Star Citizen’s Around the Verse covers character concepts and the Vulture, while CCP throws shade

Set aside the many Star Citizen dramas of the week and feast your eyeballs on the game’s latest edition of Around the Verse, which couldn’t possibly be controversial, right?

Oh. Oh it’s about the Vulture too. OK then. In fact, the Ship Shape segment focuses entirely on the controversial new concept ship. CIG even discusses the ship’s origins, noting that it’s a spin on the Dragonfly ship.

Incidentally, CCP Games threw some lighthearted shade at CIG over the Vulture/Venture shenanigans, tweeting about it last night.

The studio catch-up, by the by, actually has some really cool shots of characters and costuming, plus a quick run-down of audio work, travel, mission targets, ship interiors, and tundra biomes. And of course, there’s another featurette on personal weapons. Happy Friday!

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Joe Blobers

Posted on reddit by Kopah. I won’t even be surprised that by a week or two we have a 4K large picture showing all “controversial” ships from others past or present games, movies or cartoon :)

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Your Honor

Yes, yes everyone was talking about the size, not the fact that they basically look identical, focus on the unimportant.

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Joe Blobers

I talked in my replies about both size and details. Remove size of the equation (or keep it) and all details are different. So again we are back to the point of many ships having the same design.

Between you and me, it is of zero interest to me (or probably even to you)…

“Controversy”/”drama” = Articles= free advertising=more comments= stay up on sites charts=more clicks :)
Good or bad controversies do not matter because whatever the level of skepticism (genuine or not), CIG is now in situation to quarterly deliver the project Backers pledges for…

What count is the possibility to catch attention to those interested but on the fence, until they see an interest to join. Like Alpha 3.x, Salvaging mechanism added, Female character, Planet-Size city (Q3), performance improvement, Beta… Whatever.

With quarterly patch, expect a lot of new controversies and more visibility, each patch bringing more, the numbers of people jumping in the project is mathematically going to grow up, until the final blow to nay-sayers with SQ42 release.
Human behavior + mathematic give the best equations… with predictable results :)

The next 4 quarters are going to be great with so much incoming “drama” :)

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Your Honor

Remove the size out of the equation and the ships are almost the same, proportionally, layout, color and even the name. CCP seem to think so too.

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Joe Blobers

Of course they do… and there is zero IP infragment as we could say the same about CCP borrowing this shape from other past games, movies or cartoon.
You make exactly my point. Useless controversy = keeping article up in chart = more visibility.

Thanks for your contribution :)

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Never said anything about IP infringement.

Very unimaginative though, also kind of funny.

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Joe Blobers

That’s why I used a coordinating conjunction like “and” to link Ip infragment to my past comments about size and details. In short I covered the all spectrum.

Call it unimaginative if you want… And if it is even funny for you, sincerely keep having fun.
This all “drama” does not deserve much :)

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It is unimaginative. For a company that charges so much for these ships, you’d think you’d get something unique at least. Not an uninspired copy of another games work.

To take somebody else’s work, change a few things and call it your own. Yeah that’s kind of funny.

There would have been no drama at all if people didn’t defend CiG in this situation, it’s clearly a carbon copy, but so what.
Everyone would have just moved on, but because people thought it’s smart to defend a situation in which there is no defense, it became more than it would have ever been.

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Joe Blobers

You keep saying they did copy somebody else, I keep saying they don’t and that EVE did have plenty of example of similar ship in both cartoon, games and past movies. Clearly you must be right because CIG is Evil whatever they do :)

About the price… 45$ for a starter package don’t spend an extra cent. Nobody force you if you do not like the color… And I am sure than some EVE players have bought it!

Everyone would have moved on… but you :)

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Vulture looks exactly like Venture, CiG 100% took heavy inspiration from that ship. It’s beyond obvious. I don’t think this makes them evil, just lazy and unoriginal. This ship we both are talking about costs $120.

$ 120 for a copy of another games work is quite expensive.

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Joe Blobers

Quote: “It’s beyond obvious.”

