Star Citizen brought part of 3.0 to Gamescom

If you’re lucky enough to be in Cologne this week for Gamescom, make sure you make your way over to the Star Citizen booth as it appears at least part of the 3.0 build — which you’ll recall has been severely delayed and is not available for backers just yet — is playable at the con.

If you can’t be there, of course, you can just set up a dedicated rig to stream the next four days of developer shows from the con floor, “leading up to the main event on Friday night, where Chris Roberts will share the latest on Star Citizen’s development (and as always a surprise or two) with a backer-only crowd.” The whole schedule is posted up on the official site.

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April-Rain
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I have followed development lightly and avoided investment, the initial craziness and hype gave me a gut feeling to wait for release with this one, but my mouse did hover over the button a few times.

I have to admit I am a big wing commander fan but I lost faith in CR after that dam mess of a movie.

I find the DS v CR very interesting and pretty fun to watch, but I have to say while I don’t believe everything DS says he does come across more believable than CR who seems to be just spinning this out.

This game, well demo is an absolute mess and its getting pretty embarrassing as the lack of progress after 6 years and 156m is getting more visible the month.

I would say gamescom has come across as a bit of a disaster.

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Kevin McCaughey

It is a people’s wanton blindness to this that I just can’t credit. It reminds me of the gold rush.

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Space Captain Zor

/eyeroll @ “lack of progress”

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Joe Blobers

Quote April-Rain:”I don’t believe everything DS says he does come across more believable than CR”

Fine this is an opinion.

Fact: DS never released something remotely playable or enjoyable by players. 15 release of the same games and nobody can’t rememeber their name beside the first disastrous one. His lies and obfuscation are so numerous you could write several books. What about “idris not being flyable”, about seamless from space to planet decades away”… a true expert and you give a huge as such individual… your call. April-Rain.

Fact: CR however did delivered several time something people remember and what you call 3.0 demo mess… Beside the server crash and Ursa crushed by Idris, 3.0 demonstrated that CR is delivering.
Not fast enough compared to a multi billion$ company with thousands of devs? True… but CR breaks the line and the FaceWatch tech is another plus that come for free to the most basic starter package. TrackIR+ face expression, gorgeous vista from Levsky station… and much more to come during 2018 with patch adding patch and more assets (planets + assets)…. Little time invest as done by FaceWatch during the past 7 years, worldwide visibility…. CR please stop adding almost mandatory feature like TrackIR or nice to have like face expressions :)

Gamescom has come across a bit of an amazing view of what is going to offer Star Citizen… and not in 10 years :)

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Kevin McCaughey

DS seems somewhat unhinged on this topic, but he does come out with the odd kernel of irrefutable truth.

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Aldristavan

At this point, I don’t care whether Derek Smart is right or wrong. I’m astonished that he has nothing better to do with his time than troll this game.

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AngryPacifist

last time I checked he spews mental random nonsense all day long, yet his hit rate of being right is under 0.0001% . He’s like sone reverse mode oracle. Bad, really bad

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Kevin McCaughey

He is right a lot more than that – not the majority of times, but the off time he hits it just right,

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NovaScotiaCitizen

imho that Darek Smart guy is such a tragedy, only product he is ‘known for’ is Desktop Commander and that was just a parody. Now his full time job is trolling games he can’t make. Just so very tragic and also creepy.

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dsmart

Today’s stream was an amazing disaster, and which proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt, that the project is FUBAR. Only the die hard zealots are pushing an alternate reality as usual.

Even Reddit and Spectrum are both in shock and unusually quiet; even as none of the media are even covering the game.

My day 2 synopsis.

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There is only one thing that anybody needs to remember when it comes to Derek Smart.

He is always wrong.

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Space Captain Zor

That’s a tabloid-worthy comment if ever there was one.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Dsmart: “even as none of the media are even covering the game.”

And the guy pretend to know gaming industry… Media will cover mainly the 25th show. And Reddit and Spectrum in shock… :)

Total incompentcy as usual Derek… You are here to say one single thing:
“Look at me Please!”

… They look at you DS… and laugh :) Thanks for passing by.

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shear

Regardless what you think about DS you can’t really deny that what they have on the show floor is ridiculous. How did they think it was ok to show that to a wider audience.

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Joe Blobers

Yes I deny it has being ridiculous or even close to be.

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shear

I’m not a supporter of anyone, I can make my own opinions on the matter, this isn’t libel but you seem to just completely disregard that to suit your agenda. The thing they have on the show floor is what a very very broken early access game on steam would look like, that would get destroyed in the review section, but Citizen fanboys are saying they are impressed.

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dsmart

You know the hilarious part? After Lando said that this was in fact the 3.0 build, but with stuff disabled, come Friday, Chris has to show that disabled stuff in his build. Which means, if true, they have two branched builds. Which also means that, again if true, they have an R&D 3.0 build at the show, which is different from the live dev 3.0 build that Chris is apparently going to be showing on Friday.

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shear

Well, I never doubted that they will show a demo of “what the game could one day look like” which is why I don’t understand when people are saying they are spending the money well when in fact they are making these demos that have nothing to do with the actual game but do take time and money to make. That just sounds like a waste to me.

Also, I remember you saying that you are going to do some predictions before the show, is that still a thing?

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dsmart

Yeah, they’ve been doing that for quite some time now. It’s a waste of time and resources, but it’s the only ammo they have for continuing to raise money via their “Fake it til you make it” plan.

I have a blog that I was going to publish. I decided to just want for the GC2017 fallout so that I can release an updated version.

My predictions haven’t changed. If you looked at my day 1 and day articles for the show, they’re pretty much spot on. From 3.0 being a shit-show, to the fact that, arguments aside, they are in fact using isolated “levels” to showcase the game. These are things I wrote about since June. Aside from the fact that, almost a year ago when I said that Chris was lying, and that sources told me “3.0 didn’t exist”, so there is no way it could have been coming out by “Dec 19, 2016”. We’ve now seen that what I stated then, including the fact that 3.0 is a mess (which is why the later June release date was also pure fiction), was true. And of course, months after I wrote that sources told me the public 3.0 schedule was bullshit and didn’t reflect the internal dev one, they finally added more items to 3. 0, then removed all dates starting with the 08/11 update.

