Star Citizen brought part of 3.0 to Gamescom

If you’re lucky enough to be in Cologne this week for Gamescom, make sure you make your way over to the Star Citizen booth as it appears at least part of the 3.0 build — which you’ll recall has been severely delayed and is not available for backers just yet — is playable at the con.

If you can’t be there, of course, you can just set up a dedicated rig to stream the next four days of developer shows from the con floor, “leading up to the main event on Friday night, where Chris Roberts will share the latest on Star Citizen’s development (and as always a surprise or two) with a backer-only crowd.” The whole schedule is posted up on the official site.

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April-Rain
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I have followed development lightly and avoided investment, the initial craziness and hype gave me a gut feeling to wait for release with this one, but my mouse did hover over the button a few times.

I have to admit I am a big wing commander fan but I lost faith in CR after that dam mess of a movie.

I find the DS v CR very interesting and pretty fun to watch, but I have to say while I don’t believe everything DS says he does come across more believable than CR who seems to be just spinning this out.

This game, well demo is an absolute mess and its getting pretty embarrassing as the lack of progress after 6 years and 156m is getting more visible the month.

I would say gamescom has come across as a bit of a disaster.

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Kevin McCaughey

It is a people’s wanton blindness to this that I just can’t credit. It reminds me of the gold rush.

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Space Captain Zor

/eyeroll @ “lack of progress”

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Joe Blobers

Quote April-Rain:”I don’t believe everything DS says he does come across more believable than CR”

Fine this is an opinion.

Fact: DS never released something remotely playable or enjoyable by players. 15 release of the same games and nobody can’t rememeber their name beside the first disastrous one. His lies and obfuscation are so numerous you could write several books. What about “idris not being flyable”, about seamless from space to planet decades away”… a true expert and you give a huge as such individual… your call. April-Rain.

Fact: CR however did delivered several time something people remember and what you call 3.0 demo mess… Beside the server crash and Ursa crushed by Idris, 3.0 demonstrated that CR is delivering.
Not fast enough compared to a multi billion$ company with thousands of devs? True… but CR breaks the line and the FaceWatch tech is another plus that come for free to the most basic starter package. TrackIR+ face expression, gorgeous vista from Levsky station… and much more to come during 2018 with patch adding patch and more assets (planets + assets)…. Little time invest as done by FaceWatch during the past 7 years, worldwide visibility…. CR please stop adding almost mandatory feature like TrackIR or nice to have like face expressions :)

Gamescom has come across a bit of an amazing view of what is going to offer Star Citizen… and not in 10 years :)

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Kevin McCaughey

DS seems somewhat unhinged on this topic, but he does come out with the odd kernel of irrefutable truth.

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Aldristavan

At this point, I don’t care whether Derek Smart is right or wrong. I’m astonished that he has nothing better to do with his time than troll this game.

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AngryPacifist

last time I checked he spews mental random nonsense all day long, yet his hit rate of being right is under 0.0001% . He’s like sone reverse mode oracle. Bad, really bad

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Kevin McCaughey

He is right a lot more than that – not the majority of times, but the off time he hits it just right,

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NovaScotiaCitizen

imho that Darek Smart guy is such a tragedy, only product he is ‘known for’ is Desktop Commander and that was just a parody. Now his full time job is trolling games he can’t make. Just so very tragic and also creepy.

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dsmart

Today’s stream was an amazing disaster, and which proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt, that the project is FUBAR. Only the die hard zealots are pushing an alternate reality as usual.

Even Reddit and Spectrum are both in shock and unusually quiet; even as none of the media are even covering the game.

My day 2 synopsis.

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There is only one thing that anybody needs to remember when it comes to Derek Smart.

He is always wrong.

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Space Captain Zor

That’s a tabloid-worthy comment if ever there was one.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Dsmart: “even as none of the media are even covering the game.”