Make a snapshoot of invention/creation from human brain and you see that obvious is false.
For instance, phone invention and you got a succession of “inventors”:

While Italian innovator Antonio Meucci (pictured at left) is credited with inventing the first basic phone in 1849, and Frenchman Charles Bourseul devised a phone in 1854, Alexander Graham Bell won the first U.S. patent for the device in 1876.

The value of an article is the one consumers are ready to pay for.
The Vulture and all is details have been created in Lumbeyard by CIG dev not by CCP. Is a FC7 Hornet at 132$ is worse a Vulture at 120$? Pledgers call. Both done by CIG… yellow or black color included :)

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Vulture looks like Venture. $120 for a copy of a ship made by another developer.

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Like many other people, if two look and function identically, then I’ll take my pleasure from the larger of the two.

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Martinez

comment image Old Privateer ship this design is about as common as a Toyota sedan is today. Also found in Blade Runner

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Denice J. Cook

It’s not nearly a cut-copy-paste jobber like CIG practically did, though, to be honest.

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Denice J. Cook

I’ll bet somebody over at CIG got yelled at over this! ;)

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A Dad Supreme

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 😏

It’s okay, @RobertsSpaceInd – we love you too! 💕🚀💕 #tweetfleet

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Alex Hyer

I hope they keep the design and sell it for $500

Because its hilarious. To me anyway. And thats enough for me.

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Sally Bowls

I think of a CCP vs CIG spat as the Social Media Full Employment Act. Both have given generously but the potential of the intersection is staggering.

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Roger Melly

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/02/11/australian-billionaire-titanic-replica-set-sail-2018/80220952/

Anyone remember this the full scale replica of the Titanic that was supposed to sail this year . Of course it never happened but I am starting to see some comparisons between a hypothetical ship that never set sale and all these hypothetical ships in Star Citizen a game that is behind in it development schedule and so far away from release that they may never see a launch either .

They should be concentrating on finishing the game they have more than enough backing to do so, instead we get one concept ship after another to fleece more money out of people who don’t seem to realize they are throwing their money into a black whole .

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Sally Bowls

For me, my favorite ship and one of my favorite movies is The Magic Christian. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064622/?ref_=nv_sr_1

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Roger Melly

Isn’t that the one with Ringo Starr in it ?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Roger Melly: “so far away from release that they may never see a launch either .”

Damned… the scam prophecy stright back… :)

The ships you may never see like Aegis reclaimer and Anvil terrapin released in 3.1?

Or the concept ship 600i announced in late 2017 and released with Aegis Avenger (3 versions), Hurricane, Eclipse, Blade in 2 weeks with 3.2?

Or the 19 others ships and vehicules coming in 3.3 and 3.4 before end of 2018?

Delivering ships to be used in SQ42 and SC is exactly what they are paid for. Assets selling is the base of crowdfunding model. As usual, nothing force you to pledge more than starter package.

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Joe, you are a soothsayer. Invest in stocks versus Star Citizen.

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Joe Blobers

soothsayer… not really Estranged.

First time a soothsayer can read future by clicking on an internet Star Citizen Roadmap link or by downlading and Alpha game.

If only they would allow Backer to buy stocks rather than pledges….

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Roger Melly

I really wouldn’t invest in stocks Joe , in all seriousness you would probably lose a lot of money .

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Joe Blobers

In all seriousness Roger Melly I would certainly win a lot of money. I did not not throw this hypothesis like a joke but a real opportunity if it was given to a larger investor audience.
Which does not mean I will sale a kidney :)

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Roger Melly

I wonder did they expect them to be developing ships that could be brought for real world money while the game was in Alpha though ?

If this were any other game Joe and not the one with the virtual “cult” you have indoctrinated yourself in I suspect you would be talking about it being pay to win .

Its almost as if you have lost all sense of objectivity when it come to Star Citizen .

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Joe Blobers

Quote Roger melly: “not the one with the virtual “cult” you have indoctrinated yourself ”

I knew you would shoot the “cult” one :) Seriously I am afraid I have zero cult. I don’t believe in those Superior Entities created out of the human mind fear in the darkness of the night… And even less in human, even with a lot of talent or celebrity.