It’s an on-going scam, and it’s going to collapse soon.

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Kevin McCaughey

Derek, I believe you are largely correct. You go somewhat overboard sometimes, but what you have just written is correct. I see the collapse date being about 3 ships sales away. At that point, even the hapless believers here will start to smell the bullshit. What annoys me most is I wonder how much Mr & Mrs Roberts are allegedly skimming off the top. That is what I think the real reason for all this nonsense is.

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deekay_plus

((Deleted by mod. Way over the line. Find another way.))

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“It’s an on-going scam, and it’s going to collapse soon.”

You have been saying this for how long? When are you going to be right? So far you have been nothing but wrong in every one of your predictions!

Derek Smart was wrong!

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Joe Blobers

Hey Dsmart did you get a picture of the ID card ot this “source”? because last time you pushed TheEscapist in that direction, they had to remove their all article from internet at once and never came back…. ouch…

Aslo what about the cease & desist letter you got to stop stalking Roberts family? But according to you you have nothing against CR… :)
A date for the collapse may be? because an expert could give one… you tried already years ago… and failed as usual :)

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Joe Blobers

You keep predict things nobody care about based on your proven gross incompetence. The last one coming from an expert:” Seamless from space to planet is decades away”…. Delivered here and now by CIG :)
Collapse soon yes… 90 days top! :) Another of your predictions years ago…. since the Sure collapse CIG gathered 60 M$ more to 156M$ and growing. This is the end :)

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shear

Not delivered yet at all, it’s not even in the demo on the show floor as people have flown up and jumped out of a ship just to find out that the gravity of the planet is still pulling them down where there shouldn’t be any. Stop lying.

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Ken Smith

No one cares about your crappy blogs. You’re like a walking talking infomercial

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shear

Ah, that’s a bit disappointing that you won’t do them.

What I find hilarious is that this demo they have on the floor is so utterly broken but they will be showing a smooth ride on Friday when CR is on the stage, any reasonable person would immediately ask why wasn’t this the playing part of the game on the stage if it runs so smooth? Well, because it doesn’t actually exist, but that fact will be overlooked like it always is.

This whole SC thing is incredibly amusing to me. 156m to build a company with no financial risk to CR at all, I know plenty of business students in college who would love for somebody else to pay for their start ups like that and not ask for anything in return.

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deekay_plus

just a word of caution on taking derek smart’s posts at face value.

he legitimately hates the game and is on a crusade to somehow make it fail. he is about in touch with reality of the game as joe blober here, just slightly more coherent in his madness (and often quite off the rails when he gets going).

his blog posts often take the opportunity to promote his own games which he pretends are anywhere near as good state as the latest SC alpha milestone when they are hilariously bug riddled broken messes with a fraction of the advertised features working if even implemented before he abandons them for the next half assed project funded by his wealthy spouse.

more than being a so called game dev, his primary claim to fame is being an rabid forum warrior that is the stuff of legend, getting his start in one ofthe most epic game flame wars of all time for his original game in which he made hilarious claims about the game which could not rationally be said to be true about it and argued about it for years upon years for thousands of pages of posts.

most of his time nowadays is spent obsessing over star citizen all day every day and being goaded by something awful forum posters for their own amusement.

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shear

The reason I wanted the predictions was so I could see if he did, in fact, know anything, which doesn’t look like it considering anyone can write up a summation after the show.

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deekay_plus

mostly he’s just alot of infowars star citizen edition stuff.

most of the valid/legit things he posts are just gleaned from other people, and ultimately by him parroting them he poisons them

which is all he has done with his time obessessing with this game, is poisoned legitimate and valid criticisms of the game/company/project and become a bogeyman for the fanboys to dismiss backers with legitimate criticsms.

anyways this will also be noted in the about to go live post for today’s sc gc news – cr confirmed no sq42 in friday’s demo, but they claim they hav a game changer to show us anyway. :S

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shear

They have another cool ‘demo’ same as last year, same as the year before, that’s all they are doing.

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Darkwalker75 .

I don’t usually agree with what you say around here, but in this particular case I am in full agreement.

I would also agree that @Joe_blober seems to be trying too hard to make a case at times and would be better off leaving well enough alone instead in many cases.

When in comes to Derek here he has had a grudge against Roberts since the days of Wing Commander and have made this into a personal crusade.
And its my impression that the only reason he hates this game and want to see it fail so much is because Roberts is in charge.

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dsmart

And its my impression that the only reason he hates this game and want to see it fail so much is because Roberts is in charge.

You HAVE to do better than that. No matter how many times you repeat that, it’s never – ever – going to be fact.

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Joe Blobers

This one is better: who is really Dsmart and why

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Kevin McCaughey

That is like some Nazi propaganda poster.

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Darkwalker75 .

You can repeat that and link to your blog as many times as you like, its never going to change my impression of you and your standpoint.

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Melissa McDonald

sh*t just got real. Finally. Well, I mean, I can’t play it yet, which some of you will say in exasperation “THAT’S MY POINT!” but, a little more patience, looks like it will be rewarded soon enough. I’ve had my fair share of skepticism about the game, but only in regard to what the game would actually be, not that it would ever be released, I felt/feel certain it will.

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primal

from the little bit ive watched of the live stream its looking pretty cool, i think theyll show off procedural city tech in gamescom and alot more of the biomes and bleding and stuff

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Alberto

Yeah I was expecting this, if they had rolled in with last years 2.6 again on the floor they would have been laughed off the floor. Most people are super excited about this as they get to watch actual people PLAY 3.0 instead of the very limited screenshots and clips we have seen for the last 6 mos. Looking super forward to watching the live streams over the next 3 days, which were boring last year as it was 2.6 which we all had at home anyway.

PS the reddit is very impressed picking 1 thread IS Not a Honest gauge of how most people feel.

Cutlass Re-Entry! per Deejay@Gamescom from starcitizen

IT’S HAPPENING! – "Holy moly! About to play #StarCitizen 3.0 😱" – Tweet from Gamescom from starcitizen

They are currently updating the game live at Gamescom :) will play a little more stable version in some minutes :) from starcitizen

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That is awesome news that some of 3.0 is being shown, it makes sense having something new to show at a convention, and it will be a lot easier to roll it out on several PCs all running the same hardware and software first

I look forward to hearing more details in the future!

