Kickstarted Civil War game War of Rights adds big guns, infantry flags, and anti-trolling measures

    
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It’s been a good while since we last checked in on the controversial War of Rights, the Civil War battlefield simulator developed by Denmark-based Campfire Games. It’s currently priced at $30, although sometimes it goes on sale for a good portion off of that.

War of Rights went into Steam early access back in December 2018 after six years of development and a $118,000 Kickstarter, and it’s been plugging away ever since then with no announced launch date. The title is up to 173 updates in its testing phase, with the most recent arriving on March 17th. Some of the more notable changes and features made in the last half-year include performance upgrades, anti-trolling features, 50 “meticulously researched infantry flags,” and 12-pounder “Napoleon” cannons.

Also, friendly fire got a bit friendlier: “Firing a poorly aimed shot that ends up killing a bunch of friendlies will not get you immediately banned. The player pulling the lanyard will get notified of each teamkill committed. A popup warning will also be displayed to the player pulling the lanyard when the teamkill limit is getting close to the ban threshold.”

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Paragon Lost

I kept hoping that the developers grew some critical thinking and empathy and decided to drop development on this. I guess not. ☹

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moondog548

In summation: Yikes.

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Utakata

*Pigtails takes note of Capitol rioters running around with Confederate flags*

…err, good luck with that anti-trolling stuff! >.<

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styopa

Look, I understand the Civil War was a massively important event in US history.
I understand that many people are fascinated by the time, the places, and the occurrences of that war.
I understand a lot of military history buffs are deeply engaged in the subject as well.

But I don’t for the life of me understand how someone could make it into an MMO, nor why in 2021 when let’s be honest, the social climate is hair-trigger waiting for ANY issue upon which to pounce and shatter another fracture line in the tenuous social fabric of our communities…why you’d WANT to have a game in which half the players’ faction LITERALLY is demonized as the embodiment of modern industrialized widespread slavery?*

*some people are even stupid enough to believe it’s the only, or even the predominant, slave culture in history. I’m not surprised there are staggeringly stupid people; I’m saddened that those people can chitter their ignorance and others cheerfully will nod politely because it advances their politics.

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

Kind of like you’re implying “Slavery not bad, slavery GOOD” with this long winded piece of drivel?

Bad-mouthing stupidity while presenting it is kind of ironic. Making arguments FOR slavery sure does make one seem extremely obtuse/dense.

How dare one stand up to slavery?!? /sarcasm

People that keep making these reverse racism arguments catering to bringing back racism as a plot point for us all fail to realize it’s still quite clearly here and now…

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styopa

Which is upsetting you more: that I’m suggesting this is an asinine subject for an mmo, particularly in these socially-tense times…or that I said that people are stupid who believe the US was the sole or primary effector of slavery?

If the latter, perhaps cracking a history book will do you more durable good than fulminating at me over what you believe was a personal insult?

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

Neither. It’s the white-washing of something you obviously have no grasp of. It’s the pandering to allow it to happen again. It’s the actions and voice and tone that you use to rationalize the hatred you’re showing you’re OK with. You trying to imply I don’t know history while YOU literally are repeating it in verbatim.

If they wouldn’t silence me like they keep doing on this website and others I’d tell you what I really think, but every time I speak up against this stuff someone silences me again/deletes my comments and THAT’S what’s making me furious.

People on the internet are getting away with this because someone silences the opposing viewpoint to ‘keep things civil’, but what they really are doing is keeping a systemic issue alive and well by denying a side a voice. There are those of us that fight for the rights of the enslaved still around, even if you people who fight for the other side and try and keep them enslaved have continued actively suppressing/attempting to deny a voice for them. You people want to have little games where you ‘enjoy’ the conquering of another and glorify what happened. Guess what, the Civil War is still on-going, just has become a war of words and people silencing others to try and get their side to be the right or ‘accepted’ one. Lately, those types have been KILLING PEOPLE. We just had 2 more mass shootings, along with an attempt to overthrow democracy by the same people your argument works to engender.

Maybe YOU should actually crack a book(Or e-device nowadays) open and LEARN something for a change from the history you think you’re speaking to.

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styopa

Maybe they’re “silencing” you for frothing diatribes that literally have nothing to do with the person you’re replying to?

