Elite: Dangerous changes how Horizons is sold, discusses patch 2.1’s focus

Are you confused about the process of upgrading from Elite: Dangerous to the Horizons expansion? Do you find it frustrating and unclear? Have you screamed “there’s got to be a better way” at the computer, informercial-style? The folks at Frontier Developers apparently think that’s the case, and thus have changed the retail setup significantly, with Horizons now serving as a season pass-style DLC purchase rather than an entirely separate entity. You’ll also get a gold Asp Explorer paint job if you already have the full version of the game.

Of course, if you already have the full version of the game, you’re probably far more interested in what’s going on with patch 2.1. A separate post addresses the changes coming with the patch while outlining the focus on making missions more meaningful. Players can look forward to a greater degree of interaction with the mission contacts for minor factions, with contacts that remember their dealings with players from the past as well as changing their reactions based on those past dealings. So you might not be able to buy into the game more easily, but you’re still getting a more positive experience.

Source: Pricing/retail changes, Development update; thanks to Cotic for the tip!
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Defector1980
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PhoenixDfire Cotic_OP A lot of buddies who have tried it out have had problems figuring out where they need to go or what they need to do. They fly around randomly for an hour without a purpose and wonder why there isn’t anything to do. The game really doesn’t tell you where things are happening. The truth is there’s a lot to do if you know how to get to it. People are so used to having content thrown in their lap, it can be confusing.

CGs, for example, are hidden in the GALnet news feed, which most of my friends didn’t even know existed until I pointed it out to them. And I think CGs are one of the best things in the game. It’s what really made the game pop for me. It gets you involved in the unfolding story, and it gives you a reason to care.

Defector1980
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Kataq LordOfBread Vorender I too have put a lot of time into Elite. I’ve been playing for over a year, and I still haven’t done everything there is to do.

Defector1980
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Defector1980

Cotic_OP PhoenixDfire He’s claimed he owns the game in the past. He’s hard to keep up with though.

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DamnDirtyApe rioinsignia Yeah, I’ve said the same thing to several friends when asked about it. They play somewhat casually. Right now, I can’t really recommend it to anyone who isn’t already totally into Elite. 
I’m going to buy whatever they put out because I enjoy the base game, and I even enjoy Horizons, but I can see how others who aren’t as into Elite would have a hard time figuring out what they’re getting. Later on, I think it will become easier to recommend. When multi-crew comes out, I may just buy it for them myself just so I’ll have some peons (er I mean crewmates) to boss around (I mean play with).

Kataq
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Cotic_OP PhoenixDfire He’s that angry at “losing” $20? I wonder how many thousands he’s spent on SC ships.

Cotic_OP
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PhoenixDfire 
I remember him saying a long, long time ago that he had backed the kickstarter at ~£20 level.

Cotic_OP
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DamnDirtyApe 
This really can’t be repeated enough.

PhoenixDfire
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Vorender You got the base game for $15? well done you. That was a lot cheaper than I got it for. Just wait for the next steam sale in about six months time.

PhoenixDfire
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LordOfBread Did you actually Buy the game? I though you said you hadn’t!

PhoenixDfire
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PhoenixDfire

Cotic_OP We did a conclave about horizons on Lave Radio this week :- http://laveradio.com/. The general impression of Horizons was at the present moment was ‘Maybe’ worth the money but by the end of the year will be well worth the money.

The drop in price and the clean up of the upgrades was well overdue. Even when they released it at lot of us Fanboys were going really? that much for the upgrade and hang on when do we get what? Hopefully Frontier will have learn’t their lesson for season 3.

I must admit though I’m seeing a lot of complaints about lack of content. It does make you wonder if frontier need to point at where the content is. Not give everything away but just some hints where the fun stuff is. I’ve had a lot of fun lately doing some of the planet based missions, CZs and community goals. You don’t have just trade all the time, that would drive you batty, but as I’ve said before, if you don’t go looking for the content, you ain’t going to find it.

I know that there is one mission type that appears to needing fixing but all the others seem fine. What were people wanting from Horizons?

Vorender
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Kataq Xijit McGuffn Vorender What, in the hell, are you talking about?

DamnDirtyApe
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JeremiahWagner 
Huh.  I think the gameplay there is polished and pretty excellent, but I also think that it is too light on content.

DamnDirtyApe
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rioinsignia This is why it’s a good idea for those on the fence to wait until later in the year to get the expansion (or DLC or whatever).  You will get more content, and you will likely be able to get it cheaper too.  Personally, I got Horizons but I really like landing on planets and driving around so it’s been worth it for me.

DamnDirtyApe
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quixadhal  Before, you could uninstall your original E:D client (this is what I did).  I wouldn’t do that now though until the changes this news post is about take place.