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shear

See my problem is that people have been waiting for this alpha for months and months and CR rather show it off to people who possibly haven’t even spend a dime on it instead of just giving this verticle slice to everyone who paid for it. I find that funny.

Criss built a multi million dollar company of the backs of the backers and became a millionaire in the process without spending a dime of his money and now he treats every backer like a second class citizen. He should be washing your feet and drinking the water not doing what every other big developer does. But I am sure I’ll be told I am wrong.

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Joe Blobers

Quote:”nd became a millionaire in the process ”

Lies: He was millionaire before… and you perfectly know that the real profit margin is coming after release when MMO will be at full gear…. also saying he take backers for second class…. That is nothing more than the limited 3.0 shown weeks ago to some journalist. Nothing was chocked at this time byt now this is unacceptable?

Youv are really looking to soil everything Sheart… and it shows! :)

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Kevin McCaughey

Your defence of anything bad (or real) about this man is actually tiring. I wish I had an ignore option for your cool aid.

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thronde

He was a washed out Game Dev sacked from his last project and a failed movie director that got SUED by Kevin Costner to the tune of 8 MILLION. I highly doubt it. If he was, why not put up some of his cash as collateral for a traditional loan instead of going to kickstarter in 2012 begging for cash?

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Kevin McCaughey

Because rule No1 that any dodgy millionaire knows is, NEVER risk your own money to make money.

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Since when does “successful” = “washed out” and “sold his company” = “sacked”?

If you knew anything about the funding process for Star Citizen, you would know that he had investors lined up for the project. Those investors asked him to do a Kickstarter to get a few million and prove there was an interest in the game first. He succeeded and then realized he may not need those investors right away after all. Even after all this time, CIG still has what they refer to as “Angel Investors” that are ready to fund the game to completion should the current funding falter.

So, before you start accusing people of “begging for cash”. Maybe do a little research and know what you are talking about first. Glad I could educate you. Have a nice day.

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Kevin McCaughey

Have you any sources for what you put forward above or is it just a story?

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shear

I don’t know where the real profit margin comes at all when it comes to a game like this. You’re forgetting that while this is all very impressive SC is still a niche game, so one could argue that it won’t have the kind of numbers that say WoW does.

What has profit to do with anything anyways? He begged you for all that KS money now that he has it he’d rather show off the game to the journalist than give it to you, and you’re still defending him! I mean.

Also, it’s not just ” some journalist” people who went to Gamescom could go in and try it out from what it looks like which means that they got to play it before the people who paid for it… :D

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dsmart

Either he doesn’t know, or he’s basically ignoring the part where Chris Roberts went from video games -> movies – > selling luxury cars -> Star Citizen

Star Citizen made him and his family of friends – nine people in all – millionaires. Whereby even his brother Erin, who is running a studio that has NO reason to exist, is making over £203k a year, while David Braben who would have shipped THREE games since Star Citizen was announced and by the time their next one comes out Summer 2018, is making £180k

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Joe Blobers

Quote DS:”shipped three games since SC”

You did shipped 15 times the same Battlecrap games in 2 decades, just changing the name without any noticable gameplay improvement luring buyers by changing the pitch and game names… who remember those 15 games? You could have improved in the meantime… but no. Better to try to stay visible by keeping the same toxic behavior…. shooting no sense about sport car or family members, telling if a studio have to exist or not…

You are missing any credibility not because you are devoure by jealousy… but because of your cosmic incompetence…. At least DS you reached something cosmic :)

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shear

Oh my god, I just looked through all the highlights, why are they showing this to people this isn’t ready for anyone to see yet, this gives a horrible impreasion to just about anyone who isn’t familiar to SC, I think this is the first big mistake CiG has made publically…

3.0 is not coming out till 2018 for sure.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:” I don’t know where the real profit margin comes… they got to play it before the people who paid for it”

– Profit margin are showing up the day they release the game. For the time being, this is cost development costs versus pledges. Between the costs and provision for future development costs that will occur in 2018, there is no profit.

– This is a reduced 3.0 version. Probably the same than the one played by few journalists weeks ago. That was a no brainer at tis time, that is not one today. Full 3.0 is weeks not years away. Better save on bandwith costs and get a full 3.0 without bugs (or as less as possible). Frustration, jalousy, envy are behavior that have to be managed. That will help many IRL trust me… :)

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shear

There is profit, what do you think CR isn’t paying a salary to himself? That’s profit for him already.

A lot of that backer money is going right into his pocket and marketing and isn’t used for the development at all.

I just find it funny that he built a company of the backs of the backers. How easy it must be to build one when someone else is paying for it. All you get is a game, not even shares or some sort of possibility to make money back on this investment. How nice for CR. :D

You’ve been saying it’s weeks away for a month now, isn’t it supposed to come out this week?

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primal

no 9th september

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”what do you think CR isn’t paying a salary to himself? That’s profit for him already.”

Some can call me over optimistic fanboy possibly, but you really showing a negative behavior about anything as long you can remotely linked it to CR…. Man… a salary is not a profit… and building a company based on backers is called: Crowdfunding…. Either it is evil for all projects or it is not.

Do you realise how deep you go to soil this man?

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Profit to CR will be salary, he’s taking a salary now hence it’s profit.

And you are right, it’s evil for them all. I never said that it’s just this one. But there is a big difference between a small indie of three people asking for a 100k just for the development of the game and food on their table whiles they are making it and a 156m and rising where the money is spent on conventions, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars. I am sure you’ll ask for the source and I could find it for you but it would take you one google search to find it yourself. You are not that inept I hope.

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Darkwalker75 .

I don’t quite understand how you can define the salary that Roberts earns from the company for doing a job he has set out to do as profit in any way.

If we are to use your definition then everyone working at CIG would be considered earning a profit, as would every single other individual in the world with some kind of income.

Last I checked profit was defined as being income minus expenditures in business, not as the salary an individual earns from either running or working for a company.

Roberts has specifically stated that every dollar they get in pledges goes towards making the game, and no profit is being earned until the game is released.
And unless someone can provide concrete proof(not opinion, speculation, assumption, etc) then I choose to believe this is true as I have been given no reason to think otherwise.

