The Daily Grind: Will you kickstart any MMOs in 2018?

I didn’t back a single video game in 2017, which is a first for me. The year before, I backed Hero’s Song, and we all know how that ended. I’m looking forward to a few of the games I backed actually coming to fruition this year, like Crowfall and Shroud of the Avatar, while others, like TUG, I just figure represent money I’ll never see paid back in game form. Lesson learned, right?

It’s not as though there weren’t epic games rolling out last year, either; Ashes of Creation, one of the biggest MMOs ever on Kickstarter, owned a lot of headlines last year and it looks really great, but ultimately I decided that I’d just rather wait until it’s actually ready before leaping in. I’m not swearing off the platform on purpose, just more willing to be cautious and patient. Others of you, I know, are over and done with Kickstarter, either because you’re fed up or because you’ve been genuinely burned. And still others are hoping for a revolution in the genre and will gladly throw money at it – if it will just show up.

Will you Kickstart any MMOs in 2018?

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KryptonianGL

I’ve backed many games in the past few years and IMHO, none have turned out to be worthy of the amount of money I’ve spent backing them. I was particularly unhappy that Marvel Heroes — a game I backed in the amount of $200 or more — is no longer even playable.

Thank God I didn’t back a couple of other games out there like Everquest Next or else I’d really be ticked!

However, with all that said, there are still 2 games remaining of those I’ve already backed: Camelot Unchained and Ashes of Creation. Fortunately, both those games are from development talent with a history for producing quality MMOs, so I feel pretty confident having invested money in both those games. Could they still fail? Possibly!…but I was willing to take the risk.

As of now, barring a release of another quality Star Wars, DC/Superhero, or D&D MMO, I’m not planning on investing any more money into any MMO kickstarter. As much as I am dying for the next great MMO, I’m tired of wasting money on unworthy contenders.

I will say, I like where CU and AoC appear headed and it seems the idea behind the development of both those games is dedicated specifically at players like me that are tired of the direction MMOs have been taken in the past several years. So, we shall see!

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Steven Duncan

I am willing to back MMOs on kickstarter in the coming year if it interests me
I backed Hex TCG for way to much, but, play it multiple times per week.
I backed Shroud of the Avatar, and just logged out of it, right before coming here.
I also backed Camelot Unchained, which I have high hopes for.
That said, I was familiar with Cryptozoics board games, and they where making Hex.
Lord British, very familiar name to me. And ultima online was my first online MMO I ever played.
Mark Jacobs is a familiar name back from when I played Dark Age of Camelot, so his running the project for Camelot Unchained seemed a reasonable bet for me.

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Daniel Miller

I backed about 60 in 2017. Most single player or vn’s

I never jump on the big huge games. I backed 80 projects since 2016. None have gone bad.

Sure a few project revive, edge of eternity, have had issues but i backed them long after ks. CoE CU, i backed on ks. But I am smart enough to know a mmo backed takes three to five years to play. And I only buy base games. Never go beyond that.

Chronicles of Elyria MMO
Camalot Unchained MMO
LEGRAND LEGACY – Tale of the Fatebounds
Astoria
Sunless Skies 
Banner Saga 3, 2, 1
A Clockwork Ley-Line – A Visual Novel Trilogy
Valthirian Arc: Red Covenant – Academy for Heroes
A Grand Entrance for Visual Novel Grisaia: Phantom Trigger
Crystalline
Fatal Twelve 
Mages of Mystralia
Sacred Fire: Psychological RPG about revenge and loyalty
Chuusotsu – 1st Graduation – A Visual Novel with Philosophy
AIdol: Artificial Intelligence Idol – A Visual Novel
Minotaur: a point and click visual novel
On Earth As It Is In Heaven – A Kinetic Novel
Eternal Hour
Hoshizora No Memoria
Ramen no Oujisama / The Ramen Prince 
Medieval Shopkeeper
Grisaia: Phantom Trigger Vol.3
Episicava Vol. 1 – A Visual Novel Action/Adventure Epic
ARCANA HEART 3 LOVE MAX SIX STARS!
A Wonderful Welcome for Visual Novel Wonderful Everyday
The Masquerade Killer – Otome Game / Visual Novel
Zold:out – Innovative Anime Style TRPG
Reverie: A Heroes Tale
Neolithic : First City-States – A Historical Strategy Game
Celestian Tales: Realms Beyond
Oakwood Academy of Spells and Sorcery – Visual Novel
Celestian Tales
Artificer – The science of magic
Chemically Bonded VN
My Time at Portia – An Enchanting Sandbox Simulation RPG
Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark – Classic Turn-based Tactical JRPG
RealMyha
Where Poppies Grow
Deiland RPG
When Days Rewind Special: Senji’s School Trip.
Grisaia: Phantom Trigger Vol.4
Our Feelings – Visual Novel
The Ballad Singer – Write your own fantasy story!
Princess Guard 