And the guy pretend to know gaming industry… Media will cover mainly the 25th show. And Reddit and Spectrum in shock… :)

Total incompentcy as usual Derek… You are here to say one single thing:
“Look at me Please!”

… They look at you DS… and laugh :) Thanks for passing by.

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shear

Regardless what you think about DS you can’t really deny that what they have on the show floor is ridiculous. How did they think it was ok to show that to a wider audience.

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Joe Blobers

Yes I deny it has being ridiculous or even close to be.

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shear

I’m not a supporter of anyone, I can make my own opinions on the matter, this isn’t libel but you seem to just completely disregard that to suit your agenda. The thing they have on the show floor is what a very very broken early access game on steam would look like, that would get destroyed in the review section, but Citizen fanboys are saying they are impressed.

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dsmart

You know the hilarious part? After Lando said that this was in fact the 3.0 build, but with stuff disabled, come Friday, Chris has to show that disabled stuff in his build. Which means, if true, they have two branched builds. Which also means that, again if true, they have an R&D 3.0 build at the show, which is different from the live dev 3.0 build that Chris is apparently going to be showing on Friday.

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shear

Well, I never doubted that they will show a demo of “what the game could one day look like” which is why I don’t understand when people are saying they are spending the money well when in fact they are making these demos that have nothing to do with the actual game but do take time and money to make. That just sounds like a waste to me.

Also, I remember you saying that you are going to do some predictions before the show, is that still a thing?

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dsmart

Yeah, they’ve been doing that for quite some time now. It’s a waste of time and resources, but it’s the only ammo they have for continuing to raise money via their “Fake it til you make it” plan.

I have a blog that I was going to publish. I decided to just want for the GC2017 fallout so that I can release an updated version.

My predictions haven’t changed. If you looked at my day 1 and day articles for the show, they’re pretty much spot on. From 3.0 being a shit-show, to the fact that, arguments aside, they are in fact using isolated “levels” to showcase the game. These are things I wrote about since June. Aside from the fact that, almost a year ago when I said that Chris was lying, and that sources told me “3.0 didn’t exist”, so there is no way it could have been coming out by “Dec 19, 2016”. We’ve now seen that what I stated then, including the fact that 3.0 is a mess (which is why the later June release date was also pure fiction), was true. And of course, months after I wrote that sources told me the public 3.0 schedule was bullshit and didn’t reflect the internal dev one, they finally added more items to 3. 0, then removed all dates starting with the 08/11 update.

It’s an on-going scam, and it’s going to collapse soon.

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Kevin McCaughey

Derek, I believe you are largely correct. You go somewhat overboard sometimes, but what you have just written is correct. I see the collapse date being about 3 ships sales away. At that point, even the hapless believers here will start to smell the bullshit. What annoys me most is I wonder how much Mr & Mrs Roberts are allegedly skimming off the top. That is what I think the real reason for all this nonsense is.

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((Deleted by mod. Way over the line. Find another way.))

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“It’s an on-going scam, and it’s going to collapse soon.”

You have been saying this for how long? When are you going to be right? So far you have been nothing but wrong in every one of your predictions!

Derek Smart was wrong!

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Joe Blobers

Hey Dsmart did you get a picture of the ID card ot this “source”? because last time you pushed TheEscapist in that direction, they had to remove their all article from internet at once and never came back…. ouch…

Aslo what about the cease & desist letter you got to stop stalking Roberts family? But according to you you have nothing against CR… :)
A date for the collapse may be? because an expert could give one… you tried already years ago… and failed as usual :)

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Joe Blobers

You keep predict things nobody care about based on your proven gross incompetence. The last one coming from an expert:” Seamless from space to planet is decades away”…. Delivered here and now by CIG :)
Collapse soon yes… 90 days top! :) Another of your predictions years ago…. since the Sure collapse CIG gathered 60 M$ more to 156M$ and growing. This is the end :)

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shear

Not delivered yet at all, it’s not even in the demo on the show floor as people have flown up and jumped out of a ship just to find out that the gravity of the planet is still pulling them down where there shouldn’t be any. Stop lying.