Facts and numbers are my saving line Roger. Which translate in objectivity as I have zero cult and no uncontrollable fear.

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James Abner

Please explain how the business expenses are to be paid.
475 employee checks DO NOT come from trees or thin air.
Employee taxes is going to come from what source.
Electricity bills would be detrimental to production if not paid.
By the way, one CAN NOT be FLEECED if one keep their wallet shut and practice consumer responsibility, instead of impulsive buying.

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Star%20Citizen
Holy shit look at all those hypothetical ship.

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Roger Melly

“Please explain how the business expenses are to be paid.”

I would think that is obvious from the 150+ million dollars that people have invested in the game in the expectations that CIG would get the game to a polished release able state before messing around with pay to win peripherals like these ships that cost 100’s of dollars sometimes .

AND if 150 million dollars is not enough then that raises serious questions about the management of the development of this game .

“By the way, one CAN NOT be FLEECED if one keep their wallet shut and practice consumer responsibility, instead of impulsive buying.”

Some people are just plain gullible which is why we have laws to protect such people from fraudulent behavior . I suspect if this game does not release that is where this all may be heading in a few years time .

If CIG were honest they would be offering refunds to anyone that wants them at this stage .

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Martinez

You know you sound like one of those guys who tell’s the Boxer before the match comes up that he better just stop thinking he’s got a chance to win, and the guy loses terribly and later we find out You bet on his opponent the whole time……if a Business just suddenly said “hey we are offering refunds for all no questions asked..there isn’t anything wrong but we are giving everyone a chance to bail no consequences… that Business would be out of business the same day as people would Panic..because there must be something wrong right??? Right?? Self fulfilling prophecy.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Roger Melly: “Some people are just plain gullible which is why we have laws to protect such people from fraudulent behavior ”

Gullible… out of estimated +700.000 Backers and growing, they are statisticaly some for sure.
The most gullible ones are those expecting a +500 team, 5 studios, 2 triple-A starting with a team of 12 and 6 M$ six years ago to not justify +188M$. Use some math.

People are well known to work for God’s glory. And feel free to jump on that one to insert “Cult” in your comment :)

I much prefer the story of the guy shooting: “I used my child’s university scholarship to buy a package”

Nobody force you or anyone to spend more than 45$ starter package. Last month +3 millions Fortnite players did paid on average 100$… (Which mean some have spent zero and others… several hundred)…in one single month.

Gone forever. For a skin not for a crowdfunded project that push the limits of what have been done before.

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Sean Barfoot

OK this is what I don’t understand about Star Citizen: is the game “fully funded” as people have often claimed (and I’m fairly sure by CIG themselves at some point, though following their Byzantine history of public statements is not easy for the casual observer), or are they reliant on incoming cash flow?

In other words, is the continued development of this game dependent on people buying ships at the pace that they have been? Because if that’s the case, that seems a pretty precarious position for this project to be in. And if that is indeed the case, what was the 150m for? To a design a proof of concept alpha?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Sean Barfoot: ” is the game “fully funded”

Correct, that’s what was stated by CR himself. My personal estimation is that they had around 1 year of cash ahead with 400 employees and around 10 months now with the team increase, with an estimated delivery of SQ42 and SC Beta by end of 2019.

This ETA is based on current roadmap and the remaining features and performance improvement deliverable during the next 6 quarters. Now that it is said… let’s just see the flow of “2025, nerver released or scam” :)

In short every CEO on the planet, crowdfunded project or not, will ensure to keep a steady flow of $ to secure a cash reserve.

Talking about a possible precarious position for this project to be in, this is the choice of each new backer:
– Do not pledge until the project reach a certain level of your expectation, including possiblyBeta or even Gold release if you don’t like Alpha project status.
– Do not pledge more than a starter package at 45$. At least until it reach yours own expectations.

