Guild Wars 2 is up, WildStar is down in NCsoft’s 2015 Q2 financial report

NCsoft has published its second quarter 2015 financial report, and it’s basically a repeat of quarter one.

The company attributes its quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year boosts primarily to Blade & Soul’s “strong performance” in East Asia and momentum in Taiwan as well as the Lineage series’ continued dominance.

Western sales for the company rose slightly over last quarter but are down year-over-year, probably because its major expected releases, expansions, and conversions in 2015 haven’t happened yet. Guild Wars 2 and Aion are both up on the quarter and year. WildStar, on the other hand, continues to struggle, having lost a fifth of its sales since the May report.

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literaltruth
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literaltruth

Telos_ As I recall, it was the appearance of Wildstar in a datamine of Steam databases that ruined their surprise announcement of F2P.  I’d imagine that the Steam release will coincide with the implementation of F2P.

literaltruth
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literaltruth

Telos_

breetoplay
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breetoplay

badgers12 The company uses them interchangeably across different platforms. We stick with NCsoft.

MetaDune
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MetaDune

Well the devs didn’t get enough money from KS to fund their game so apparantly not that many people care.

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breetoplay

sray155 I think you mean 10m, not 20m. Which was still doing beautifully for a small game post-WoW shouldering a second game. Grumble.

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SoMuchMass Line with more hugs What do you mean “now”? We’ve always reported on Raptr’s stats. Raptr is one of the few times we ever get stats at all. We just don’t treat them as more than they are: a snapshot of a self-selected, limited subgroup in the industry.

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MetaDune DrowNoble A lot of people care. How about both? Turns out we can support multiple games at a time. :D

paterah
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paterah

sray155 It’s not like there would be any difference if GW2 was out there. Stop trying to downplay Aion.

MetaDune
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MetaDune

DrowNoble Who cares? Support the devs that are making the spiritual successor to CoH

DrowNoble
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DrowNoble

Hey NCsoft need some extra cash?  How about selling the City of Heroes IP?  It’s not like you haven’t had offers on it…

DrowNoble
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DrowNoble

SenshiruK Yep they should of went F2P a long time ago.  That and the devs You Will Raid and Like It attitude didn’t help either.

MopMe
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MopMe

sray155 COH didn’t make 20million in a year since 2008.

Revenue (USD approx)

2008 = 22.4 mil
2009 = 17.8 mil
2010 = 13.6 mil
2011 = 10.9 mil (went F2P end of 3rd quarter practically start of 4Q)

2012 =  5.0 mil (half year revenue…CoH closure announced 3Q)

Near the closure of COH, it made approx 2.5 million USD for 4 of 5 final quarters…the 1 quarter was 2.9 mil.

COH tried F2P for about a year and quarterly revenue still showed a decline before it was shutdown.

Kalamari
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Kalamari

Boardwalker ColdinT you always have to consider the asia<->eu/na differences. 
aion in asia–> good
aion in the west–> bad
gw2 in asia–> bad
gw2 in the west–> good

so why should western news sites report more about aion? they report about gw2 because it’s more popular in the west. that’s it.

Father Xmas
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Father Xmas

Valkyrie Noel MatthewRiddle AION and Lineage 2 together only had 2,890 million KrW last quarter in NA.  Combined.  They already farmed off those games to third parties in the EU, deciding it wasn’t worth running them themselves.
And don’t forget that this is the PG-13 B&S that’s coming to NA/EU and not the sexy Korean one.  I still thing the character builder still has 4 settings to adjust breasts but the excessive bounce isn’t there anymore or the tiny tops.  Sure gliding looks fun but since this is F2P right out of the gate, I expect many annoying paywalls keeping me reaching for my wallet to play without excessive frustration about what I can’t do.

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grungepunk1022 But Carbine’s founders are ex-blizz, that buys them some creed, pun intended.  Carbine’s problem is they listened to all the “MMOs are too easy and need to be harder” crowd you find on all MMO forums and decided to cater to them.  Guess what, that crowd is just too damn small to support a game that is subscription based.  Sure they patched a lot of things, giving additional ways to get some items but by then they lost the players who didn’t buy a year subscription on day one and poisoned the word of mouth advertising.

