Shots are still being fired in the Oculus/ZeniMax lawsuit

    
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All right. The Oculus/ZeniMax lawsuit ended, ZeniMax was awarded $500 million in Oculus money by the courts, and while the plaintiffs got less than what they had initially asked for, they did get the satisfaction of winning. That’s enough, right? We’re done with this story?

Oh, not even close. No, John Carmack, CTO of Oculus, yesterday made a public statement on Facebook claiming that everything ZeniMax argued in court was a series of lies designed to obfuscate the fact that he had never done anything wrong at all. You can read the whole response on his Facebook page, which does little to change the outcome of a trial that has already concluded and is now being waged purely in the court of public opinion.

ZeniMax issued a brief statement in response, which may be summarized in brief as, “We won, you lost, STFU noob.” As Oculus plans to appeal the ruling, the battle over public opinion is relevant, but the fact remains that both sides are still sniping at one another in a somewhat passive-aggressive fashion. Break out the popcorn; this ride isn’t over yet.

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Jeff

I just don’t see the appeal going well for Facebook, Carmack has a large foot print of questionable behavior……Meanwhile Zen is taking the high road…….oh and insulting the jury’s intelligence never has or will work in your favor.

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Armsbend

If I were going to appeal a case later I think the least intelligent thing I could do is to rant and rave on facebook about the case. His lawyers should have hit him in the mouth with a hammer.

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Xijit

I really hope that all of this is finally enough to make people see how truely terrible ZeniMax / Bethesda really is.

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Loopy

Winning in court after all evidence is presented makes them terrible?

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Xijit

They got bent over and spanked: the only thing that they got to stick is that Ocuclus used promo images of Doom 3 BFG before the contract was finalized.

… No way in hell is the appeals court going to uphold $500 mill for that.

I doubt Zenimax will get $5 mill by the time this is through.

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Loopy

Aside from your obvious bias, it still doesn’t explain how they’re terrible?

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Sally Bowls

If you want even more speculation: what do you think this means for Zenimax Media? Their co-founder and CEO, Wonder Woman’s husband, is 70. So we could have a change of leadership and $500,000,000 dollars burning a hole in their pocket – that could make for some “interesting” decisions.

P.S.: for MMO companies, I am reminded of the joke where someone asks the farmer what would he do if he won a million dollars. He thinks for a moment and says “I guess I would just keep farming until it was gone.”

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mcsleaz

“We won, you lost, STFU noob.”

lmao, this made my day, lolol.

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Sray

Ohhh, a personal Facebook statement. Both legally admissible and highly professional.

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Armsman

As mentioned in the article, this all has another year or two to go depending on how far they get in the Appeals process and what an Appeals court says. And BTW if the decision/award is reversed/lowered on an appeal the other party can appeal to a higher court…all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. And if it goes that far and they decide not to hear it – the last Appeals ruling from the highest Appeals court to judge the case stands; and they’re done.

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starbuck1771

Yes but on the other hand the Court of Appeals could overturn the decision in favor of Zenimax saying that there was more to it then infringement and increase the amount awarded. Carmack’s rant on facebook says anything but innocent to me.

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odin valhalla

Im not real happy with Zenimax at the moment but on this issue there was no way they could loose really. Im glad they got satisfaction via the courts. Intellectual property, code, files whatever are trade assets and regardless of how I feel about Zenimax as a gamer, its never the wrong time to do the right thing.

This decision was the right thing.

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Sally Bowls

I don’t understand your “Intellectual property, code, files whatever are trade assets ” My understanding was that FB et al were completely cleared of anything along those lines, the 1/2 billion was just for copyright/NDA violations.

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Utakata

“…John Carmack, CTO of Oculus, yesterday made a public statement on Facebook claiming that everything ZeniMax argued in court was a series of lies designed to obfuscate the fact that he had never done anything wrong at all.”

Accusing them of lying under oath is a pretty serious accusation though….and presuming that’s how that works. o.O

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Tanek

Plus, would that not have been a defense during the trial? All I heard at the time was that it was admitted he did take code, but said none of that was used.

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starbuck1771

Yup and if he can’t prove it they can be sued further so Zuckerberg needs to muzzle his dogs as he has enough legal issues as it is.

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Space Captain Zor

IDK about all this Oculus business, but I will say what I think Carmack DID do wrong was staying in the games industry for this long.

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Modrain

Curious about the reasons that would make you say that?

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Space Captain Zor

Every game I played from id software that he had a hand in since Quake 3 Arena (which was all of them except RAGE) was pretty lackluster imo. He, and/or id software, could not evolve their own game design while he was there. I dunno if that was coincidence or directly related. And I absolutely hated the engine DOOM 3 and whatever came after ran on.

I’m sure he’s a fine software engineer who definitely earns credit for the pioneering he did early on but I don’t think he kept pace with the industry very well.

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deekay_plus

it’s funny after more than a decade of setting himself up to take all the credit for every id game then shirking off the blame when each game gets panned the first id game without his work is legit GOTY material.

guy should’ve gone to spacex but there’s also not really room for rockstars in rocket science so maybe he’d be a poor fit with musk filling up every room he walks into. i mean who in that segment would hang on every tweet he posts like in vidya gaemz?

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agemyth 😩

I’ve never heard of him claiming to have done much design work, but I admit I could easily be unaware of some of his history. The work he (and the teams he led) did on all the id Tech engines and the netcode in their early online games was amazing and deserving of praise to this day.

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Herro Mongorian

Carmack at SpaceX? lol naw.

First we’d pick his brain for all the useful bits, then we’d tear his soul to shreds. Big egos are targets.