think upgrade. nbd. i don’t think the delta is my thing for the time being and i’ve got a nice tana in my fleet for my melt library.

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When the LTI Merlins went on sale for the first time (2015?), I bought 5 of them just for the insurance. With 2 left, purchasing LTI for only those ship sales that didn’t offer it. I’ve played nice the whole time. If you play in the grey, you are eventually going to get burned.

Tinfoil Hat; Plus, fuck the SA/Goons involved in that market. It’s not over. It’s far from over for them. The thought is.. if the game can’t be exploited, it will get burned to the ground.

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sa is mostly involved in teh refunds thing. there are scammers on teh grey market tho. i think the current exploits are more in line with concierge pumping than SA stuff. the people who are good at this shit in SA clearly don’t care enough about SC to do more than that really.

they did feed mr smart alot of his information which is fairly heavily embelished version of the rumours that were actually going around (or known infos), which was super annoying when that stuff was relevant but now just kind of ehh w/e. the guy is so super out of data on anything related to this game i’m surprised he stills shows up here to shit post about the game ever.

when the LTI tokens were hot shit i was pretty down on the game as i recall. but wasn’t out. 2.x was a long slog, even tho it showed some legit potential as the tech demo it was. wasn’t till 3.1 and beyond that things started getting positive enough for me in real ways instead of buttered up live demo presentations that didn’t correlate well with what i was playing on my own deskstop. at some point those went from being some shitcockery to not looking quite as fun or awesome as what i was actually playing in the game myself first hand. and for me that’s a good thing. i guess for some they’d rather have the marketting spam. YMMV.

not sure where my pledge counter is at. i think last time i spent money before the most recent i had estimated that amount would be similar to playing wow over the same period in subs and expacks, and i enjoyed this game warts and all during that period and regretted spending on it at the lowest point during that period than literally spending money at all yet again like a dumbass on wow to log in for 45 minutes to 5 hours tops and remind myself it’s not a game i am into any more even more than the last time i tried it. in the time since that estimation i’ve spent less than spending on a subscription and gotten tonnes of hours and a blast playing as well.

but my early ccu’s indicated the faultiness from my standpoint as a pay2winner miniwhale in terms of being able to melt and buy back key sales event versions of ships packages with better stuff than what i had already or ships i wanted to try out, or just ships i want in my melt list to buy later, and using my existing store credit capital in order to do most of my “shopping” with them, with that overall frame work in mind. now i’ve got a very nice buy back library for future meta changes as they pertain to the most current patch – which is what i primarily care about as someone who plays rather than daydreams on the game like i see so often. and i mean it’s fair to wait to jump in for anyone on any level. i just wish the community discourse would involve less arguments from people referencing x y and z potentially years old videos telling people who play how things allegedly “are”. i mean could be worse, could be basing one’s perception of the game on videos made by the handful of would be influencers out there doing w/e it is they’re doing in relation to the game.

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I bought one more after 3.x was released, only because the Vulcan is the service ship I had been waiting for. Its tempting to buy more (land claim beacon again pls) but no. Game play loops dammit, give us game play loops. I need to learn the flight model early but I’m terrible an engagements. Put a rifle in my hand or tell me to go man a station aboard a multi-crew and I do fine. Funny because I put the game down just as you were beginning to pick it up. Sure, tours through Loreville and the occasional Widow run but ffs, I’m still waiting for the breakout Citcon where they say, “We’re finally closing in on a game. Here’s lots of occupational shit to do. Here’s 5 more systems nearly complete, here’s what Jump Points do. Now go break shit so we can see what happens.”

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in 33 through 34 pvp was hot as nails especially as junptown became better known. it was alot of fun getting into that and having epic fights, even if literally all the non trading content was bugged adn trading was iffy due to server stability. we’d go farm bounties and pvp over the brain dead ships or at least race each other to em and make our money for w/e we felt like spending on. and then do w/e random special events there might be of interest. or doing the hurston bunker/spk fps missions. depended on how much you wanted to risk getting mucked up in pvp – not that hurston was by any means pvp free – and often quest gen points multiple players to the same locations there.

in 35… combat has been borked for most of it but it’s still fun fighting the not amazing but finally working pu ai with some auto gimbals. missiles worked for a hot minute and it was amazing. flight model 2.0 is not everyone’s cup of tea but feels good to me so far and looking forward to the “direction” as it were. otherwise delivery missiosn are a nice way to spend a relaxing evening space trucking to some dank tunes these days, and legit reliable.