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SoMuchMass Damonvile sray155 But they did call out the decrease this quarter is due lower B&S activity.  Nothing about AION, L2 or GW2 which are all there now.

Of course GW2 uses a different outfit than AION, L2 and B&S and occasionally someone from China pops in the English forum begging ANet to do something because KongZhong been doing questionable (according to the poster) promotions selling highly desirable items directly for cash.

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SoMuchMass Nreff You are ignoring that even though they are technically the same genre, Asian gamer mindset is very different than NA/EU.

As an example GW2 and WS numbers are NA/EU only (China’s GW2 income is reported as Royalties).  Factor those two games out and you get the NA revenue for Lineage 2 and AION (EU’s income is also now Royalties as they farmed out those games to 3rd parties).  So Lineage 2 and AION combined last quarter only had 2,890 million KwN.

That’s not a lot for two MMOs, F2P or not.  I think the only reason NC Interactive is still around is for the NA/EU language port for B&S.  B&S has been doing well enough in Japan and great in Taiwan so maybe even the PG-13 version of B&S can do well here.  Depends how many limitations and pay walls they erect for F2P.

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SoMuchMass sray155 I think it’s recently been stated that over 3/4rds of South Korea’s population play some type of mobile/PC/console online games on a regular basis.

GW2’s China revenue is in the Royalty number along with B&S and the rest of NCSOFT’s IPs they recently pushed into China.

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Grimmtooth BobDobalina Line with more hugs SoMuchMass It wouldn’t make a difference since the actual content is the same, with the exception of the snoozefest known as living story..

Telos_
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They need to release WS on Steam.  They will generate a lot of new players the way Tera did.  Either that, or waste a lot more money on promotion and advertising instead.

Kalamari
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Kalamari

SoMuchMass the HoT pre order started 2 weeks before the end of the 2nd quartal. so, theres is no point to say they only make 20 million “even with the expansion announcement”…

Kalamari
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Kalamari

TronSheridan you know that it will be f2p this fall?

Hagg3r
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MatthewRiddle Tizmah1 Yep. People won’t touch it again until it goes F2P. F2P also does not automatically mean they will be saved either, since it could go the opposite way. If the F2P model is too generous people who are subbed now will drop their sub; if the F2P model is too aggressive people won’t bother to try it out. With the next WoW expansion being announced soon, (will drive people to that game just on hype alone) FF14 doing fantastic, Skyforge release, HOTS release, and a whole slew of big tripple A games coming out from October-November they have some really tough competition ahead.

Hagg3r
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SoMuchMass sray155 Correlation does not imply causation.

Hagg3r
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BryanCole ColdinT Yeah its not like other games charge 50$ for their expansions, that never happens….

Hagg3r
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Hagg3r

Silverbourne Best comment NA

Red Alert
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MatthewRiddle Silverbourne Celestial The thing is that in Swtor’s case the 12x perk let’s you play through the class storyline only avoiding the sidequests completely. Which means that if you haven’t played a certain class you could reach lvl 50 with said class having an entirely new experience. In Wildstar’s case it would be different in that, even if you did have a boosted xp gain you would still be doing the same content with every new character you wanna play. It would help but it wouldn’t be the same.

Omniel
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Lol. Thanks for commenting Mass. Your comments always bring a smile to my face. Question: Do you actually believe the stuff you say?

Grimmtooth
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BobDobalina Line with more hugs SoMuchMass I’m actually waiting for the day that SMM actually logs into GW2 and tried it again. It has had many QoL improvements since it’s launch with more on the way with HoT launching by the end of the year.
He could come on here and say I DO, I DO LIKE GREEN EGGS & HAM

Radfist
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Radfist

Totally agree. I want to play it but the low pop means I’m stuck soloing.

annoyedbadger
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annoyedbadger

SoMuchMass Just have to say how much I like your comments, They are, unintentionally I’m sure, hilarious. Either that or you have perfected trolling to a level most people can only aspire to.

annoyedbadger
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Tridus To be honest, if I was the company looking at those numbers, I’d be seriously thinking of just shutting it down and redirecting resources to other projects that make better money. Its never nice to see a game go that way, but those numbers are just ugly.

annoyedbadger
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ColdinT why is it silly? surely thats an indication that they have “solved” the content consumption problem? that they have made their game interesting in the long run and people enjoy playing and paying for it without the compulsion of sub fees?