I’m genuinely curious how I’m “white washing” the Civil War? Or what “hatred” I’m showing?

I’m saying a Civil War MMO is stupid and incendiary.

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

Your whole original comment is wrapped around white grievance victim-hood mentality.

How dare someone portray them as enslavers! They were just poor old folk who didn’t know no better!

Then you go on some arrogant rant showing how much better you believe you are than others and how people who disagree with you are insects (chitter) and thus have dehumanized them to devalue their opinion.

The same type of mentality that allowed people to own others and feel no issue with it, because they believed they were animals, or no better than.

You’re trying to belittle anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint on the matter.

You’re ‘white-washing’ things by trying to personalize those people who did horrible things to others, which is the same type of crap as going and re-writing history books to show that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, when it quite obviously was to anyone who’s not part of the ‘But it’s mah heritage!’ crowd.

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styopa

What? Of COURSE they were enslavers. They wanted to even protect that position by rule of law, when it was already obviously going to disappear through the natural tide of antislave democracy.

Nobody said or implied anything else.

You’re angry that I said the people who think the US was fundamental to slavery are stupid, because they are. They deny actual facts because it doesn’t support their rage-boner of anti-American hatred.

The South’s slave system was the decrepit and crumbling last-gasp of an economic mechanism that had existed throughout time and was already basically recognized at that time as failed.
But it wasn’t the first, it wasn’t the largest, it wasn’t even the largest at the time (90%+ of the slaves shipped to the new world went to the Caribbean and South America).

The South was just too stupid to accept that. And hundreds of thousands had to die to tell those morons that their economic system was dead.

It’s not “my viewpoint” it’s provable data.

I’m not really sorry that makes you angry. Your hair-trigger rage (you know, that I mentioned in the original post) simply proves my point: this is a stupid subject for an MMO.

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

For reference, I’m one of those ‘damn Yankees’. I’m from the north. You’re arguing with someone who stands on the side of the freed slaves.

I was also educated before a lot of school systems in the US started to hide reality and teach altered viewpoints, which is where your argument spawns from. You might think you’re speaking ‘data points’, but you’re speaking white grievance mentality from altered data sets.

I actually studied a lot of this subject IN THE LIBRARY BY MYSELF because the schools were even starting to bias things when I was there. They didn’t want you to hear the stories from actual victims. They didn’t want you to listen to Harriet Tubman or about the ‘underground railroad’. Hear the story of Roots. Understand the things they did to them. They didn’t want you to know about the Yankee families that gave their lives to fight the South. They didn’t want you to hear that they were people too. Each and every single one of those slaves. They were people. They are the ones who need personalized, not the people your argument here caters to.

Yes, they were taken from many areas, and yes, it wasn’t the first of ‘slavery’ or ‘indentured servitude’. White imperialists had done this for many many long years before, even to their own. Other nation groups/states/tribes had done it to others at various points through-out history too.

I do agree this is a stupid MMO idea (New World was the same concept…they tried to hide that was really what the guy wanted to do with that game too and revamped it/cleaned it up to try and hide those aspects.), but you’re not JUST arguing that point.

You’re trying to be like ‘But what about the one’s who did the act, weren’t they people too?’ Yes, they were, but they actively chose those horrible actions to do to others, and they weren’t victims (Up until they chose to die for their cause, and then they just became martyrs for it.).

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styopa

Let’s just tear down a few planks in this fantasy you’ve constructed:

– I’m also from the north. I had two ancestors who died fighting for a country they’d lived in for less than a decade.
– I’m 53. Spare me the “I learned it before ‘they’ started filtering the message…” crap. I watched Roots as it was first broadcast.
– And by the way, maybe check your schools: the idea that they aren’t teaching history as black vicimization is…astonishingly disconnected. “Didn’t want you to listen to..”? What? It’s nearly the ONLY message today. By any chance did you notice the ENTIRE BUILDING dedicated to that subject on the Capital Mall recently?
– “White imperialists had done this for many many long years…” Sorry to interrupt you with facts, but the commercialization of slavery was largely driven by Arabs who had penetrated Africa far further than whites by the 16th and 17th centuries, encountered the UNIVERSAL inter-tribal slavery business, and exploited it. (Subsaharan Africa tribal war paradigms were less about murdering everyone than about capture, so prisoner/captives for slave commerce were ample.)
Slavery was common throughout Africa, Asia, South Asia, the MidEast, and of course, Europe. It was universal.
Oh, and the first commercially sold slaves in the modern era were white slaves taken by Barbary Pirates.
I know your intent is to very much try to pin this on American whites, but it was a HUMAN thing, not a white thing.
– I haven’t even faintly suggested sympathy for the South. What I suggested is that the fundamental divisiveness of the subject would allow virtue signalers without much historical understanding but dripping with righteousness to tediously spew their froth of ignorance to make themselves feel better.

