ArcheAge subreddit clarifies P2W censorship; Trion bans exploiters

    
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Another day, another Reddit drama, although the one swirling around ArcheAge appears to be coming to a middle. In a message titled Transparency is key, and so is freedom of speech, the mods who outlawed pay-to-win discussion on the ArcheAge subreddit earlier this week have now apologized… to those who erroneously thought they were banning accounts. They’re not banning you, see; they’re just sending all of your P2W messages through a spam filter first and then deleting anything they decide is spam or disruptive. Also all your past messages on the subject. Yeah, so that part is still happening.

Instead of declaring that ArcheAge is totes not pay-to-win so shut up, the new AutoModerator spam filter auto-reply now reads,

P2W discussion is currently moderated in the ArcheAge sub-reddit. We’ve recently been hit with an increased amount of spam accounts. Your thread has been filtered for a keyword that reaches this criteria. Your post will be approved if it is not found to be within spam criteria and is a well-thought-out discussable topic about P2W. If you still see this post about an hour later, it may have been caught within spam guidelines and the thread will remain as a deleted topic. Feel free to appeal to the moderators if you think this is wrong. We’re sorry we have to do this, our goal is for more unique discussions.

The mods “did not wish to create an automatic filter,” understand, but “to prevent the ongoing spam that is being brought upon to this community, [they] have to.” “Our goal was not to censor topics,” they write, blaming statements like “any new threads asking about the game and if it is P2W will be removed automatically” they made earlier this week on a “poor choice of words.”

Meanwhile, over on Trion’s official ArcheAge forums, Community Manager Scapes has wrapped up the saga of the game’s recent honor and experience exploit by announcing multi-day suspensions and bans for those involved.

We’re issuing 72-hour suspensions for all accounts involved in the exploit. During this time, a Game Master evaluates how egregiously the account used the exploit. If the account generated a highly abusive amount of honor using the exploit or if it transferred honor-bought goods to another account in an attempt to obscure their activity, it will be permanently banned. For less extreme offenders, any honor sold for gold will result in that gold being removed from their inventory, any honor-bought items (titles, mounts, etc.) will be deleted including items socketed with ill-gotten gems, and all accrued honor will be reset to zero. The least egregious offenders whose gameplay data shows they didn’t do anything malicious with their minimal honor gains will be issued a warning and may also have their honor reset to zero. The 72-hour suspensions may be extended while these evaluations proceed.

The exploit has already been blocked on live servers.

Source: /r/archeage /r/mmorpg, official forums. Thanks, Sharon.
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Rogbarz There are already laws against hacking. The problem is it’s nearly impossible to catch anyone in the act. A savvy hacker will falsify every piece of information used to access a service illegitimately, right down to the IP address their connection originates from. In a lot of cases, the trail ends on some poor, innocent rube’s computer.

As for laws governing how companies handle MMO’s, this is an absolute MUST. Many of these games are offering gambling services (lockboxes, among other “non-essential” services) to people under the age of majority. Not sure about where you’re from, but that’s very illegal in Canada, where I live (offering gambling, not the lockboxes unfortunately). 

And that’s just the suface of it all. Some of the practices of these MMO developers are just shy of full on extortion. They use real bait-and-switch tactics to lure in unsuspecting customers, many far too young to realise what’s happening, then target them with a barrage of ways they could be enjoying the game more if only they paid for it. It would be like going into an Ice-cream store that had a “Free Ice-cream” sign on the window, but when you got in you found out the cone cost $20.

Laws governing the Free-to-play label are what’s really needed. Basically, make it so that any game with a cash shop of any kind cannot label their game as “free”. The ever so tiny “with in app purchases” you see at the bottom rarely captures the true nature of the payment model of a game. If a company wanted to advertise their game as free, they’d need to prove that it was possible to actually enjoy the game for an average player without spending money on it. I doubt it would change how the games are developed, but it would certainly do more to ensure people were properly informed about a game’s actual payment model before investing their time. Every company in the world will tell you time is money, and when these games lure people in with false promises, they waste the person’s time, and therefore, by the company’s own logic, are stealing money from their customers.

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Rogbarz It’s such a shame as well, back when they only had rift they were probably one of the better companies out there.

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keysmachine of course a holy sword of shut the fuck up is pay to win but not the ONLY thing. You’re cute when attempting reading comprehension.

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Carthoris breetoplay Gottphoenix A_Dad Supreme Yeah, they merged everything into Engadget. It’s a mess. Categories got wiped, so it’s hard to find columns, but they are there. Jef helpfully tagged his columns well, so we have all of his under tags like that one. You can search by editor as well. And this tool rocks:
http://sunderdome.com/massively/

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Five bucks say the threshold is three words and among those filtered is: pay, to, win, p2w, compete, competitive, advantage, whales, fair, fairness, censorship, right, wrong, mod, mods,moderation, overboard, unethical, fascism,debate, coverup,and discussion.

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breetoplay Gottphoenix A_Dad Supreme Whoa, are all the old columns stored over there?

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Benthalak “Well we were just countering spam!” yet you can buy upvotes on ebay and
there is an entire industry that makes a business out of shilling shit
on every social media platform imaginable.
Yes, because it’s Reddit’s fault that people try to manipulate the system. And it’s totally worse than sites like MOP openly selling advertising space.
Fuck that pretentious hell hole.
Pretentious? Well, I know someone who doesn’t use Reddit.

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Gottphoenix A_Dad Supreme No, it wasn’t. You have grossly mischaracterized not only that article, but all of the rest of our coverage and our old column too – http://www.engadget.com/tag/lost-continent/

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I love how the favorite defense for anything on reddit is “Well we were just countering spam!” yet you can buy upvotes on ebay and there is an entire industry that makes a business out of shilling shit on every social media platform imaginable. Fuck that pretentious hell hole. Go die already and let people flock to the next big shiny.

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Another day another fail by trion, this company should just call it a day. They did so much damage to their name (brand) that even bringing out a new mmo would not fix it. This could be the best mmo around even they are done. With Archeage they had gold in their hands, this could easily be one of the best mmo’s in recent years. But bad management and communication and a bad paymentmodel ruined it. 
In the beta I had a feeling this game would be perfect even in Alpha i thought that. Game launched and it was a huge scam. In my opinion the US and the EU and etc, should make laws regarding mmo’s and against hackers on them. But also against companies. Like they have in south Korea