So how then can you say that Roberts is earning a profit?
Like everyone else at CIG Roberts has a home and need an income to pay his bills and sustain himself and his family.

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I think a 20k door, Vacations to yacht about in Monaco, Hawaii, and the trips back and forth (just in the last year) to the UK say a lot about how clearly the money isn’t being used on development of the title. Especially after this hilariously awful showing today. That mess didn’t even qualify as a tech demo.

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Ah, I see now. You have been reading too much of Derek Smart and your level of ignorance seems to match his.

“20k door”…lol! Some people…

You really have no right to tell someone how to spend their own money. You have no way of knowing if it’s backer money they are spending on their vacations. Chris Roberts was wealthy before he Kickstarted Star Citizen and he is wealthy now.

Keep spreading your misinformation though, I am sure you making your mark on the world.

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Melissa McDonald

You just, by your own definition, explained how everyone drawing a salary (income) profits (after expenses). The lack of economics here is amazing to me. Not picking on you specifically so much Darkwalker, you aren’t alone in this strange notion that making money =/= profit.

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Darkwalker75 .

I would not say its my definition, I merely tried to interpret what @Shear were saying.
But I suppose you could say that anyone who has money left over from their salary after paying expenses has earned a profit.

However if you notice I was specifically referring to profit being most commonly used in business, not in terms of individuals private economy.
In fact I can’t remember ever hearing the term used in conjunction with a person drawing a salary from a business he/she may be running.

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shear

What do you think that profit from the sale of the games would have been used as? Some of it would go back into the game some of it would be used to pay salaries, he’s paying a salary to himself, hence the company of CiG is making a profit.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”hence the company of CiG is making a profit.”
Shear really stop talking about finance and profit. Your concept of profit is totally wrong… You can receive a salary from a company and this same company is making loss at the time you get paid.

Salary is not profit for an employee but an income and a charge to a company… all linked to a balanced sheet that can be either a profit or loss.
That is the way Finance is all around the word, there is no alternative view because accounting is not about having an opinion…

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shear

I know that as a company CiG is already profitable and it could easily be argued that it will never be as profitable when the game comes out because the ships cost more.

Tell me five things you don’t like about Star Citizen.

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Joe Blobers

Shear quote:”I know that as a company CiG is already profitable”

Unfortunately you guess, you give an opinion which is fine but accounting is not based on opinion. Rules apply and CIG balance sheet is not differrent of any others companies.
I already said that CIG do have a bit more than a year of cash in advance (you can disagree). That mean they have by Finance rules to provision future costs for 2018. At least 90% of that available cash is reasonably accounted as a provision. Provision are not profit either as their are future charges.

Also about MMO, everybody they are very profitable. Micro-transactions are gathering way more cash than selling only copies… And CIG is selling copies (crowfunding model) and will then apply micro-transactions model.

As usual, numbers matter more than opinion:

In 2013: The latest estimates for 2013 show about $7.5 billion spent on F2P MMOs versus $2.8 for P2P MMOs.
In 2014: $8 billion versus $2.5
In 2015: $9.3 billion versus $2.3
In 2016: $10.2 billion versus $1.9

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shear

First of all, if CiG is not profitable then how can they sustain continues development of this game? That’s a ridiculous notion, of course the company is profitable, to argue against that is just silly.

Second of all, how can you possibly know how much cash they still have left other than wild speculation. I know you’ll tell me you did some number crunching, except you don’t know how much they are paying to the people who work there, you don’t know how much CR and his family and friends take, you don’t know how much they spent on the equipment, you don’t know how much they spend on the actors like “Gillian Anderson” amongst others to be in this game, how much the motion capture cost them, and all the other expenses they have. You know nothing.

Third, MMO’s are the most unstable games out there, there is a reason why we get less and less of them, people who play them are the most unloyal and finicky group of gamers out there. Just take a look at how many MMOs have fallen off the radar in the past five years.

And yes, the MMOs that do make it and are able to maintain their player groups do make money but it’s not as if every single one of them is a success, far more fail than succeed.

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Joe Blobers

Quote:” the money is spent on conventions, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars….You are not that inept I hope.”

Shear you forget the Pacific island with sumptuous resort bought with backer money… Libel is really weird… I was not expecting you would let a true hater mask felt so fast… with insult on top :)
… and this is just 3.0… what would we get for 3.1? Russian Mafia money? :)

And again, a salary is not a profit… turn that in all direction it is not for anyone, CR included.

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shear

CiG is CRs company, if he’s not making a profit then he’s not making a salary for himself, sure you can say this isn’t profit as per the words actual definition but the reality of it is that the difference between the two is so meager in this situation that it’s negligible.

How is this me hating on SC when I am just stating what the employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen. Can it be false? Sure, but it could also be true and I’d be willing to bet that it is.

And how is going to Gamescom and spending backers money on it is considered development money? How is building demos for these conventions that are not going to be used in the game other than a concept is considered money well spend on development?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Shear:”how is going to Gamescom and spending backers money on it is considered development money? ”

It is not and as never been in 5 years. Subscribers pay for “marketing” not backers. You know it but continue to lie on purposes…
And this:”the employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen”… How did you get the info? From GlassDoor? This is just libel, the baseless one… unless it falls in the opinion umbrella :)

Seriously I can understand the complain about time of development, dissaproval toward a pledge model based on ships sale… but you are falling to the worst trick of haters… Libel, conspiracy, lies… Hard now to hide your real face.
… How are you doing in Rust recently? :)

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shear

First of all, no I didn’t know it, I don’t follow everything about CiG.

Second of all, how do you know it’s libel? Do you know for sure that it’s not the actual employees that have left those reviews up there? Can I see a source?

Lastly, I haven’t said anything that isn’t untrue, none of it is libel but I am sure you’ll teach a law student what libel is now.

Haven’t played rust for a while, subbed to WoW, kinda having fun. :D

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Joe Blobers

Quote:” I haven’t said anything that isn’t untrue”

– 100k salary, expensive dinners, holidays and sports cars, employees that worked for the company have allegedly seen… all not untrue becauce nobody can prove it is.

Can we see source? No of course there are None… keep soil a man than can’t answer to you. This is brave :)

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thronde

The source could be the self-posted photos of Chris and Sandi on a yacht in Monaco. Or the candid photo of the Roberts Family boarding first class to Hawaii for vacation. Or the $7,000 espresso machine at CIG HQ, or the $20,000 Stanley Commercial Door at the same building. Or the $3,000 Restoration Hardware desks that are needless.