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Ken Smith

No one cares about your crappy blogs. You’re like a walking talking infomercial

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shear

Ah, that’s a bit disappointing that you won’t do them.

What I find hilarious is that this demo they have on the floor is so utterly broken but they will be showing a smooth ride on Friday when CR is on the stage, any reasonable person would immediately ask why wasn’t this the playing part of the game on the stage if it runs so smooth? Well, because it doesn’t actually exist, but that fact will be overlooked like it always is.

This whole SC thing is incredibly amusing to me. 156m to build a company with no financial risk to CR at all, I know plenty of business students in college who would love for somebody else to pay for their start ups like that and not ask for anything in return.

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just a word of caution on taking derek smart’s posts at face value.

he legitimately hates the game and is on a crusade to somehow make it fail. he is about in touch with reality of the game as joe blober here, just slightly more coherent in his madness (and often quite off the rails when he gets going).

his blog posts often take the opportunity to promote his own games which he pretends are anywhere near as good state as the latest SC alpha milestone when they are hilariously bug riddled broken messes with a fraction of the advertised features working if even implemented before he abandons them for the next half assed project funded by his wealthy spouse.

more than being a so called game dev, his primary claim to fame is being an rabid forum warrior that is the stuff of legend, getting his start in one ofthe most epic game flame wars of all time for his original game in which he made hilarious claims about the game which could not rationally be said to be true about it and argued about it for years upon years for thousands of pages of posts.

most of his time nowadays is spent obsessing over star citizen all day every day and being goaded by something awful forum posters for their own amusement.

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shear

The reason I wanted the predictions was so I could see if he did, in fact, know anything, which doesn’t look like it considering anyone can write up a summation after the show.

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mostly he’s just alot of infowars star citizen edition stuff.

most of the valid/legit things he posts are just gleaned from other people, and ultimately by him parroting them he poisons them

which is all he has done with his time obessessing with this game, is poisoned legitimate and valid criticisms of the game/company/project and become a bogeyman for the fanboys to dismiss backers with legitimate criticsms.

anyways this will also be noted in the about to go live post for today’s sc gc news – cr confirmed no sq42 in friday’s demo, but they claim they hav a game changer to show us anyway. :S

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shear

They have another cool ‘demo’ same as last year, same as the year before, that’s all they are doing.

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Darkwalker75 .

I don’t usually agree with what you say around here, but in this particular case I am in full agreement.

I would also agree that @Joe_blober seems to be trying too hard to make a case at times and would be better off leaving well enough alone instead in many cases.

When in comes to Derek here he has had a grudge against Roberts since the days of Wing Commander and have made this into a personal crusade.
And its my impression that the only reason he hates this game and want to see it fail so much is because Roberts is in charge.

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dsmart

And its my impression that the only reason he hates this game and want to see it fail so much is because Roberts is in charge.

You HAVE to do better than that. No matter how many times you repeat that, it’s never – ever – going to be fact.

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Joe Blobers

This one is better: who is really Dsmart and why

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Kevin McCaughey

That is like some Nazi propaganda poster.

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Darkwalker75 .

You can repeat that and link to your blog as many times as you like, its never going to change my impression of you and your standpoint.

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Melissa McDonald

sh*t just got real. Finally. Well, I mean, I can’t play it yet, which some of you will say in exasperation “THAT’S MY POINT!” but, a little more patience, looks like it will be rewarded soon enough. I’ve had my fair share of skepticism about the game, but only in regard to what the game would actually be, not that it would ever be released, I felt/feel certain it will.

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primal

from the little bit ive watched of the live stream its looking pretty cool, i think theyll show off procedural city tech in gamescom and alot more of the biomes and bleding and stuff

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Alberto

Yeah I was expecting this, if they had rolled in with last years 2.6 again on the floor they would have been laughed off the floor. Most people are super excited about this as they get to watch actual people PLAY 3.0 instead of the very limited screenshots and clips we have seen for the last 6 mos. Looking super forward to watching the live streams over the next 3 days, which were boring last year as it was 2.6 which we all had at home anyway.