***the current hotfix 999 patch is …. definitely not that pleasant and i am avoidign the game because of it until the next hotfix or .1 patch***

i am trying to do less random murdering but when i do the basis feels good even if the bugs are frustrating. it feels like once the bugs are sorted with fixed weapons and whatnot it’s gonna feel great, tuning of auto gimbals to be able to hit arrows notwithstanding (and perhaps bringing the warden more in to reason). crim system is looking pretty good in the current iteration and looking forward to seeing more crim/law stuff come in. my most recent murder spree having uee police ships show up and intercept me specifically was lit af fam. seeing npc hammies flying around disturbing everyone’s day at grimhex is awesome too.

just in general i cook up an idea of what i want to make a video of, and then w/e ends up happening in game ends up happening i do that instead usually :D but usually there’s a nice mix of emergence and doing the specific tasks i set out to do that day, and with experience i’ve learned what and where my activities are more likely to draw unwanted (or as the often is for me , wanted) attention and hostilities. wether it’s i want to show a complete single mission delivery run in x ship or want to show off the combat prowess or lack there of of another, or simply want to get some reproducables on video.

the past couple days i have had freelancer on my mind due to people seemingly being confused about what to expect in a chris roberts space game, and i was just considering that all and all sc right now is almost like a modern vanilla freelancer in it’s last patch state (not exactly but if you spent time in freelancer online mode over the years you know what i mean maybe i hope). maybe even better. not necessarily more content but maybe not necessarily less either along certain lines.

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circling back to the bit about spending habits – i did my big whaling during the multi month long ptu from 33 into 335. had some money come in and was extremely happy with what was happening with the game on my desktop at that time and wanted some dank luxury and pay2win ships.

my initial choices were not super pleasing but luckily they have the melt and credit system (bring it also back to topical relevancy here) which i can just use my credit to buy ships on sale and wether i like em or not if i want something else i can choose to melt them again adding them to my buy back list and options for out of season purchaseables when the mood strikes (as well as one store credit buy back per quarter is my understanding- iwasted this quarter’s right after the reset for my 85x, which i don’t regret cuz i really like scuttle butting between ollisar and my home of grimhex in her, but i really also want a warden and definitely do not want to spend $250 of new money on the game any time soon enough to to get the out of season sale option i have in my buybacks.

for me the melt credit buy back triangle of store features makes spending a bit more viable and a bit more here and now focused rather than spending money on shit that might not be playable for years to come – and it’s not that i don’t necessarily pick up concept items (i have a mercury star runner or two in my buy backs lol) it’s just that even when i do i can melt it, and drop that money into a ship that i’m going actually fly right now (plus what ever associated loaners that often come with)

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NeoWolf

I only have the Aurora unlike many people that fell for the marketing and dropped serious dime on buying ships that you will be able to earn ALL of simply by playing the game when it s ready, I kept my head lol

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you can buy a pretty good selection of the flyable ships in game now for credits earned in game. they just wipe with most patches. it’s fairly easy to earn ships in 35, not withstanding the current hotfix crappiness.

and the aurora is a fantastic money maker in 35 up to this point, again hotfix shit aside.

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oh there’s supposed to be a rental system coming in the next milestone in the summer. i guess we’ll see if that makes it in. i don’tlike to worry about that too far forward cuz stuff always misses the dates.

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A Dad Supreme

This company is run like Tesla.

Unorganized, chicken-with-head-off precision, big promises, confusion among customers, statements of one thing from the company that actually turns into another… Funny thing though, a Tesla is a very good car that overcomes it’s organizational dis-function which it’s customers are able to overlook because of it.

I’m far from ready to put Star Citizen in that category just yet, so I think I’ll keep waiting for an official launch and let them get this kind of stuff ironed out.

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Melissa McDonald

will Tesla the company even exist by the time the warranty expires? that’s my worry.

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Paragon Lost

A great on the mark comparison ADS. Also the stance I’ve taken with SC, I want it to succeed and launch so I can play but until then they get no money from me.

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Joe Blobers

I jump in anytime with a guy who transform a 210M$ pledges to a valuation made by Independent Auditors of +460M$ 6 and half after, all from scratch.

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silverlock

It’s not like I have a listing of ships I could check if I wanted to.
FYI this is not sarcasm their is no ship list that I know of just pledges and rewards.

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Fervor Bliss

What would happen if Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz ran a video game company?

More popcorn, please.

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Greaterdivinity

automagically

I like this word.

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It’s how everything in tech works :-)

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i am waiting for people to act like this isn’t usual monday morning johnson borked the script again webstore dev dept stuff.

but automagical is very very high end tech parlance for sure. #ifpatchnotesreflectedthecompilingtimefatchewingtalk

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A Dad Supreme

It’s also where kids today think milk, eggs, meat and other food products come from.

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Utakata

…because wizards did it? o.O

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Armsman

The better Tech term is: HPFM. ;)

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to see your own log of these removals, here’s some instructions courtesy of blaznetic on the subreddit discord. for those of you unwilling to sift through reddit comment sections.

idk how to determine if your pledges did have value or not based on this. i guess you would have to remember if they did or not.

that’s definitely the wrong picture. will try again

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they should have internal records of which ccu’s you spent money on tho, as well as your own logs and reciepts for the original purchase of the CCU.

these guys really love their invoiced for everything so shouldn’t be that dificult to generate an appropriate script to sort things out.

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also this doesn’t affect anyone but those with unspent CCU items on their hangar lists.

basically if you just bought regular package/ship type stuff instead of doing the weird ship upgrade thing, you are not even potentially affected at all, and this doesn’t apply to you.

if it does apply to you, again, remember them invoices, wait for them to sort it out, then match with your own records and invoices from the purchases.