See all are delivered or on there way.

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Armsbend

“THE DAILY GRIND: WILL YOU KICKSTART ANY MMOS IN 2018?”

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Duane Does not check email

Not for mmo type games. I will crowdfund smaller games that can turn around in a couple years or lesser.

My heart is not up for any more undelivered promises after 5+ years.

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MesaSage

Kickstarter is SO 2015. ICO’s are where it’s at.

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angrakhan

I think I’m done with Kickstarters. Of the games I’ve kickstarted only one currently holds any promise of releasing what was originally promised: Camelot Unchained in a reasonable timeframe. Assuming City State delivers (and every indication is that they will in 2018 some time) then that will be one game of quite a few that paid off. That’s a really bad win/loss ratio on my part.

Star Citizen *may eventually* deliver on this impossible dream of Chris Roberts but if it does it will be many years in the future. Honestly I’ve written that money off as lost, but I’m hoping for the sake of the 100k+ other backers that it’s not. I’m certainly done investing in it unless they can deliver something better than the current Alpha 3.0 dumpster they put on the live servers over Christmas.

Chronicles of Elyria seems to be vaporware, and the more they talk about the game the less interesting it sounds to me. The one gameplay video of that dungeon they showed was utterly ‘meh’ in my book. If they gave refunds I’d look into it.

The Repopulation… wow… yah, they got me. What else… oh yah Firefall. That’s $100 I’ll never get back.

I’m just at the point now I need to see a finished product before I put my money down, and I’m OK if I have to put down more than I would if I had Kickstarted. I’m willing to pay more for a sure thing than less for a maybe 1 in 5 chance of seeing a finished product.

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Armsbend

You got snookered on Elyria. That one was so obvious I can’t believe they raised over a million bucks. All of it is going to be stolen and then some.

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Loopy

Unless something really fits a specific niche that appeals to me, or i find that its features are extremely promising, then i’m almost positive i won’t.

Majority of Kickstarter games that are under development at this point are heavily geared towards either PVP, crafting, or survival-style games, and those simply don’t appeal to me.

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oldandgrumpy

No. Star Citizen taught me a good lesson about crowd funding.

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Peregrine Falcon

Kickstarter combines the worst features of pre-orders with lockboxes. Put in a ton of money and maaaybe you’ll get a game and maaaaybe you’ll get ripped off.

No thanks. I don’t pre-order and I don’t buy lootboxes. MOP’s the only thing I’ve ever kickstarted and it will probably stay that way.

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Rolan Storm

I might. Most kickstarters I participated in were successful. Guess I was lucky.

Except for ‘Greed Monger’. But come on, I knew that deep down. Nothing with ‘greed’ in a title will pan out good.

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NeoWolf

I will continue to back kickstarts which interest or appeal to me as I have since it started. It is however important to always remember with Kickstarting that you are investing in the HOPE of success, not the Guaruntee of it. So I as everyone else should will only be spending what I am willing to lose.

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rawhunger

Nope. I don’t gamble with my money.