By end of Q4 2018, patch delivered will give both a good sign of what CIG have done in background, including +21 ships, performance improvement, many more gameplay together with next 4 quarters 2019 roadmap.
If on top of that we are served a SQ42 roadmap… most question of potential backer will be lifted for good.

6 months, not 6 years.

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Sean Barfoot

This seems, frankly, unlikely. Or maybe the PR at CIG are utterly tone deaf

For a start if they don’t need any more funding to finish the game, why are they asking for more? Don’t they realise what terrible optics it is for the game? How coming up with land titles and moon buggies and all kinds of wacky shit for sale is very much not a good look?

Basically if the game is already paid for, they really shouldn’t need to be doing what they are doing. It only hurts their reputation.

Also, this is not how a crowdfunded project typically works. They normally say “here is the money we need”, then if they get that money they make the game. They don’t say “here is the money we need for now, but we will be back next week asking for more”. That does happen from time to time, but nowhere near this scale of pre launch selling which is basically unprecedented in gaming.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Sean: “It only hurts their reputation.”

In your vision. As I explained, no CEO on the planet would stop to keep wallet with enough cash. None. Reputation have nothing to do with financial good practice.
They have to pay +500 team so stopping funding is a no brainer.

You should revise how kickstarter work. Some small project do use only funds gathered during kickstarter.

Many others, especially games, do use it as a proof or test the real level of demand, then they get out of kickstarter to keep funding by their own.
Mostly with a pledge model through their own site. Hence they don’t pay fees to Kickstarter. Some example beside SC:
– War of Rights
– The Bards Tale IV
– Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem
– Kingdom Come Delivrance

They are the 4 I pledged for beside Star citizen… 5 pledges, 5 times the same model with totally different CEO’s. Coïncidence?

About the scale, there is no crowdfunded of this scope, with 5 studios and +500 team. So all is relative.

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Sean Barfoot

So there’s no reason to sell the ships at all other than because people are still buying? After all, the game is fully funded now, as you say.

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Joe Blobers

Sean… I do not know how you can read the opposite of what I wrote twice in a row.

The reason, is dictated by good Finance practice: Keep a safe wallet of cash…. Of course you can disagree, but pretending there is no reason is not correct.

But you gave an ever better one: Provide to consumers what they are willing to buy/pledge.

SC is not a charity company.

By the way, latest com fom CIG give an interesting information (Calling All Devs Ships Rental And Insurance):
Ships would be available with credits starting 3.3

Which mean those looking to test mining or salvaging would be able to test without buying with cash.

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Sean Barfoot

What you describe as good financial practice is really just keep taking money if money is available.

If the game is paid for and all the features paid for, then asking for more money is what, profit? After all, you are always keen to tell people they are not adding new features so the money isn’t needed for that either. So yes, you’re saying that they are only selling ships because people are still buying them. Because remember, all is paid for already.

Do you think this could warp the development, to I don’t know, the sort of game that’s in development for many years but sells vast amounts of products not actually available at present?

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Joe Blobers

Quote Sean: “What you describe as good financial practice is really just keep taking money if money is available.

I said repeatedly it is not the main reason…Still this is a very good one :)
You can disagree that it is a good Financial practice done by any CEO driving a none charity company. This is not for you. Cool.

I think we both explain our position. Have a nice day.

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Sean Barfoot

But as you say, cig is not a charity. So why are people giving them donations? What for? What do they think they are doing? The game is paid for so they aren’t supporting development. Is it a tip? A pat on the back? What? Again they do not need the money. The game is fully funded.

What you are describing sounds like a very unethical way to treat your paying customers, who already paid to found your company and pay your wages and fund your entire video game, with nothing but good will. So what? Bleed the suckers dry if they are still paying?

I don’t know how anyone could be a fan of company with so little respect for your money. It would actually be more justifiable if they were running out of money and needed more to continue the project, though that’d obviously bring about a different set of concerns.

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James Abner

“I would think that is obvious from the 150+ million dollars that people have invested in the game in the expectations that CIG would get the game to a polished release able state before messing around with pay to win peripherals like these ships that cost 100’s of dollars sometimes.”