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OMG! This just in! Family goes on vacation to Hawaii! Money is spent!

In other news. Family is seen on a yacht! Money is spent!

In other news. Espresso machine costs money! We don’t know how much it cost the company but we are going to say it’s a lot! Doors cost money too! We don’t know the cost but we will say that’s a lot as well!

BREAKING!: Desks cost money!

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Joe Blobers

Quote Thronde:”the source could be…”

In short there are nothing. There are yacht at 100K or 10M$… clearly this is not the later and who told you they rent it for 3 weeks and not 3 hours?
Do you know who paid the vacation tickets and how much they costs?
Do you know that free expresso machine and or snack to employee are the best financial return on investment (ROI) as employee are more productive and spend more time at the office without extra salary costs?

You just demonstrate that you have little understansing on how a company is working and know nothing about who spend what :)

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This argument works both ways and you know it, can you disprove it? Source? No, I didn’t think so. Lol

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Libel? lol

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the only source we would need for definitive answer is there accounts. other than that hearsay and conjecture and stuff you hear on the grape vine doesnt count

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Lies: He was millionaire before

So, millionaire becomes even richer? :-P

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Quote:”millionaire becomes even richer?”

Yea and CIG provide jobs to hundreds of others talented guys. I am really proud as a backers to participate to employees pay slip and get at the same time a game that no one else want to make!

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There is no “mod approval” policy before your post appears dsnart. You post, it’s there and usually the person you are replying to gets an email with a link to the post and the post.

I say usually because I think it is possible that the mods could delete fast enough before the server sends the reply to the person you are replying to. Speculation on my part on that. If it’s gone it’s getting deleted because the mods are hitting you with the delete hammer.

It would be nice if you stopped trolling DK though.

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I think he should be allowed to post, even if we don’t like what he says. I mean, I am on his side of the argument, but I find him annoying. Just because of that though his opinion should not be banned.

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fwiw he did seem to be evading an IP ban. but he still couldn’t keep his story straight either way and refused to address the substance of my reply, instead focusing on the trolling. so eff him. lol

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Oh look another Star Citizen article with comments from folks politely sharing their excitement for this upcoming game and actually discussing the article at hand.

*and then I woke up*

sigh no it is just the usual shit show with folks arguing over unimportant minutia that I already forgot about.

*wonders off to stare at some drying paint*

;-)

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I mean really. Legit criticism is one thing but all I see in every article is 90% grasping for straws just to be negative.

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How about a pair of dancing pigtails to cheer you up? <3

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I just heard the “I dream of Jeannie” theme song in my head

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Heh! That and the frenetic Pollock comment amused me. :)

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That was evil of you BBB. I started to read your post and was getting excited that I would be reading polite discussion of the pros, cons, likes, dislikes of SC’s development. Got my hopes up briefly as I was reading the opening remarks. lol

Now to ponder going off to join you watching paint drying or actually reading the thirty six posts. Temptation is a terrible thing…

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these MoP SC article comments sections have an MC Escher-like quality, warping around on themselves until I get dizzy

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Until his Warlord’ship shows up, then it becomes a frenetic Pollock! O.o

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or Munch

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Wait a minute, I’m confused here. Is Derek reporting good news and Deekay naysaying it? That’s a whole other bucket of popcorn, man. Mit der butta. Und caramel. Maybe even a Twix.

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that’s not derek smart. it’s a troll account that lampoons dsmart.

and i don’t see what’s good news about everyone but the people who paid for it getting hands on with this milestone first.

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Thanks for the clarification. I can only surmise that they need a highly controlled environment to “show” it, and letting actual backers download it, play it, and (almost certainly) break it would be unwise at this point.

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why would it be unwise to deploy it to the people who paid for it? and why would breaking it be any different than the last 3 years of milestone deployments?

i mean why the fuck does an alpha patch milestone need to be launch levels of polish to begin with?

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2 parts hubris, 1 part expectations

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it’s gotten silly for sure >>

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i find it hard to justify takingn developer resources to make a floor demo vertical slice whilst in the midst of mounting delays to bringing this version of the game to backers.

apparently any voicing of this on the subreddit is being heavily downvoted tho. becuase you know can’t have dissenting voices.

as cringy as demoing 2.6 at games com could’ve been, at least it would’ve been respectful towards backers to have their hands on 3.0 first. and if there had been nothing new to show it wouldn’t have been a waste of dev resources to you know not go to gamescom at all for once for an alpha state game who knows how many years away from launch.

but you know gottta reel in new customers to feed the beast as they say.

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”it would’ve been respectful towards backers to have their hands on 3.0 first.”

because you call several already 2.6 a mess and you certainly do not want 3.0 to add even more right?
You keep repeat in this comment section that it is a dev ressources waste to go to Gamescom… but which words would you had used if they do not show at Gamescom? Vaporware, terrible mess, scam? All of them?
Star Citizen is a crowdfunded game and as such it is mandatory to show publicly game status, whatever DK or JB think about it… beside that, this is paid by Subscribers and/or sponsor not backers.

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This isn’t a vertical slice. It’s the most recent build that QA took.

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and you’ve been since confirmed as being wrong about this. this is a vertical slice forked off actual development for this convention. and we’ve seen the limits and development involved for this demo, which my previous estimates based on the early first hand accounts is probably too generous for the time spent developing this vertical slice.

but maybe we can pull random reddit fanboy speculation in threads calling massively fake news as hard facts in contradiction to the initial first hand accounts out of our ass some more eh?

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No, they’ve stated several times today that it is the FULL build, with features turned off via dev console. No time was spent on this for the show.

You like to pretend you know things about game development – maybe you do – but you are far from the most knowledgeable here ;)

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i mean i just finished watching the stream for today and at no point did they say any of what you claim they did.

what they literally did say it was cut down and limited and that they made custom spawn points with a bunch of different vehicles at each.

jared literally said this multiple times during today’s stream.

while not a single time mentioning it’s the full build or anything about dev consoles. which the dev console thing would be something that would need to be developed specifically for this demo.

the only people saying this is a fuill build are random fanboys on the subreddit. literally. no one at CIG is saying that anywhere at all. and quite the contrary to that claim.