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thalendor

It depends entirely on if there’s anything being kickstarted in 2018 that both appeals to me and can convince me it has a reasonable chance of success. Honestly, I’m guessing there won’t be any MMOs that meet that criteria in 2018 just because it’s uncommon that any MMO kickstarters meet those expectations (Star Citizen and Pantheon are the only MMOs I’ve backed). It’s far more likely that there will be some non-MMO kickstarters I’ll back just due to those being more common. I do accept some of those will never come to fruition, but given much of the credit for the revival of certain styles of single-player RPGs is largely, IMO, due to crowdfunding I’m not about to give up on it due to some projects failing.

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blah blazh

nothing really stands out for me to kickstart. I’m more of a finished product type of person anyway. When they are in a fun playable state, I’ll give them some money at that time.

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draugris

I am thinking of backing up Pantheon.

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Sally Bowls

I sure hope not. At least for MMOs. There is a case for considering it for board games, mobile games, physical non-gaming devices. The scope, scale and customer base of MMOs just strikes me as incompatible with crowdfunding. Or at least unlikely enough for me not wanting to risk my money.

On a couple of podcasts ago, Bree made some comment along the lines of “why would you get involved with that existing game when there are a few new Kickstarters in the works” That surprised me. IMO, that is a reasonable attitude, but certainly not the only attitude. I think my extreme skepticism of crowdfunded MMOs is at least as reasonable of attitude.

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Castagere Shaikura

Non interest me so no.

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Oleg Chebeneev

I only funded one game ever. As you can guess its Star Citizen.
Its a very rare case and I funded it like 2 years after kickstarter ended, when developer earned my trust.
New case is unlikely but if someone comes with something remarkable, I will support them. I particularly want to see new MMOs built around VR and not looking like minecraft of LEGO land.

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Joshua Dickerson

I’m honestly done with the Kickstarter phase.

I am a backer for Star Citizen and I remember backing Crowfall. But that is enough for now. I already play BDO full time and have a host of other games I can reinstall when I get bored.

Honestly i’d rather spend the kickstarter money on something more immediate. Or just invest the kickstarter money in actual stocks.

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Armsbend

Better investment for sure. Want to see a cool tech future, including games? Invest in Nvidia. Oh, and you just got a 200% return.

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Tobasco da Gama

Maybe? Depends on what MMO kickstarters show up in 2018. Like, if Ascent: The Space Game’s James Hicks launched a Kickstarter for something next year, I’d be all over that.

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James Hicks

Unlikely but you never know.

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Toy Clown

I’ve seen too many MMOs that started off on kickstarter never see the light of day. I’ve also watched shoddy practices develop at an alarming rate in the MMO industry designed as money grabs. Even if I had more disposable income, I don’t think I would financially support unreleased MMOs. I prefer to give MMOs my money AFTER they’ve released and are giving me a product to enjoy. Sadly, I realize a lot of people don’t want to support an MMO after release, and it’s led to the industry being what it is today.

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Nick // Genghis

I have an embarassing amount of money in Star Cit, Camelot Unchained, and Crowfall already. Only games I’m looking forward to supporting and playing are Ashes of Creation, Chronicles of Elyria, and possibly Pantheon. All granted I see more of their progress and actual system details about mechanics and gameplay etc. They look cool, but so did SC and it still runs like a hot pile of poo on my pretty modern rig. Time will tell but I’ve got my money where I want it for now. Only other would be Dauntless because I want my Monster Hunter itch scratched pretty bad right now. (and I realize that is a founders pack not kickstarter)

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Armsbend

You know you will be able to scratch your Monster Hunter itch with Monster Hunter like …almost now right?

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Nick // Genghis

I haven’t owned a console in over 8 years. So no it wont, I will still be waiting for a PC release of MHW.

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Armsbend

Isn’t it really soon though? with the console date in under a month I’d think pc will be close behind – not months and months apart.

To me, the only way Dauntless will make sense is if MHW has an abominable pricing structure.