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Alex Willis

Can someone who is in the know break this down for someone who is not…”involved”…in SC alpha activities? I have pledged/funded the game, and bought an extra ship on top of that. I have literally never played the game in its current state and have not traded anything. Does this affect me?

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no.

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ichi sakari

got a while? if so, read on, if not, then relax, this won’t really affect very much

they provided a way to change one ship to another – the cross chassis upgrade (CCU), useful since ship stats constantly change this allow players to swap out

So if I have an Aurora and want to make it an Avenger I purchase a CCU for the price difference and apply it, I keep everything in the original package (like the hangar, the insurance, any perks) but the ship changes from Aurora to Avenger

some of those CCUs would allow a change between ships of equal value – hence the $0 CCU. Most CCUs cost $$, but the $0 ones allowed people to simply stock up for free

I got several $0 CCUs to allow me some flexibility to swap ships as development progresses.

But CIG erred in their system, they left a hole. See when ships increase in price, anyone with a CCU for that ship also saw an increase in the value of that CCU.

So the grey market was making bank, at CIGs expense, from people gaming this incredibly arcane and complex system. The classic example would have been the Redeemer>Merchantman $0 CCU. The Merchantman went up in price $100 and folks would have been able to essentially get a ship valued at $350 for $250 using $0 CCUs. So they kept the Redeemer off of the market to prevent this (under the guide of a rework).

Some folks had 1000s of these $0 CCUs, they would have used them to either get discounts or to make a profit on the grey market, so CIG ended it. It was done hamhandedly, and while it solved a few issues for CIG it was done at the expense of the early backers who played CIGs game too well.

I’m not sad to see $0 CCUs go away because I’d rather CIG profited from the sale of ships in order to fund the game (and Chris’s five mansions in the Bahamas) but it does make some ship upgrades problematic.

this can look like another shady marketing decision, another cash grab, another sign that CIG is desperate for cash and cares more for new money than old money. It doesn’t help that thee algorithms they used to automagically remove $0 CCUs was flawed – i still have several in my hangar and some folks are complaining they lost CCUS that they paid cash for.

now if you want to swap a ship for another one of the same value you must melt the original ship and use the store credits to buy the other. This hurts some players as they lose the perks from the original package when they melt it, so things like LTI in the package are lost, and this can be a big deal for folks who have some of the more valuable old packages

but the worst part for me is that this is another episode of drama and mistakes, these little foot-shootings need to stop

not really a big deal except for those of us following on a very fine scale, in the end analysis its just another little bump

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i wonder if they’ll tackle the concierge reward pumping via grey market or not.

it’s not as well known and not anywhere as heavily exploited as teh CCU stuff, and generally doesn’t bilk CIG out of any revenue exactly but… idk.. it feels pretty grey area at best with this sort of thing. the sort of thing i’d expect a non kickstarted company to ban heavily and with prejudice but… the CCU stuff is way worse and none of that action is being taken.

not that it would be good pr either way to ban people for this stuff, but i’m saying you’d expect liek any publisher to get pretty nasty with exploits involve real money like this generally speaking.

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Alex Willis

good lord

thanks

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ichi sakari

no shit, I mean this is some Masonic level esoterica, I put Paddy’s in my coffee

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Alex Willis

FTR, “Masonic Esoterica” would make a GREAT metal band name.

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Melissa McDonald

They’d probably be from Helsinki or Gotenburg :)

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Tee Parsley

In my brain, this immediately riffed to Mesonic Esoterica .

Love subatomic physics!

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Tee Parsley

More examples of devs designing stuff they really didn’t think through….

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as i recall teh CCU system was a hastily put together thing to mollify shitposters of the once legendary on the original forums “we want to split our packages” thread. in which people were gunning for CIG to let them split the contents of their packages so they could make the dozens of aurora packs they had bought giftable without a ship so they could have their guildies work for them when the game launches crewing their biggest ships. which was constantly misrepresented in efforts to promote the thread to catch teh attention of the developers, but frequently they would idly chitchat in it what their legit intentions were (because i mean it was forums and that shit would easily get buried).

i think it may be also why credit purchases were accelerated as well.

i seem to recall the ccu system completley mollifying the qq there, but also being completely different solution than anything that people keeping the thread going were actually looking for.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

Automagically? There’s magic in this game?

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kind of like there being magic in a young girl’s heart maybe… the kind of magic people refer to when watching a pretty sunset or sunrise maybe. the magic of video games definitely. the magical space cadet glow one gets at a pink floyd concert perhaps. maybe not so much david blayne or david copperfield perhaps, but who knows someday maybe?

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Melissa McDonald

Criss Angel for the win. I know they are illusions, but that guy has left me just slackjawed sometimes.

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Tee Parsley

I don’t remember the old pink floyd quad concert that I went to. Just some hints of fog and swirling. I feel it was good though. Automagickly….

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deekay_000

sometimes that pink floyd haze helps with magical feelings in star citizen too ;)

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thirtymil

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” – Clarke’s Third Law.