PS the reddit is very impressed picking 1 thread IS Not a Honest gauge of how most people feel.

Cutlass Re-Entry! per Deejay@Gamescom from starcitizen

IT’S HAPPENING! – "Holy moly! About to play #StarCitizen 3.0 😱" – Tweet from Gamescom from starcitizen

They are currently updating the game live at Gamescom :) will play a little more stable version in some minutes :) from starcitizen

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That is awesome news that some of 3.0 is being shown, it makes sense having something new to show at a convention, and it will be a lot easier to roll it out on several PCs all running the same hardware and software first

I look forward to hearing more details in the future!

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shear

See my problem is that people have been waiting for this alpha for months and months and CR rather show it off to people who possibly haven’t even spend a dime on it instead of just giving this verticle slice to everyone who paid for it. I find that funny.

Criss built a multi million dollar company of the backs of the backers and became a millionaire in the process without spending a dime of his money and now he treats every backer like a second class citizen. He should be washing your feet and drinking the water not doing what every other big developer does. But I am sure I’ll be told I am wrong.

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Joe Blobers

Quote:”nd became a millionaire in the process ”

Lies: He was millionaire before… and you perfectly know that the real profit margin is coming after release when MMO will be at full gear…. also saying he take backers for second class…. That is nothing more than the limited 3.0 shown weeks ago to some journalist. Nothing was chocked at this time byt now this is unacceptable?

Youv are really looking to soil everything Sheart… and it shows! :)

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Kevin McCaughey

Your defence of anything bad (or real) about this man is actually tiring. I wish I had an ignore option for your cool aid.

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thronde

He was a washed out Game Dev sacked from his last project and a failed movie director that got SUED by Kevin Costner to the tune of 8 MILLION. I highly doubt it. If he was, why not put up some of his cash as collateral for a traditional loan instead of going to kickstarter in 2012 begging for cash?

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Kevin McCaughey

Because rule No1 that any dodgy millionaire knows is, NEVER risk your own money to make money.

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Since when does “successful” = “washed out” and “sold his company” = “sacked”?

If you knew anything about the funding process for Star Citizen, you would know that he had investors lined up for the project. Those investors asked him to do a Kickstarter to get a few million and prove there was an interest in the game first. He succeeded and then realized he may not need those investors right away after all. Even after all this time, CIG still has what they refer to as “Angel Investors” that are ready to fund the game to completion should the current funding falter.

So, before you start accusing people of “begging for cash”. Maybe do a little research and know what you are talking about first. Glad I could educate you. Have a nice day.

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Kevin McCaughey

Have you any sources for what you put forward above or is it just a story?

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shear

I don’t know where the real profit margin comes at all when it comes to a game like this. You’re forgetting that while this is all very impressive SC is still a niche game, so one could argue that it won’t have the kind of numbers that say WoW does.

What has profit to do with anything anyways? He begged you for all that KS money now that he has it he’d rather show off the game to the journalist than give it to you, and you’re still defending him! I mean.

Also, it’s not just ” some journalist” people who went to Gamescom could go in and try it out from what it looks like which means that they got to play it before the people who paid for it… :D

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dsmart

Either he doesn’t know, or he’s basically ignoring the part where Chris Roberts went from video games -> movies – > selling luxury cars -> Star Citizen

Star Citizen made him and his family of friends – nine people in all – millionaires. Whereby even his brother Erin, who is running a studio that has NO reason to exist, is making over £203k a year, while David Braben who would have shipped THREE games since Star Citizen was announced and by the time their next one comes out Summer 2018, is making £180k

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Joe Blobers

Quote DS:”shipped three games since SC”