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Nick // Genghis

Unannounced release date. Yes first part of 2018 but still no concrete date. I imagine it will be similar to GTA about 3 to 6mo post console release.

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Fervor Bliss

Has any kickstarter MMO ever done everything they said?
No more kickstarters No more early access. (looking at you Landmark )
Prove to me you have a viable product.

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Schmidt.Capela

A pure MMO: I’ve never backed one of those, and never will. Nor will I ever back any game where the dev doesn’t promise to release a DRM-free version. Crowdfunding is already risky enough without the added risk of the dev folding up after release and taking the game/DRM servers offline.

A MMO/Single Player hybrid game: I used to back those. I don’t think I will ever back any of them again, though, not after that scam that was Elite: Dangerous.

So, for the last few years, and for the foreseeable future, I only back on Kickstart games that are designed to be played offline first, where online modes are at most an optional game mode. If the game would require connecting to a server in order to play, I will never back it.

Or, in other words: no, I won’t kickstart a MMO. Never again.

As far as early access, I might take part in a MMO’s one, but I will regard the game as if it was a released one. Which means for MMOs I require not only something playable, but fully enjoyable. I don’t have the same restriction for DRM-free offline games, though.

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Space Captain Zor

Eh, maybe. I have only ever backed Star Citizen/SQ42 and W40k Eternal Crusade. I think the rollercoaster of dealing with SC development is enough to handle for now. I was close to backing Battletech but I’m feeling confident they don’t need my money. Pretty much the same with other projects I have any interest in.

If something else comes along that I absolutely need and publishers won’t fund then sure I will consider it if the group that wants to make it can convince me of their good faith and competence to get it done.

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Armsbend

I’ll never kickstart any game ever. Someone could develop a game called “This One Is For You, Armsbend” and I wouldn’t give them a red cent.

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Sorenthaz

Probably not unless something stands out.

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Utakata

Probably not this year…

…unless MassivelyOP gets hit with another unforeseen financial “rug-pulled-from-under-it” crises. Let’s hope not!

“But MOP is not a MMO, Uta.”

It isn’t? o.O

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Pandalulz

More social than an MMO. :p

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Schmidt.Capela

For Socializer-archetype players, the required core elements for an enjoyable MMO are some way to communicate with other players and a good community. I believe MOP fulfills those core requirements.

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Sray

No, at least not any MMOs. I don’t believe that crowdfunding is the proper means of securing funding for a complex game type like a MMO; which then means a funding campaign for a MMO is either a publicity stunt, or a way of proving interest to real investors. I have no intention of directly paying to be advertised to, nor do I want to back a project that investor demands can (and likely will) significantly change the final product to something quite different from what was pitched.

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Robert Mann

Maybe. IF something else that offers me some interesting ideas comes along. Likely, my interest will be minimal unless they also note that the ‘rewards’ for major backers are more physical/cosmetic. I don’t mind time with the devs hanging out and chatting. I don’t mind shiny outfits. I DETEST in game power-play.

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Melissa McDonald

As far as I know there is only one category that would get me excited enough to help fund it… an MMO with playable monster races.

Imagine melding The Secret World with Vampire: The Masquerade. Throw in a little bit of Underworld and Van Helsing.

Playable monster races like vampire, werewolf, undead (mummy, zombie, etc.), lab-created (Frankenstein or cyborg), along with some standard things like humans.

I’d totally contribute to something fresh like that.

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rafael12104

I will contribute to CU and Project Gorgon. Yup.

And, it won’t matter to me if it is in the form of a “patron bundle” or not. My contributions are not about what I get as a head start or in game bonuses. The money is simply to support games that are, IMO, doing things right with their players in mind.

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deekay_plus

at mr jacob’s behest i’m waiting til open beta/nda drop for CU. prject gorgon has a lot of charm and i’ll have to take a look at it again closer to it being ready to launch but not sure it’s for me.