Ah, so you are clueless as to how crowdfunding works.
Those “ship sales” is what CIG are using for cash flow, you know the thing that EVERY business on this fucking planet needs for day to day running costs.
Payroll EVERY week, bi-weekly, monthly, yearly as per CIG’s payment structure.
Payroll taxes.
The development studio building spaces had to be procured, ALL the office furnishings and computers acquired.
By the way it is 187,889,536 earned over the last 5 years.

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Best of luck with that pay to win bullshit, as my hacker/medic/miner will very much enjoy stealing all of your UEC and taking remote control of you “super ship” with the sole purpose of flying it into a UEE Navy ship so you get the prison time.

“AND if 150 million dollars is not enough then that raises serious questions about the management of the development of this game.”

Then show your game development studio management experience to prove the authority you are clearly trying to portray.

“Some people are just plain gullible which is why we have laws to protect such people from fraudulent behavior . I suspect if this game does not release that is where this all may be heading in a few years time.

If CIG were honest they would be offering refunds to anyone that wants them at this stage.”

Okay Derek “Smart”, this has been regurgitated for the last 3 years non stop, and yet the FTC, SEC, FBI, DOD, DOJ, NSA, CIA, CDC, ATF, nor DEA has given a flying fuck.
CIG have been refunding on a case by case basis since 2013.
What is NOT being told is that ANYONE having a hard time getting one is from the FACT they where GREY MARKETING, GIFTING, MELTING and so on then bitching because CIG had to shift through it all to know the true value of that persons refund.

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Star%20Citizen

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Jon Wax

im starting to think the industry knows what they are doing and are preying on the mental instability of certain segments of society the same way cigarette companies did in the past. its one thing to give a soft blast to the dopamine button here and there as fortnite proves but it’s another thing entirely to have folks buying 5 figure ships in a video game. things like entropia, with the low probability of return, but the chance still remains for a profit, feel like gambling with better ui. we talk about the toxic elements in gaming but we don’t talk about the methods that devs and publishers use to promote their product nor to whom their product is specifically targeted.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Ship model from Chris Robert’s “Wing Commander” game launched in 1999:

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Ship model from Wing Commander IV game:

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So, I guess its Chris should be flattered

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cmdr_cotic

And what does this show you? That CCP’s Venture is significantly different than the above, whereas the Vulture is not significantly different to the Venture….

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Oleg Chebeneev

Doesnt look significantly different to me. So sorry to ruin EVE players joy of thinking CIG stole the ship

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#influencer

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Estranged

#rekted

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Yeah, one is work copied from something that was made by someone else.

Another is work inspired by nature.

Totally same.

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Oh, I get it, if you can’t beat it, insult it.

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Lethality

No, just “some lighthearted shade”.

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Oh so CCP shouldn’t even say anything, they shouldn’t acknowledge the fact that CiG took inspiration from their work at all, how dare they, they should be quiet.

Shut your mouth CCP.

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Joe Blobers

Your Honor they can say whatever they want… They are entitled to their own words. End of story.

And you will noticed that exchange betwen both companies are respectful.
I am sure that it is shocking for those looking for blood at every SC article :)

CR did made the “venture” silhouette 20 years ago as shown by Pictures above. And he was probably not th single one to draw such design at the same time.

I hope we get more “drama” like this before each patch release.
Anything is good enough for free advertising.

For patch 3.3, I may suggest:

Planet are circular= they copy NMS,
Asteroids field=they copy ED,
Stars are shining= they copy Starfield.

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Venture looks nothing like those ships except for the two arms.

Vulture as a whole, proportions and everything looks almost exactly like Venture.

CCP seem to think so too.

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I would copy NMS, it continues to improve at a staggering rate on a budget.

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i didn’t think it wasn’t joking before.

but now i’m convinced you’re upset by it.

#influencer

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Lethality

it’s a complete joke… lighten up!

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I enjoyed it :)

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Alex Willis

This is so amazingly beside the point that I am actually in awe. 10/10, would read the missed point again.