You did shipped 15 times the same Battlecrap games in 2 decades, just changing the name without any noticable gameplay improvement luring buyers by changing the pitch and game names… who remember those 15 games? You could have improved in the meantime… but no. Better to try to stay visible by keeping the same toxic behavior…. shooting no sense about sport car or family members, telling if a studio have to exist or not…

You are missing any credibility not because you are devoure by jealousy… but because of your cosmic incompetence…. At least DS you reached something cosmic :)

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shear

Oh my god, I just looked through all the highlights, why are they showing this to people this isn’t ready for anyone to see yet, this gives a horrible impreasion to just about anyone who isn’t familiar to SC, I think this is the first big mistake CiG has made publically…

3.0 is not coming out till 2018 for sure.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:” I don’t know where the real profit margin comes… they got to play it before the people who paid for it”

– Profit margin are showing up the day they release the game. For the time being, this is cost development costs versus pledges. Between the costs and provision for future development costs that will occur in 2018, there is no profit.

– This is a reduced 3.0 version. Probably the same than the one played by few journalists weeks ago. That was a no brainer at tis time, that is not one today. Full 3.0 is weeks not years away. Better save on bandwith costs and get a full 3.0 without bugs (or as less as possible). Frustration, jalousy, envy are behavior that have to be managed. That will help many IRL trust me… :)

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shear

There is profit, what do you think CR isn’t paying a salary to himself? That’s profit for him already.

A lot of that backer money is going right into his pocket and marketing and isn’t used for the development at all.

I just find it funny that he built a company of the backs of the backers. How easy it must be to build one when someone else is paying for it. All you get is a game, not even shares or some sort of possibility to make money back on this investment. How nice for CR. :D

You’ve been saying it’s weeks away for a month now, isn’t it supposed to come out this week?

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primal

no 9th september

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”what do you think CR isn’t paying a salary to himself? That’s profit for him already.”

Some can call me over optimistic fanboy possibly, but you really showing a negative behavior about anything as long you can remotely linked it to CR…. Man… a salary is not a profit… and building a company based on backers is called: Crowdfunding…. Either it is evil for all projects or it is not.

Do you realise how deep you go to soil this man?

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shear

Profit to CR will be salary, he’s taking a salary now hence it’s profit.

And you are right, it’s evil for them all. I never said that it’s just this one. But there is a big difference between a small indie of three people asking for a 100k just for the development of the game and food on their table whiles they are making it and a 156m and rising where the money is spent on conventions, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars. I am sure you’ll ask for the source and I could find it for you but it would take you one google search to find it yourself. You are not that inept I hope.

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Darkwalker75 .

I don’t quite understand how you can define the salary that Roberts earns from the company for doing a job he has set out to do as profit in any way.

If we are to use your definition then everyone working at CIG would be considered earning a profit, as would every single other individual in the world with some kind of income.

Last I checked profit was defined as being income minus expenditures in business, not as the salary an individual earns from either running or working for a company.

Roberts has specifically stated that every dollar they get in pledges goes towards making the game, and no profit is being earned until the game is released.
And unless someone can provide concrete proof(not opinion, speculation, assumption, etc) then I choose to believe this is true as I have been given no reason to think otherwise.

So how then can you say that Roberts is earning a profit?
Like everyone else at CIG Roberts has a home and need an income to pay his bills and sustain himself and his family.

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I think a 20k door, Vacations to yacht about in Monaco, Hawaii, and the trips back and forth (just in the last year) to the UK say a lot about how clearly the money isn’t being used on development of the title. Especially after this hilariously awful showing today. That mess didn’t even qualify as a tech demo.

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Ah, I see now. You have been reading too much of Derek Smart and your level of ignorance seems to match his.

“20k door”…lol! Some people…

You really have no right to tell someone how to spend their own money. You have no way of knowing if it’s backer money they are spending on their vacations. Chris Roberts was wealthy before he Kickstarted Star Citizen and he is wealthy now.

Keep spreading your misinformation though, I am sure you making your mark on the world.