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Zen Dadaist

I’m waiting for open beta for CU too. I have high hopes and if it turns out to be delivering then I’ll add to the kickstarter.

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Rheem Octuris

Nope.

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jikap

If an MMO that seems like it will be good shows up then… yea, I might throw some money at it.
I’ll most likely stick to lower tiers though. Enough for the main game and perhaps beta access.

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Bryan Correll

Probably not. But the right team with the right pitch could win me over.

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Arktouros

Like all years before: Nope.

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Pandalulz

Haven’t kickstarted any MMO style games since throwing my initial $30 to SC. Nothing is changing this year. To restate, I don’t really have faith that you can build a long running service style game on a single cash infusion.
On the single player front, I backed all my nostalgia years ago and those have pretty much paid out by this point. So KS has run its course for myself. I never really got burnt, just lost interest. Realized I don’t want to see the man behind the curtain.

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deekay_plus

perhaps maybe if they reach a publicly playable early access state and the buy in value is decent and the EA state looks decent and i’m not doing anything else that week and additionally if friends are on board to give it a go.

but rather unlikely to do any kickstarter.com or indiegogo campaign presales marketting stunt shit. and extremely unlikely to prebuy anything before there’s something playable immidiately and instantly upon purchase.

if in the case of steam early access version i may possible buy the much talking about but nakedly bad games like hero’s song so abundantely was just to explore and demo to friends just how excessively bad they are. and then get a refund if possible. but i’m less keen on doing that again unless my friends are showing interest.

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Lethality

All of them.

Because I guarantee there isn’t a new triple A MMO we’re going to have an opportunity to buy in 2018. And the big publishers aren’t interested in delivering any advancements in the genre anyway.

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Utakata

You throw a lot of money at things. O.o

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Lethality

I just prefer to give the things I want and the people trying to make them a chance, rather than just bending over and taking more of the same by the “safe” bets of big studios.

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Utakata

I am not sure that analogy is needed or appropriate here.

That said though, I tend to fund/try out what I like. If it doesn’t work out, then my funding goes else where. I don’t know if that’s any more or less noble or ignoble than what you do. /shrug :)

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Bryan Correll

All of them.

Even Crowdfunding Scam Online?

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Modrain

Probably not. It’s not a closed door, but what I expect from a video game Kickstarter, especially an MMO, is first and foremost a playable version, similarly to what did Project Gorgon and OrbusVR. Few campaigns have that, and I’m not interested in backing ideas, so there are not many candidates in the first place.
I’m certainly willing to push further those who have demonstrated that they can concretize their ideas, though.

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BalsBigBrother

While I often say “never say never” I do feel like I am done with the whole Kickstarter / early access stuff at least as far as gaming goes and have been for a long time.

The be in at the ground floor and help shape how a game is made all sounds good in theory and it may even be of benefit to the devs. However at my end of the equation in practise it really isn’t worth the hassle and wasted time it all eventually boils down to.

I have plenty of stuff I can play and enjoy now that doesn’t involve progress wipes and wholesale changes of direction. At best if a kickstarter idea is good I will keep an eye on it but I won’t be putting money into it until the project is at least guaranteed wipe free.

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cmdr_cotic

It really depinds on who it is and what they’re proposing but as I haven’t kickstarted any MMOs so far I doubt I’ll start now.

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Tizmah

Absolutely. I love throwing actual hard earned money away! /s

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Stormwaltz

Depends on the pitch?

But given the fact that that none of the MMGs I’ve crowdfunded in the past ~5 years have actually released, it’s doubtful.

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Ravven

No. I think Star Citizen has caused me to regard to crowdfunded games very negatively, and after supporting the ill-fated Revival by buying a huge and very expensive house (yeah, not Kickstarter, but still) I really don’t want to throw money at companies that may or may not really need it, and that may or may not actually ship a game.

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pepperzine

Absolutely not. So many games are waiting in development limbo. Why put another batch of cookies in the oven when you still don’t even know if the first batch is going to be good.

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