SenshiruK
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Wildstar is taking way to long to move on to F2P.  I love the game, but I don’t like playing an MMO were it feels deserted during most of my game time.  

The F2P transition should have been either quickly decided on or scraped.  The loss of so populations is what makes it hard for me to re-sub, hopefully F2P will bring some folks back.

Madda
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Madda

Yep. He’s got a Ph.D if Madda’s correct.

Madda
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Madda

Madda can’t see WildStar surviving 2016.
It all comes down to NCSoft and whether they’re ready to cut their losses.

ausj3w3l
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Nreff Noble_Einherjar i think most mmo’s use it for their end game zones haha – look at wildstyar with strain, gw2 and orr, eso and coldharbour

Madda
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Madda

Did you call customer support or anything?

Qarran
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Qarran

Heh.  It all comes down to opex for Wildstar.  My guess is that the new announcements and efforts to make it F2P may not even help.  If their YoY, QoQ doesn’t match projections in the next quarter, Wildstar is dead.  They will take the opex reduction instead.

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BhimaJenkins SoMuchMass Nreff that is a horrible analogy for the point the other guy was trying to make in relation to what NCsoft is selling and where they are selling it. Selling an MMO in a huge gaming market like NA/EU is not akin to selling snow tires where it makes no  since to sell snow tires. It is possible to have a higher concentration of sales in a smaller market. Just means they make sure to pay attention and grow in that relatively smaller market while still attempting to grow in the larger one.

RedrumRedrum
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RedrumRedrum

Come on man, tell us how GW2 will be shut down in fall 2014, or how it is in maintanience mode, or how NCsoft won’t exist as a company in 2015…
Oh wait, you are wrong about everything, all the time.

sray155
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In the final years of its life COH was making about 20 million per year (aka 5 million per quarter). Against a 7 million operating cost, that’s not bad; but the profit was being entirely sucked up by a new project, and COH stood out like a sore thumb in NC’s line up.
Carbine is still a huge studio at around 200 employees. Even if f2p quadruples their revenue, it’s going to take massive layoffs to make Wildstar profitable. They need to be making 20 million per quarter to justify that size of studio, and that’s not likely to happen.
That sucks.

MorpayneRADIO
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MorpayneRADIO

That dudes a doctor irl, funniest doctor in history?

Filur
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Filur

MatthewRiddle I thought FF XIV:ARR was doing well in the west. Am I wrong?

BhimaJenkins
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SoMuchMass Nreff

Clearly, the market for NC Soft games is what, 4-5 times larger in Korea than in the rest of the world. Africa has over 1 billion people… just because their population is large doesn’t mean I could sell more snow tires over there than in say, Minneapolis.

Valkyrie Noel
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MatthewRiddle Valkyrie Noel Aion has been around for years and is still alive even after CoH got shut down. Tera and Archeage are still chugging along just fine with new patches coming out fairly regularly. Many of these games are still much better than some of the random indie like MMOs or games like Everquest which apparently still has a following. I played Aion for well over a year (back when it wasn’t F2P) and I would certainly buy a collectors edition of B&S. If I exist, then I am not the only one.

Last but not least, the combat in the game is fantastic and the movement system is a breath of fresh air. I imagine it will surprise more people than you give it credit.

duane99
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Jack Pipsam  those pesky customers trying to spend money

Jack Pipsam
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Jack Pipsam

I found out NCSoft deleted my account because it didn’t some new merge thing.
So there goes my collector’s edition version of Aion &, Guild Wars. Along with the progress of those games and others.
That pretty much killed any chance of me playing of their games again.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf

Wildstar stock recommendation…..

SallyBowls1
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ZenJitzu ColdinT A recent article at another site had Carbine with the third from worst score at Glassdoor (the superdata/Raptr of employee satisfaction numbers)  Although that was two places above worst, NCSoft.

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