To which I say thank you for completely proving my point.

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

And by the way, maybe check your schools: the idea that they aren’t teaching history as black vicimization is…astonishingly disconnected.

Yes, I’m sure I know nothing about it after having conversations with my adopted family members who have literally been going through local schooling who have told me they don’t teach them these things. The schools in this rural area are teaching white people to think they were some kind of victims in this all, and teaching false history lessons.

“Didn’t want you to listen to..”? What? It’s nearly the ONLY message today.

I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under on the internet…

By any chance did you notice the ENTIRE BUILDING dedicated to that subject on the Capital Mall recently?

No, because I’m not able to travel, seeing as I’m disabled IRL and certain types want to keep us horribly far below poverty level and barely surviving. Sound familiar?

I know your intent is to very much try to pin this on American whites, but it was a HUMAN thing, not a white thing.

I know, you got to play the poor whitey card again, so victimized, poor them, woe is them. While also blatantly disregarding everything I said and purporting ‘facts’ as YOU see them with your alternate reality you live under.

I haven’t even faintly suggested sympathy for the South. What I suggested is that the fundamental divisiveness of the subject would allow virtue signalers without much historical understanding but dripping with righteousness to tediously spew their froth of ignorance to make themselves feel better.

As now you have dehumanized ME in your mind. Talk about ‘righteousness’ and ‘virtue signaling’ and ‘ignorance’. Look up projection(A psychology term), it’s literally what you’re doing. You’re putting your own issues on someone else…of which there are obviously many having had this ‘conversation’ with you.

It’s pretty obvious you’re so arrogant that you can’t see past the tip of your own nose, and all you see is your own thoughts on matters and don’t care what others have to say, even if they are totally right, you use rationalizations to get around their arguments to make yourself be ‘right’ once again, and thus re-enforce your own ego. You’re wrong on this one, and you’re showing your grievance mentality hard…

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styopa

“I’m sure I know nothing about it”
You clearly don’t. I’ve just finished sending 4 kids through high school and college. I’ve been involved in the local PTO for 18 years. So yeah, I 100% know more about it than your hearsay. Thanks for conceding the point.

“I’m disabled IRL and certain types want to keep us horribly far below poverty level and barely surviving”
Yes, I’m sure it’s someone else’s fault keeping you down. I bet you run into that a lot.

I have no problem saying that Americans certainly benefited from the 19th century commodification of slavery, and the efficiencies introduced to the practice, but again I can’t even honestly say we drove it – what drove it was Carib. and S.Amer slave practices which were heinously more brutal and killed vastly more of these victims than the US did. The US stopped legally importing slaves COMPLETELY by 1830. There was certainly some smuggling after that, but the proportions of slaves coming to the US dropped after that to nearly none.

So you can easily prove me wrong on this: just state clearly for your part that this isn’t about despising America, that America was never the inventor, nor main actor, in slavery historically. Looking forward to it!

“As now you have dehumanized ME in your mind.”
It’s ironic that you’re attacking your perception of what you think that I think. Do you even see the hilarity of that?
To answer your point: Not at all. You’re absolutely a person. I just don’t grant de facto respect to everyone who insists on it. (shrug) For example, I’m assuming all of this is based on your honest misunderstanding of what I said, and not naked mendacity. If I dehumanized you, I wouldn’t bother because then I’d have assumed you were just another puerile rage-filled point-scorer on teh IntarWebs. Why bother even continuing a conversation with such a hypothetical person like that who’s focused solipsistically on their own rage to the point that actual facts are irrelevant? That would be pointless.

Arrogant? I suppose it’s very 2021 to insist that someone who keeps correcting your misunderstanding of things is “arrogant” because objectivity is so 20th century. Yes, I’m old-fashioned that way. Teachers are arrogant too, I guess?