Cotic_OP
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Cotic_OP

With the changes they’ve also put out a patch roadmap which is much appreciated
2.0 – Planetary Landings
Available Now
A whole new angle on the galaxy. Journey from the stars to the
surfaces of strange worlds, and hit the ground running in the new Scarab
Surface Recon Vehicle.
2.1 – The Engineers
Coming Spring 2016
Everything changes. Introducing an expanded mission system and
game-changing loot. Craft exotic weapons and modules for your spacecraft
and build a ship unlike any other.
2.2 – Guardians
Coming Summer 2016
Take what comes and strike back with double. Bring a second ship to
every combat encounter with Ship-Launched Fighters and defend your
passengers against the deadliest threats in the galaxy.
2.3 – The Commanders
Coming Fall 2016
Team up and stand together. Forge your own identity with the new
Commander Creator, then share your bridge with Multi-Crew and fly with
friends.
2.4 – ????
Coming Soon
A secret revealed in Elite Dangerous: Horizons’ final expansion.

Serrenity
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Kayweg Kataq  Well, you might end up waiting a while if you are waiting for all the work to be done, as this is an MMO and tends to have active development until, well they go the way of old-SWG.

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LordOfBread Kataq Vorender  Witcher3, Fallout3, GTA V are all exceptions to the rule, not the standard.  Most console games you that you pay $60 have only a fraction of the content a game like ED has.  A game is long if it’s take 20 hours to get through for most other games.  In our genre, 20 hours and generally you are still figuring out WTF is going on in the game. 
I’m not touching F2P because you can’t compare a B2P experience with a F2P one (at least in this kind of setting).  
I consider the amount of time I played ED as ‘light’ coming in at ‘only’ around 80 hours.  For $60.  On average, I spent about that for an hour in a crowded restaurant that with what generally ends up to be ‘meh’ fare, and literally nothing to show for it.  
Perspective is your friend.

Serrenity
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Serrenity

To be fair we ran into this same issue with GW2 HoT. People got their underoos all torqued because Anet offered the base game as part of HoT and that the fact that they’d been playing the game for 3 years already was completely shoved aside over how “unfair it was to loyal players” that they didn’t get something for free because reasons.
Not imply that Anet or Frontier are going to get any points of intelligently managing this process

rioinsignia
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Whilst I applaud the price drop, I think it’s disappointing to see that Horizons isn’t all it was hyped up to be right now.  However, I can’t say I’m surprised.  I own the original game, but never bought Horizons because to me, the lack of depth in this “expansion” was quite apparent from the beginning.

JonBuck
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lapo cheesybites76 Where did I leave that Total Perspective Vortex?

BalsBigBrother
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lapo BalsBigBrother yeah I have the option to get one too as I jumped into horizons already but my vulture, asp explorer and type 7 are more than enough to cover my current needs ship wise.
It’s more of a principle thing though in that I am not a great fan of locking things behind a time limited  paywall and if you miss the opportunity its gone.  
I would much prefer them the maybe offer immediate unlocks for people if they pay but others can work towards getting the ship in game after a period of exclusivity.  Even if they make the requirement in game totally silly or stupidly expensive that would be better than totally gone for any one who joins the game at a later date.
Just my opinion for what it’s worth ;-)

Cotic_OP
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McGuffn Tufty Vorender 
Uhh no, you weren’t purchasing something you already had hence the discount if you already owned it.
It was bundled to make it easier for the new player who was paying a bit more.

Cotic_OP
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Kayweg Kataq 
To be fair that was always an option, with the added bonus that you would get it cheaper if you waited as well.

lapo
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cheesybites76 JonBuck Turns out that space is big. Really big.

meltedskul
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Finally. This ‘expansion’ is not an expansion at all it was always a season pass. The content was hardly there and most of the content people are looking forward to are “promises”. Typical expansions tend to have a lot of content within it and in MMO land sustained by updates.

cheesybites76
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JonBuck  Good one, but I may be able to cut that down into one word: Exploration. Lol.

cheesybites76
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JonBuck No kidding.  I played it on Xbox One, and while it certainly is pretty, once I build up the funds to buy a kitted-out Asp to go explore in….wow.  The exploration would just put me to sleep.  Having to stop in almost every system to fuel-scoop, and taking forever just to fly from one dead, uninteresting celestial body to the next even with A-5 engines….yeah it looked great at first and was fun for a while, but once I tried to strike out into deep space I wound up uninstalling.  Blah.

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Xijit LordOfBread They really are one of the worst. They’re company runs on the principal that you can make 80% of the game for 20% of the effort, and that last 20% of the game….the part that really makes a game polished and stand out, isn’t worth spending money on. Just tack on a well established IP to it and people wont care.

People can argue as an accountant all they want that this is good business, it’s still a shitty way to make a game.

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Xijit LordOfBread 
I get what you want to say but ruining Bioware trumps everything.

Xijit
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LordOfBread 
Compare EA to the shit Activision, ZeniMax, Ubisoft, Square Soft, Warner Bros, and Capcom pull … 

EA has not been the worst one the market for a long, long time.

not saying they have really gotten any better, just that everyone else has gotten so much worse.