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Melissa McDonald

You just, by your own definition, explained how everyone drawing a salary (income) profits (after expenses). The lack of economics here is amazing to me. Not picking on you specifically so much Darkwalker, you aren’t alone in this strange notion that making money =/= profit.

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Darkwalker75 .

I would not say its my definition, I merely tried to interpret what @Shear were saying.
But I suppose you could say that anyone who has money left over from their salary after paying expenses has earned a profit.

However if you notice I was specifically referring to profit being most commonly used in business, not in terms of individuals private economy.
In fact I can’t remember ever hearing the term used in conjunction with a person drawing a salary from a business he/she may be running.

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shear

What do you think that profit from the sale of the games would have been used as? Some of it would go back into the game some of it would be used to pay salaries, he’s paying a salary to himself, hence the company of CiG is making a profit.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”hence the company of CiG is making a profit.”
Shear really stop talking about finance and profit. Your concept of profit is totally wrong… You can receive a salary from a company and this same company is making loss at the time you get paid.

Salary is not profit for an employee but an income and a charge to a company… all linked to a balanced sheet that can be either a profit or loss.
That is the way Finance is all around the word, there is no alternative view because accounting is not about having an opinion…

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shear

I know that as a company CiG is already profitable and it could easily be argued that it will never be as profitable when the game comes out because the ships cost more.

Tell me five things you don’t like about Star Citizen.

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Joe Blobers

Shear quote:”I know that as a company CiG is already profitable”

Unfortunately you guess, you give an opinion which is fine but accounting is not based on opinion. Rules apply and CIG balance sheet is not differrent of any others companies.
I already said that CIG do have a bit more than a year of cash in advance (you can disagree). That mean they have by Finance rules to provision future costs for 2018. At least 90% of that available cash is reasonably accounted as a provision. Provision are not profit either as their are future charges.

Also about MMO, everybody they are very profitable. Micro-transactions are gathering way more cash than selling only copies… And CIG is selling copies (crowfunding model) and will then apply micro-transactions model.

As usual, numbers matter more than opinion:

In 2013: The latest estimates for 2013 show about $7.5 billion spent on F2P MMOs versus $2.8 for P2P MMOs.
In 2014: $8 billion versus $2.5
In 2015: $9.3 billion versus $2.3
In 2016: $10.2 billion versus $1.9

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shear

First of all, if CiG is not profitable then how can they sustain continues development of this game? That’s a ridiculous notion, of course the company is profitable, to argue against that is just silly.

Second of all, how can you possibly know how much cash they still have left other than wild speculation. I know you’ll tell me you did some number crunching, except you don’t know how much they are paying to the people who work there, you don’t know how much CR and his family and friends take, you don’t know how much they spent on the equipment, you don’t know how much they spend on the actors like “Gillian Anderson” amongst others to be in this game, how much the motion capture cost them, and all the other expenses they have. You know nothing.

Third, MMO’s are the most unstable games out there, there is a reason why we get less and less of them, people who play them are the most unloyal and finicky group of gamers out there. Just take a look at how many MMOs have fallen off the radar in the past five years.

And yes, the MMOs that do make it and are able to maintain their player groups do make money but it’s not as if every single one of them is a success, far more fail than succeed.

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Joe Blobers

Quote:” the money is spent on conventions, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars….You are not that inept I hope.”

Shear you forget the Pacific island with sumptuous resort bought with backer money… Libel is really weird… I was not expecting you would let a true hater mask felt so fast… with insult on top :)
… and this is just 3.0… what would we get for 3.1? Russian Mafia money? :)

And again, a salary is not a profit… turn that in all direction it is not for anyone, CR included.

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CiG is CRs company, if he’s not making a profit then he’s not making a salary for himself, sure you can say this isn’t profit as per the words actual definition but the reality of it is that the difference between the two is so meager in this situation that it’s negligible.