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At several points did they say *specifically* that. MULTIPLE TIMES. I don’t know if the VoD will be up, be my guest.

Also, have you ever been to a convention? Have you run a booth? Do you know how these demos are run in these environments, to maximum player turnover and get them dropped into the action?

Here’s the dev console: ~

Not all functions are available to you thanks to role-based access.

Enjoy.

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i’ve been watching the stream all morning.

jared literally reiterates what the demo is over and over again.

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i’d like to see a source on that. i’ve been following their twitter all day as well as our blog roll feed in irc and they haven’t communicated that through either of those channels.

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DK – I’ll use my usual course language…

It is damn shitty not to show backers first man.

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They demoed some of 3.0 at last years Gamescom, so some 3.0 would seem to be expected. But hands on feels like progress.

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Except that 3.0 is now obviously a scripted bullshot to sell ships, because A) none of that is even remotely present in this build, and B) if it was that polished a year ago, what the hell happened and where is it? Oh right, they suddenly decided to cut half the promised features of 3.0 out and remake it.

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I hope some of the stellar objects like nebula and such are in there so we can see people flying around and through them

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“that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”

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Are they planning on changing to the Gamescon schedule to a complete/outstanding issue tracker map?

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It was really cool to see a playable demo of 3.0, even if limited and with only a set of its features available, people were expecting just the live build of the game (2.6) so good thing they didn’t. With the live streams tomorrow we’ll see what of 3.0 they have to show, and what is in stock for the main event on the 25th.

As for those wondering when is 3.0 coming make sure to check the production report ( https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report ) as the update is currently in bug-fixing and working through blockers the burn down is updated on a weekly basis to report on progress and what’s left to do.

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It was really cool to see a playable demo of 3.0, even if limited and with only a set of its features available, people were expecting just the live build of the game (2.6) so good thing they didn’t.

I think many of us were prepared for the cringe factor of watching people play an outdated, buggy and boring v2.6.3 of Star Citizen. Had that happened, the project would have taken a hit regardless of what they presented on Friday. It was a huge sigh of relief to find out the booth was showcasing something new.

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i think it’s far more cringey that CIG will demo 3.0 to just about everyone but the people who paid to make it happen at all.

you know what CIG could’ve done if they didn’t have a 3.0 demo to put on the floor? not paid the expense of having an expensive floor room booth at a convention.

ahh but that makes too much sense to not spend other people’s money and to make the people who paid for this game a priority doesn’t it?

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”not paid the expense of having an expensive floor room”

Yes sure… and immediatly we would have some shooting:” look they cancelled it;.. this is the end… disrespect… scam”
You perfectly know it.

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You keep claiming that this is some sort of vertical slice 3.0 demo with absolutely nothing to back it up.

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got anything to back up that it’s not?

idk why you’d focus on such a thing, given vertical slices for floor demos/convention presentations is the norm.

it would be even worse if 3.0 is ready enough for randoms at a convention but not the backers who paid to make it happen.

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”it would be even worse if 3.0 is ready enough for randoms”

It is stated by Disco Lando this is a quite limited 3.0… and on top of that server rebooted every 15 minutes so more people can try it… No Deekay backers are not disrespected by CIG… and you know they saved on bandwith costs. You said yourself that CIG should have not intented Gamescom…

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and yet you’ve got fellow fanboys arguing it’s full release and massively are reporting fake news.

the cost of bandwidth to deploy this demo or 3.0 to backers and host the game servers is marginal compared to the raw costs of having a booth on a convention room floor let alone the cost of the demo machines, booth artwork panelling, developer presense, and development of the demo itself.

and there is no good reason to have a booth with a demo for this at this time. quite a few reasons not to. this is a new level of cynical short term sales first marketting.

but i know yall fanboys are just eating it up and rationalizing and harassing and downvoting anyone who voices anything to the contrary to your pie in the sky narrative as is routine.

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”yall fanboys are just eating it up and rationalizing and harassing and downvoting anyone who voices”

Do you know the so called fanboy do have a brain and can think by themself?

Gamescom has zero reason to be cancelled and that would be anyway a terrible signal (a good one for haters) as we would be served with a shitstorm of scam, vaporware and con…. despite being at few weeks of a major patch. You perfectly know it… and again Subscribers are paying the show not backers….
Are you a Subscriber? And to answer your inevitable question, yes I am because I want to support CIG and backers with an alternate option than buying ships I plan to get in game:)

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alternate opinion XD

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When your crowdfunding project is a runaway success, you’ll get to make those same kinds of decisions. And you’ll be in a strategic position to do so. Just like CIG is now.

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The only strategic position that CIG is filling with remarkable success is as loss leaders. Probably the greatests of our generation

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for the first couple years CR talked quite loudly to the media about being accountable to backers.

now he has a small number of backers helping silence anyone who wants them to act accountable to us.’

and at the estimated rates of spending this company goes through each month, they need some accountability.

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Quoter Deekay_Plus:”at the estimated rates of spending this company goes through each month”

CR is still accountable as per TOS, nothing more. Providing account information are not part of the deal and will never be and you know why. Vast majority of people would start to discuss about every single $ spend. Crowdfunding is not Democracy.

You want accountability? Fine do your own math. Do you think 400+ employees work for free? If the answer is no, you just find where the $ are going :)

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If he is, then why haven’t I received the financials promised under the TOS I agreed to during the kickstarter?

Oh, wait…

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Indeed, it’s happening slowly but it’s clearly getting there.

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I feel certain only .001% of us want this game to fail for some vindictive reason, the rest simply want the game we have been promised and that has been described. Any tangible evidence of that is going to be good news indeed.

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i agree up until the last sentence.

vertical slices for floor demos and presentations at conventions take developer resources away from the main development efforts. making this floor demo despite mounting nearly 9 month delayed deployment of this milestone to our desktop for marketting purposes to instead try to reel in new customers who might buy the game due to playing it at this convention is a slap in the face to long term supporters.

and what, those new customers will buy the game when they get home this week and log into the mess that is 2.6 and then wait patiently for the next however weeks and months of further delays happily? is that really a realistic expectation?