JeremiahWagner
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Kataq McGuffn Vorender Yeah how can something be dead that was never alive to begin with!

JeremiahWagner
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I give up. I really enjoyed flying around but that’s where it starts and stops. Everything this game does just feels like it is done wrong including the expansion/stand-alone/whatever the hell it is “Horizons”. Everything is just so unpolished and awkward. To bad since flying around, docking, and mining was a lot of fun!

Kayweg
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Kataq Some of us prefer paying them after their work is done, and not a year in advance for barely revealed content.

Xijit
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Xijit

SHOW ME WHO THE FUCK SAID “FREE?”
In this entire god damned thread, who the fuck said “free?”
(Bree & CO, I apologize; I am just iritated by the constant misdirection of the argument …)

Kataq
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Xijit Kataq McGuffn Vorender They made a game and asked money for it. They then added to the game and asked money for what they added, while still adding to the original game for those that didn’t want the extra content yet.
That’s how the world works. People make stuff and ask money for it. Why would you think that people would ask to be paid once and then continue working for nothing?
If you have a problem with the concept of a season pass, your at least 5 years late for that discussion.

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LordOfBread Kataq Vorender The game has loads of content. It’s just not what you consider content. I’ve got more than 600 hours in this game and I’ve enjoyed all of it. So I’ve more than got my moneys worth.
So if people buy a game without checking out if they’d even like it, then it’s their own fault. Bit like how I did with Witcher 1 and 2, both were in my opinion rubbish. Money wasted. But I don’t bitch and moan across every article I can find related to the Witcher.

quixadhal
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I just hope they get the steam version(s) sorted out.  I got the game with the forever expansion pass, and when horizons launched steam nicely split it into two entirely seperate installs for me, taking up double the disk space and double the update bandwidth.

JonBuck
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Dystopiq I have two words for you: Hutton Orbital.

JonBuck
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JonBuck

I so want to love this game. I really do. I bought the Horizons expansion. Yet somehow they make flying spaceships around the Galaxy less interesting than driving a semi truck around my home state of California or planting and harvesting crops on a farm. How does that even happen?

lapo
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Xijit Horizons will have a price of 25 British pounds starting tomorrow, as stated in one of the linked pages. The base game costs 30 dollars according to the Steam page. So I guess it will be 30 + 35 after the currency conversion, unless that 25 pounds includes some sort of sale tax? then it might be less.

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Kataq Vorender People are playing games and actually expect to get 60$ worth of gameplay and production value if they pay 60$ for a released game. Twice.  It’s totally jacked up. If only these other 60$ games like Witcher3, GTA V or F2P games with tons of content wouldn´t exist, the pricing model of Frontier would look a lot better.

Xijit
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Ok, I never saw anything that said what the price would be … Are you sure that $30 & $35 is the USD rate?
Because they are known for listing GBP and 65 pounds is not the same as 65 dollars.

LordOfBread
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I think the day I´ll be handing this developer another dime will coincide with hell-freezing-over day. They have pushed my most hated company EA from the throne to place 2. Good job. EA is actually looking a lot less greedy and more customer satisfaction oriented lately.

lapo
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lapo

BalsBigBrother I have one… it is one of the worst ships in the game. You are not missing anything.

lapo
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lapo

Xijit Starting tomorrow that should be $30 for the base game and $35 for the horizons pass.

Dystopiq
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At first I was mad that I spent $60 and didn’t get my money’s worth but then realized that i did in fact get what I paid for. A space sim. It did a good job simulating a vast and empty space.

Xijit
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Kataq McGuffn Vorender 
No, they have alienated the shit out of their potential market by trying to double bill existing players and making new players essentially pay in the cost of two full games just to get a single game’s worth of content.

Perception is key in this market and they have given customers the perception that they are willing to price gouge with no remorse … there is no way in hell that new players will pay out $90 for a single game (plus having to shell out more in the cash shop if they want any of the pretty paint jobs), especially when most of the content STILL isn’t finished and will need to be patched in procedurally over the next year.

…. at which point you can expect them to scalp you for another $70.

Hell no, I ain’t paying that, and if I was the only one who ain’t paying that then the developers would not be trying to reshuffle the pay model every two months.

They have alienated the hell out of current & potential future customers and are headed for a very steep death spiral unless they pull off some kind of marketing miracle that restructures the payment model into one that is actually palatable, while at the same time find a way to back credit players who have already paid into the game without bankrupting themselves.

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Kataq Xijit McGuffn Vorender This probably sums it up nicely: http://massivelyop.com/2015/08/05/reddit-revolt-erupts-over-elite-dangerous-expansion-price/

Kataq
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Xijit McGuffn Kataq Vorender What do you think they have they been “trying to pull”?

McGuffn
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Tufty McGuffn Vorender yeah, the new way they are doing it is much better.

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