Fallout 76 dataminer is banned from the game after reporting an exploit

    
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No good deed goes unpunished for one Fallout 76 player who found a significant exploit regarding legendary weapons, reported it, and got summarily banned by Bethesda the following day.

According to the creator of Map76, a “datamined map of every object, resource, vein, and deposit in Fallout 76” according to its site description, legendary Fixer and Bear Arm weapons were entering the market with some very suspicious combinations of effects just weeks after the weapons were added — combinations that seemed mathematically impossible. Following his hunch, the dataminer discovered a way to trick the Purveyor legendary vendor into taking Caps (the common currency) instead of Scrip (a currency only attainable by breaking down legendary items), which meant that players could keep purchasing legendary weapons at will until they got the combination of legendary effects they wanted.

After reporting the exploit as well as testing, confirming, and reporting a secondary method of performing the same exploit to Bethesda community managers, the dataminer’s account was banned. The ban has been in place for about a month now, with explanations to customer support going unheeded. What’s more, the dataminer’s request to have his Fallout 1st subscription refunded was outright denied due to the fact that he spent Atoms in the cash shop, but that decision was since rescinded as “an exception” and a refund is being processed.

As one can expect, the Map76 dataminer is pretty incensed at the whole situation, and has shut down the website indefinitely. Whether it goes back online or not is entirely on Bethesda, according to him:

“The longer I go without getting any response from Bethesda’s customer support is the more my faith dwindles in their ability to respond to their playerbase. I do not think it is a problem with the dev team or the community managers, but specifically an issue with their customer support. At this time, they would need to do a complete 180 on customer support and the importance they place on the community. A lot of my reasons listed here are the symptoms of a problem. Taking cough syrup may help your cough, but it does not fix your illness.”

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wonderrat

So this guy used 3rd party software to hack the game and then shared the cheat with the internet without reporting the bug?

Sounds like he just wanted more video views.

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Mewmew

This article is so wrong. His data mining is done with a cheat tool. He also used said cheat tool to exploit getting these guns with Caps and *never reported it*. When caught and banned he claimed he was just doing it to test the exploit and didn’t report it because he heard someone else was going to.

So Bethesda should just buy that improbable story and say all is okay and unban him? Riiight…

I get that most people are on this person’s side because they’re reading articles like this one above that have got the facts all wrong, but still, jump on Bethesda when they actually deserve it. This time they do not.

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Rodrigo Dias Costa

Bethesda, aside from not doing QA, also apparently does not do customer support. They just mess with their customers as much as they mess with their softwares.

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Robert Mann

So, his hunch was using a cheat engine to manipulate the system… and he tested that?

I’m sorry, but stupid shall be punished. If you see something like that going on, you just report it and go on your way. You don’t test a cheat engine and report that. To then play the innocent card afterward, as if you did not engage in behavior well beyond what is reasonable on the matter, is just dancing on your cake and then whining about wanting to eat a cake.

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ihatevnecks

The best part is he didn’t report anything. He says so on his own site. He “heard another member of his group was testing and reporting it” so he didn’t bother doing so himself.

So yeah.. just a guy who got caught using cheat engine.

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Mewmew

That’s outside information, which is entirely true :P Funny how off the article is about the real information.

This article is giving a false version of the story while leaving other stuff out. He used a cheat tool and he never personally reported the exploit at all.

So basically he was caught using the cheat tool without an explanation and with the weapons he got through such cheating and said “But I was just doing it to test the bug. I just didn’t report it because I heard someone else was going to.” That sounds completely legit.

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Nate Woodard

Well, that just stinks. I mean I can certainly see both sides of the argument. Perhaps the support team should have flagged it for further review and issued a temporary ban instead? It’s no secret that this game has been a mess though.

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ihatevnecks

The guy fully admits to using Cheat Engine to alter drop tables. Whether or not he was “doing it to verify bugs,” he’s openly claiming use of third party software to edit game files for an online game. He wasn’t even the one to report anything, so he was literally just some guy using cheat engine in their game.

Of course he’s going to be fucking banned for it.

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NeoWolf

I watched a video on this a few days back on youtube

And In this one singular instance and as much as it pains me to say so.. I can kind of the see the rock and the hard place they were in.
Yes, the guy was a helpful data miner but he was still using cheat software to do it.

And if cheat software which can be used to mess with things is not acceptable then it pretty much has to be non-acceptable for everyone otherwise every actual cheater will just claim to be a data miner.

This was a literal no win scenario for them they couldn’t on one hand say thanks for using the cheat software to help us as that would get people saying hold on cheat software is banned but it’s okay for dataminers? and they couldn’t say your banned for using cheat software even though you were helping us as then people say but hold on he was HELPING you! No matter what people were going to be pissed.

So they just took the choice with least potential issues for them and stuck to the we said cheat software was banned and it is approach whether your helping us or not.

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Covynant001

I think Tandor figured it out, considering the ban was a month ago about the same time the Map76 website was put up, likely he ran afoul of this portion of the Zenimax TOS.

“You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your access to or receipt, play or use of the Services.  Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream..”

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Covynant001

Fallout 1st was announced and launched Oct 23rd.

Anyone else see a problem with the below?

“The ban has been in place for about a month now, with explanations to customer support going unheeded. What’s more, the dataminer’s request to have his Fallout 1st subscription refunded was outright denied”

Err, if the account was banned a month ago how did he sign up for 1st?

I rarely believe these “crocodile tears” stories and data mining is a gray area which can easily slip over into hacking, which the TOS clearly forbids.