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MilitiaMasterV

“I’m sure I know nothing about it”
You clearly don’t.

OK Mister(Miss?) Know-it-all, you clearly have a fine grasp of sarcasm.

I’ve just finished sending 4 kids through high school and college.

So you admit your children are PAST schooling age and are adults and are NOT currently learning anything in the system you’re bragging about knowing.

I’ve been involved in the local PTO for 18 years.

So you’re part of a group that has, for years, ignored, and/or refused to listen, and/or refused to address issues that were brought to the attention of people.

Kind of like the gun control issue which has lead to numerous school mass shootings in our nation because of wanna-be know-it-all people like yourself who think you know everything and keep providing the children with the guns they walk in and blow their classmates away with.

So yeah, I 100% know more about it than your hearsay.

Yeah, you know so much drivel it’s bleeding out your ears and through your fingers. Can’t contain how little you don’t know, must bias others with your own ignorance, keep spreading the hate!

Thanks for conceding the point.

Apparently you failed debate class also, because when someone continues to trounce your argument soundly, the smart answer, isn’t to keep head-butting it. But that’s what you’ve been doing here. There was no concession, just the ravings of a lunatic, and that lunatic, wasn’t me. Are you going to go pop a gasket here soon, and start blowing people away because they don’t agree with you?

Yes, I’m sure it’s someone else’s fault keeping you down. I bet you run into that a lot.

Yes, show your colors, let the hate flow. You enjoy ‘keeping people down’. Your arguments, have revolved around that concept. You want to have people ‘under you’, beholden to you, enslaved to you. The system I’m currently a part of? Built by people with your mentality, intended to keep others in a position they can’t break free from without violence.

Yes, I’ve heard all the arguments against welfare, and poor people, and how it’s all their own fault, and if only they had done something to get out of it and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps they’d be able to break free.

Funny thing is, statistically it’s more often white families nowadays who are in this situation, with racist people still believing it’s ‘those other people’ and trying to ‘keep them in their place where they belong’.

I have no problem saying that Americans certainly benefited from the 19th century commodification of slavery, and the efficiencies introduced to the practice

Yes, show how PROUD you are of benefiting from slavery, working off the backs of others, and how you ‘made it better’ (efficiency). You certainly didn’t get where you are today by your own will/actions. You took advantage of others. Hrm, that sounds awful familiar to that argument about ‘laziness’ I constantly hear in reference to people who are on welfare? You were lazy. You have a problem with others being lazy? Kinda ironic. It’s almost like you’re blinded by an unreality you’ve formed around yourself/been taught to give you an impression of your supposed holiness, thus your self-righteous rants on a game news forum.

I can’t even honestly say we drove it – what drove it was Carib. and S.Amer slave practices which were heinously more brutal and killed vastly more of these victims than the US did.

Aw shucks, you wish you could have been the one to kill all those people? It makes you cry a little inside that you couldn’t have been the one harming them yourself? I noticed you mentioned statements from one of the most brazen mass murderers in history who was involved in the Holocaust in another post to another person. Do you heil every night to him? Do you have the flags all over your walls and kiss pendants to him?

The US stopped legally importing slaves COMPLETELY by 1830. There was certainly some smuggling after that, but the proportions of slaves coming to the US dropped after that to nearly none.

You make this sound like you’re disappointed in it. Why ever did they stop supplying you with your free labor so you had to stop being lazy and actually do some work yourself?

So you can easily prove me wrong on this: just state clearly for your part that this isn’t about despising America, that America was never the inventor, nor main actor, in slavery historically. Looking forward to it!

I never made that statement to begin with.

I’ll use your own words :

“It’s regrettable that you can flat out lie and then feebly disavow any need to substantiate the crap you spew.

Lies have currency. You are exactly part of the problem.”

That statement sure rings true about you, doesn’t it? Remember what I said about projecting.

To answer your point: Not at all. You’re absolutely a person. I just don’t grant de facto respect to everyone who insists on it. (shrug)

See, that’s a fault of your own. I start out respecting people, then they lose that respect by their own actions, as you’ve continued to do all through this discussion.

For example, I’m assuming all of this is based on your honest misunderstanding of what I said, and not naked mendacity.

Your ‘truths’ are based on lies, therefore making them untruths.