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Right from the developers mouths. The build they have at Gamescom is the whole current Alpha 3.0 build. It is NOT a vertical slice. It’s had Quantum travel and mobiglas turned off as some parts are unfinished.

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where did they say this?

if it has those things turned off then it’s a vertical slice. that is what a vertical slice is. are you really that daft?

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Quote Deekay_Plus:” is that really a realistic expectation?”

I think so. Why? New backers can dowload 2.6 which far to be a mess. Second they will get 3.0 in few weeks. You have been very vocal about 3.0 being delayed at the same time you call 2.6 “a mess”
… Do you understand now why they want to “polish” as much as possible 3.0 so old and new backers do have the best possible experience…

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why are they giving launch level polish to an ALPHA milestone patch?

do you realize how insane that is? no you don’t because you drink the koolaid.

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Because they have to? Honestly, what do you think would happen if they released a broken, buggy mess for 3.0?

They aren’t giving launch quality polish to the patch, because you know there are still going to be bugs with the launch of 3.0. They are getting rid of the major, game breaking bugs, like doors not being attached to a ship, ships falling through the ground, etc. You talk about being daft all over this thread, and I think you know better when it comes to this. Your impatience is getting the better of you, and we all know that the 2016 release for 3.0 was a bullshit date the moment those words were utter from Roberts’ mouth. Like I’ve said before, the July estimate was a much closer target date, and if CR had never opened his stupid mouth last year (and if people were smart enough to ignore anything date related that spews from his mouth) we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

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er i mean every single 2.x release has been a buggy broken mess.

why would it be a problem?

and we’ve still got people selling overly aggressive ETAs for 3.0 and beyond right here in this thread but worse to people that don’t follow the game at all.

and at some point you guys need to stop rationalizing and excusing CIG and CR giving obviously must be concious of bullshit dates and blaming bakcers for “have to know” that what? CIG is constantly lying to us about the current state of development and progress of development?

3.0 has been around the corner any minute now for 9 fucking months now. any minute now! with accompanying hype machine marketting on par with a in stone launch state release for it.

that’s not evne remotely healthy or consumer friendly business practice or open development to be strung along like that.

and again they have yet to release a deployment that wasn’t a buggy broken mess, why should this be any different? what justifies having launch levels of polish in an alpha milestone even remotely? some overwrought persecution complex and paranoia of bogeymen like dsmart and goons who are exactly zero effect on anyone outside their own circles wrt to doing anything with this game?

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3.0 has only been around the corner if you listened to CR. I, for one, stopped doing that well over a year ago. He’s just another Molyneux, saying whatever he can to get press coverage and build hype, no matter how much bullshit it may be. 3.0 releasing last year was a literal impossibility. There was no way that they were going to release 2.6, 2.7 and 3.0 in a 4 month window, and that people believed it could happen truly baffles me.

Again, 3.0 is not aiming for launch level polish, it is making sure the major game-breaking bugs have been taken care of. If you are flying your ship and the doors go away and you die because you no longer have any oxygen, the game is unplayable for you. Fixing that does not equal launch quality, it means making it playable. You, of all people here, can’t be that daft. Like you said, all previous patches have been buggy, but at the same time, they have been playable.

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it;s literally been constantly just around the corner on the “internal” schedule for months now.

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Deekay_Plus only in your world 2.6 is a broken mess… And during the “fucking” past months to use your words, CIG did not stop to work on both SQ42 and SC.
What you call Alpha polish is exactly what is supposed to be: reduce the “mess” factor as much as possible. That is very strange you don’t get it…

Damned if they do… damned if they don’t. Any choice would be a bad one in your mouth anyway :)

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the funnny thing about this line of argument is you have no idea what about 2.6 is a broken mess.

i’ll tell you straight up it’s not a matter of bugs or server/performance stability.

but you’d know that if you spent even one sixteenth of the time you spend spinning the reality of this game on the internet actually playing the game you clearly have no clue about. XD

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”if you spent even one sixteenth of the time you spend spinning the reality of this game ”

Cool down a bit man. I am a backer since mid 2013. Knowing my contribution to comments sections, I may have downloaded the game and played it more than once don’t you think so?

Your description of “2.6 is a broken mess” is not accurate. And please do not link to a youtube video where you see a spinning ship. This is a known bug on some ship… not a 2.6 broken mess :) Hence 3.0 patch… that will bring for sure new bugs.

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you really just do not know what makes 2.6 broken right now do you? XD

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What’s your educated guess on number of hours spent/wasted by department on making that demo? If they came out and told everyone it didn’t take anything meaningful away from SQ42 or a live 3.0 release, would you believe it?

Doing this isn’t at all unique to CIG, though. It’s a dumb practice shared by most of the industry.

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coming back to this after seeing the demo in action.

i would say there is more development effort put into this demo than originally estimated based on the early first hand accounts.

i originally thought there was alot less effort put into this demo but it looks like it’s got some serious work put into it that would not be present in the actual development build that we will get at some point.

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work that you think will ultimately be scrapped in favor of a live release build?

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well that’s the nature of such things.

tho i don’t think alllllll that much work did go into it, just maybe a few more hours over all to set up the custom spawn points and vehicle spawns and such and test.

most of the cost here is in the demo floor machines and server, the cost of the floor space, and the human resources of the booth.

which won’t be that much use after the convention (and would probably replaced by next gamescom, assuming they reuse them for citcon).

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i don’t have an educated guess about the manpower that went into this. it could’ve taken a single engineer an hour to whip up the limitations of the demo for all we know. and however many hours to set up those demo units and install the software/patch windows/etc amongst lower levle staff.

while certainly it’s fairly normal for in development games to be shown and even have floor demos years in advance of launch to guage some consumer reactions (which has value), the truth is doing it every year is prohibitively costly both on the bottom line and lost productive.

that they’re doing 3.0 on the floor in the face of delays bringing the milestone to backers, the people who paid for this game to exist at all, is what i take issue with.

and the whole idea that getting new customers with this demo isn’t going to go sour when those customers log into 2.6 and see that 3.0 is who know how far away but always right around the corner any minute now.

and i think if they don’t show sq42 in the friday night show they are in for a rough ride, but then same thing that’s happening now on the subreddit wrt to convention goers getting their hands on 3.0 before us backers could happen and they’d eat it up and defend it with downvotes. so who knows.