How is this me hating on SC when I am just stating what the employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen. Can it be false? Sure, but it could also be true and I’d be willing to bet that it is.

And how is going to Gamescom and spending backers money on it is considered development money? How is building demos for these conventions that are not going to be used in the game other than a concept is considered money well spend on development?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”how is going to Gamescom and spending backers money on it is considered development money? ”

It is not and as never been in 5 years. Subscribers pay for “marketing” not backers. You know it but continue to lie on purposes…
And this:”the employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen”… How did you get the info? From GlassDoor? This is just libel, the baseless one… unless it falls in the opinion umbrella :)

Seriously I can understand the complain about time of development, dissaproval toward a pledge model based on ships sale… but you are falling to the worst trick of haters… Libel, conspiracy, lies… Hard now to hide your real face.
… How are you doing in Rust recently? :)

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shear

First of all, no I didn’t know it, I don’t follow everything about CiG.

Second of all, how do you know it’s libel? Do you know for sure that it’s not the actual employees that have left those reviews up there? Can I see a source?

Lastly, I haven’t said anything that isn’t untrue, none of it is libel but I am sure you’ll teach a law student what libel is now.

Haven’t played rust for a while, subbed to WoW, kinda having fun. :D

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Joe Blobers

Quote:” I haven’t said anything that isn’t untrue”

– 100k salary, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars, employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen… all not untrue becauce nobody can prove it is.

Can we see source? No of course there are None… keep soil a man than can’t answer to you. This is brave :)

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thronde

The source could be the self-posted photos of Chris and Sandi on a yacht in Monaco. Or the candid photo of the Roberts Family boarding first class to Hawaii for vacation. Or the $7,000 espresso machine at CIG HQ, or the $20,000 Stanley Commercial Door at the same building. Or the $3,000 Restoration Hardware desks that are needless.

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OMG! This just in! Family goes on vacation to Hawaii! Money is spent!

In other news. Family is seen on a yacht! Money is spent!

In other news. Espresso machine costs money! We don’t know how much it cost the company but we are going to say it’s a lot! Doors cost money too! We don’t know the cost but we will say that’s a lot as well!

BREAKING!: Desks cost money!

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Joe Blobers

Quote Thronde:”the source could be…”

In short there are nothing. There are yacht at 100K or 10M$… clearly this is not the later and who told you they rent it for 3 weeks and not 3 hours?
Do you know who paid the vacation tickets and how much they costs?
Do you know that free expresso machine and or snack to employee are the best financial return on investment (ROI) as employee are more productive and spend more time at the office without extra salary costs?

You just demonstrate that you have little understansing on how a company is working and know nothing about who spend what :)

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shear

This argument works both ways and you know it, can you disprove it? Source? No, I didn’t think so. Lol

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Libel? lol

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primal

the only source we would need for definitive answer is there accounts. other than that hearsay and conjecture and stuff you hear on the grape vine doesnt count

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Yangers

Lies: He was millionaire before

So, millionaire becomes even richer? :-P

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Joe Blobers

Quote:”millionaire becomes even richer?”

Yea and CIG provide jobs to hundreds of others talented guys. I am really proud as a backers to participate to employees pay slip and get at the same time a game that no one else want to make!

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Paragon Lost

There is no “mod approval” policy before your post appears dsnart. You post, it’s there and usually the person you are replying to gets an email with a link to the post and the post.

I say usually because I think it is possible that the mods could delete fast enough before the server sends the reply to the person you are replying to. Speculation on my part on that. If it’s gone it’s getting deleted because the mods are hitting you with the delete hammer.

It would be nice if you stopped trolling DK though.

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Kevin McCaughey

I think he should be allowed to post, even if we don’t like what he says. I mean, I am on his side of the argument, but I find him annoying. Just because of that though his opinion should not be banned.

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fwiw he did seem to be evading an IP ban. but he still couldn’t keep his story straight either way and refused to address the substance of my reply, instead focusing on the trolling. so eff him. lol