If I dehumanized you, I wouldn’t bother because then I’d have assumed you were just another puerile rage-filled point-scorer on teh IntarWebs. Why bother even continuing a conversation with such a hypothetical person like that who’s focused solipsistically on their own rage to the point that actual facts are irrelevant? That would be pointless.

Yes, I’m beginning to see that it is pointless, you don’t live in a fact based world. You live in a world where your viewpoint is all that matters, and you’ve obviously sat in an echo chamber for years having your own bullshit spoon-fed back to you.

Why I wasted my time trying to educate someone is purely because I was hoping to reach across the divide after watching another 18 people die in public because of narcissistic sociopaths like yourself who go ballistic and murder everyone after enough people question your belief systems…

Arrogant? I suppose it’s very 2021 to insist that someone who keeps correcting your misunderstanding of things is “arrogant” because objectivity is so 20th century. Yes, I’m old-fashioned that way. Teachers are arrogant too, I guess?

You only value yourself, as evidenced by everything coming from your words. It shows no desire to learn. You are just as arrogant as the aristocrats that America broke free from all those years ago. Your belief system is built upon the same platforms. You think you’re better than other people, when through actions and words you’re showing you are so much less than.

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Jeremy Barnes

Yes, having to pretend something didn’t happen is totally the right way to go. It implies how healthy you are as society when you can’t talk about or depict something that happened.

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James Balmer

No one said anything about pretending it didn’t happen. But really, letting people play as the Confederate is… odd. I know I wouldn’t want to play as them, but I suppose some trolls would. What’s next if we can make games about anything without any backlash? A game where I can play as Nazi’s hunting Jews just because it happened?

This is a similar conversation as to whether statues of slavers (or other terrible people) should still stand. No one wants to erase them, just not glorify them – playing as them, or having statues of them is glorifying them. We can be educated of the terrible people and events of the world without having to walk past statues of them every day, or in this case playing as them.

I am going to take a wild (fairly educated) guess here and assume you live in some anti-left echo chamber, where you believe we all want to erase anything ‘non woke.’ That was never the case.

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Jeremy Barnes

I’m about as left as they come. Environment, a woman’s right to choose, tax hikes on the wealthy, equity laws, social programs and so on.

I just don’t believe in pretending things didn’t happen. Just like the last 4 years happened, world war 2 happened…the civil war happened.

There’s many examples of media about the other side. Just because something exists doesn’t mean it’s simply about ‘glorifying’ something.

I’m also not sure about trying to paint someone who says something you disagree with as they ‘other side’ automatically. People are a mosaic or ideas and opinions. I feel like you should probably reflect on that before labeling everyone you disagree with as an ‘enemy’.

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styopa

Are you seriously implying that the only and best way we can soberly regard a terrible historic event is through play of it as an mmo?

If that’s the case then you’ll be delighted to hear that the kickstarted mmo “Arbeit Macht Frei” is coming out with their new raid-tier expansion, Zyklon-B!

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Jeremy Barnes

No, it’s not the only way. There’s also books, movies, TV shows.

I never said it was the only or best way. That was something you came up with on your own.

I’m just not a big believer in “burning books.”

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styopa

1) how is “this is a dumb subject for an MMO” = pretending it didn’t happen?
2) what, precisely, did I “make up”?

Genuinely curious how you ratiocinate those results from what I wrote. (Note, just to save time, you have to actually refer to what I wrote, not what you “think I implied” because that’s just a neurotic arguing with his own voices.)

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Jeremy Barnes

I’m sorry that we’re unable to have a discussion. There’s clearly no way this will contribute anything positive to the community.

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styopa

That’s a pretty transparent way to run away from what you said.

Not a lot of people would see that merely asking you to back up your assertions as “unable to have a discussion”.

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Jeremy Barnes

If that is what you feel, then I am glad I could give you a good positive feeling that you made me “run away”.

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styopa

It’s regrettable that you can flat out lie and then feebly disavow any need to substantiate the crap you spew.

Lies have currency. You are exactly part of the problem.

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Richard de Leon III

Considering the topic, im not sure any anti-trolling method will be enough :(.

Turing fail
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Turing fail

The AI will delete itself…

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McGuffn

The description of the friendly fire mechanic seems totally insane, so I think you’re right.