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I get why you take issue with it, but, I also think that if what they were letting people play there was also ready to go prime time on their live services, which you know is an entirely different thing from a backend infrastructure standpoint, then they would do it. They don’t like making us wait. I really don’t feel like they are intentionally giving backers the finger. What good would it do them to release it live on the PTU and it absolutely croaked and nothing worked? At least this way good footage of something that does work will make the rounds and people can see what the future should look like.

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that’s kind of what PTUs are for ;)

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lol well yeah but you know the difference is hundreds of thousands of eyeballs are on this thing rather than a few thousand and the bar they’ve created is detrimentally high for an alpha/beta status–and even then they still don’t even hit it as often as they would like when they DO release updates. I mean we all know it’s entirely their fault and they could change course and start releasing more frequently and that very likely could have very negative consequences. Holding onto it and release it early is a double edged sword.

It boils down to the size of the audience and how forgiving/unforgiving you know it will be at this point.

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good points in general i guess. in any case the vocal fandom seems to agree with cig, but we both know CIG can do no wrong by such people and anyone speaking otherwise are just “haters” who want to ruin the game.

meanwhile at least me myself just wanna play 3.0 already damnit. >>

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I do too, but I really want it with a proper character creator. That said, I may not really care much for toiling around asteroid belts and lifeless space stations but exploring the dark side of a moon and seeing that space vista up above will suit me for a couple hours a night :P

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It’s not only getting new customers, there are high expectations for Gamescom from the backers themselves. It’s unthinkable that they could just skip Gamescom or not work on anything specific to show and demo by saying “we’re focusing all our efforts in 3.0, sorry guys”, nope, it would not fly by. The hands-on some 3.0 is a necessary response, it would be worse if they didn’t.

From what I see most people do not expect SQ42 at Gamescom, not the vertical slice, more likely a trailer, they wouldn’t play the SQ42 here instead of Citizencon.

Either way they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t, so they’re just letting the salt rage on.

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focusing all their efforts on 3.0 instead of going to a convention just to go to a convention in spite of mounting delays would’ve been alot more respectable.

this only preaches to the choir by which CIG can do no wrong no matter what they do at this point and repeatedly prove it.

from what i see alot of people feel an sq42 gameplay demo was overdue last year when it didn’t happen at the last minute and aren’t going to be happy if there isn’t one on friday.

but i’m sure as with this floor demo the vocal visible fandom won’t care no matter what they show or don’t show this friday. the echo chamber has already made up it’s mind to give CIG every foreseeable pass possible.

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Quote Deekay_Plus:”the vocal visible fandom won’t care no matter what they show”

Do not worry Deekay. I give at best a week before we start to see “where is this damned 3.0 patch” and just after release… “why don’t we have 3.1 yet? Delay!!”

… And up to 4.0 by end of 2018… and this is directly coming from my crystal ball :)

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Meh, that would be nothing but a massive fuel for the haters and so forth to claim how not attend the event only shows how bad and awful everything and proclaim the incoming collapse of the project, etc… the usual fear monger campaign.

It’s again damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

As for SQ42 don’t think so, many people have been discussing this and don’t expect the actual gameplay demo at Gamescom, it wouldn’t make much sense either with the whole 3.0 around and when Citizencon is right after (and 3.0 can very much be released by then), playing the SQ42 card now would probably mean nothing in hold for Citizencon.

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who gives a shit what the “haters” have to say. and you do know this is worse in that regard right? that just going to these cons all the time despite increasing delays is worse than not going right? if CIG have backed themselves into a corner here it’s on them, not anyone else.

and don’t hold your breath on 3.0 being out by citcon. the problem with giving even reasonable ETAs to yourslef about this game is that you’re probably going to be dissapointed by them.

i would’ve thought that based on CIG’s communications to us 3.0 should be already out last month, but i was wrong to think that. even if it was based on CIG’s communications.

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mauzao9

I’m not basing myself on their dates, as they have cut them and added the burndown ( https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report ) it’s far easier to see what’s the progress and what’s left, in terms of issues/blockers. Then you add Evocati that realistically could last a month and it’s realistic that at least one open-PTU can be given by Citcon.

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deekay_plus

our estimates were based on the schedule too.

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Hirku

And some of us just don’t give a crap either way. : )

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DoomSayer

Agree with you 100%.

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Lethality

But, They reset it since it’s a 15 minute play session for the show floor, not because of a technical reason (although I’m sure it helps!)!

And they disable QD on the server at runtime.

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Darkwalker75 .

While I don’t usually agree with what @deekay_plus is saying, while technically you are correct, in this case he actually does have a point.

They specifically stated in the video you linked that they have disabled QD and referred to it as a “Sandbox Arena”, they also said they reset it every 15 minutes.

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deekay_plus

not once do they mention this magical dev console.

idk what you think a vertical slice is. but this is what a vertical slice is.’

the only one spamming ignorance here is you. please educate yourself so you can save yourself further embarassment.

you literally spammed the same time stamp multiple times proving what i said was correct and that your claims were a fiction.

but when you make up bullshit like you did without an actual source, that happens. it’s the reason why i asked you for a source last night and why you were unable to provide one last night. because this morning was the first time anyone at CIG said anything, and they confirmed what i was saying correct.

now probably not much work went into this vertical slice from what’s actively in development for us backers, but that doesn’t change what it is.

now go back to your troll hole bro.

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Lethality

GO check my karma and reddit and see what I think of that place.

I feel you spammed ignorance earlier, so I decided to spam you with the facts now.

How you can interpret this any other way than what is said, you’re delusional. And keep watching, there’s at least 6 more instances of it,

Theis is not a vertical slice, this is not a limited build any more than any other game on that show floor. Fact.

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deekay_plus

for someone cherry picking like a mad man out of that statement you sure did feel the need to spam it repeatedly like you won a prize by proving my claims correct.

because you know, what he said is actually far more in line with what i said than what you claimed it was.

whcih let’s be real here bro, you were pulling your original claim out of reddit’s ass before you had this video available. admit it. just admit and move on.

this is a limited build. this is what a vertical slice is. welcome to gaming convention demos since the 90s.

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deekay_plus

you should listen to the whole of what he says there because it’s not what you claim it is.

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