Anthem players are up in arms over this weekend’s loot nerf

    
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Turns out BioWare and EA didn’t want to wait until Tuesday to shake up Anthem: It patched on Saturday instead, with a lengthy list of bug fixes, a revamp of respawn timers, a damage boost for multiple weapons, and this seemingly dull patch note right here: “Common (white) and Uncommon (green) drops will no longer appear for players that are level 30.” Let’s just say that this is not the loot fixes the playerbase wanted. They want better good loot, not less loot overall, regardless of whether BioWare’s declared it a bug.

So since it’s 2019, Anthem players are currently busy rioting on Reddit, where a thread with nearly 8000 upvotes and a stack of community-given rewards at press time is urging gamers to protest the loot drop changes specifically by not playing from today until the 15th (I guess weekends are fair game?). “Bring back the Bug and let us taste the Lootshower,” it demands.

“Get your point across, simple as that. Stop Playing the game for a whole Week (Hopefully with the support of the entire Subreddit) to show BioWare that all it’d take for us to really enjoy the game, is to receive loot. To Receive the chance at that one 0.00001% God Roll or ANYTHING to take us further towards GM3. Time Invested Vs. Reward is a complete Joke at this point. Getting Gold and Platinum thrown at you for just stating that is more than enough to prove that point. But are you willing to stick to your beliefs? Prove it. Drop the game completely dead for a week and we’ll see. Shit like that won’t go unnoticed by Investors nor the Developers, Bioware, themselves!”

Oh yeah, and someone’s done an El Risitas meme video for Anthem just to cap it all off. I don’t usually embed these, but damn the SWTOR bit at the end cracked me up.

Source: Official site. Thanks, A Random MMO fan!

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Fenrir Wolf

I’m glad I didn’t get involved in this one. It just wasn’t fantastic enough to catch my eye, and there’s that quite vexing decision they made to have overly human robots. I mean, if you’re going to have robots, have fun with it.

I think one of the problems with Anthem is that flying just isn’t fun. It simply isn’t compelling at all. I mean, it works as a way to get from point A to point B, but really it’s no different than walking. There’s no romance to direct traversal, is there? It’s just a road trip with a bleary-eyed father and 2.5 children chanting ‘are we there yet?’ in unison.

Which, conversely, may be one of the reasons almost everyone likes The Flash better than Superman.

Yes, that was very tongue-in-cheek.

Back to my main point, yes? Okay. I think I first realised this in Champions Online. Flying in combat was a gas! I can’t fault that. Once the colourful, brightly flashing lights and brazen onomatopoeia were over, though, it was simply… direct movement. I was again faced with this truth in Xenoblade Chronicles X when I finally upgraded my mech with flight and immediately, plaintively wished that I hadn’t.

In Champions Online, Acrobatics and Swinging were by far the most entertaining ways to get around. It’s the same reason why good Spider-Man games are so very popular, yes? We have an almost innate appreciation of talented movement. Be it dance–

–or parkour–

–or just about anything which takes precision, quick thought, and coordination coupled with catlike reflexes. There’s that part of us that simply loved the feeling of speed when there’s some quotient of skill behind every minuscule action. Flight isn’t that. As I said, it isn’t romantic. That’s a huge problem for Anthem.

I really would like to see more games focus on not just parkour, but superhuman parkour to really take this to the next level. I remember the werewolves in that one movie that had incredible werewolves — which should have you all thinking Van Helsing — and how they moved. Oh, how they moved. It was glorious. That’s where my mind goes whenever I think of superhuman parkour.

Your movement needs excitement. Otherwise, it just adds to the feeling of the grind, as it does nothing at all to stimulate the player, to excite them, to let them feel the world they’re supposed to be immersed within.

I feel more games need to look at movement as a very important part of the gameplay experience, rather than just as a means to an end, yes?

Anyway, I’m going to go and watch those videos, now.

Yes, I absolutely had to link a fursuiter for my example of dancing. I mean, it’s one thing to be able to dance well, it’s entirely another to do well in a fursuit. This is one of the reasons SonicFox has gained so much cred. It’s one thing to be a truly incredible competitive gamer, and entirely another to do so in a fursuit.

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Fenrir Wolf

Welp, meant to post this in the Anthem thread. Could it be moved? Still wiped from the visa stuff. Not firing on all cylinders.

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Relen

First step – you shouldn’t buy this game

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Witches

As a SWTOR player i’ve seen them making many variations of this mistake, this has to be some kind of weird design philosophy, also SWTOR loot tables have been broken for a few years, if not too much people complain they will not fix it, so for once i think reddit drama is a positive thing, if you play the game and are looking to see this fixed, but be ready for the fix to be a draconian ultranerf to some other aspect of the game.

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Random MMO fan

It never ceases to fascinate me how some people are unable to enjoy playing the game they claim they “enjoy playing” until EVERYONE else will stop criticizing it… It’s as if they’re lying about enjoying the game and only thing they actually enjoy is arguing with people on internet and filling every thread about the game with dozens of “I like the game, people who disagree with my subjective opinion are circle-jerking haters douchbags in their echo chamber of hatred” posts (I bolded the exact words that were used in this specific thread) ;-)

It’s even more amusing seeing some people like these trying to criticize some YT content creators for “talking about this too much” while they themselves are doing exactly the same in every thread about this game ;-) The only difference is being those YT content creators don’t drop to same level as people in such threads on this site and don’t go for personal attacks using the words I quoted.

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Xijit

Uhm, excuse me but it was “douchbags posting to each other over and over again in an endless circle jerk” not “circle-jerking haters douchbags” and I ask that in the future you please refrain from paraphrasing.

But the statement still stands that “8k comments” is not the same thing as “8K users” … case in point: this thread.

as of this writing there are 42 comments, but only 15 users posting, and of those 15 users:

I have posted 11 times.
Rafael has posted 7 times.
Arms has posted 4 times.
Schmidt has posted 4 times.

So only 4 (bickering) users have produced about 2-3rds of all the comments, making this post, which stands at more comments than the daily grind, both THE MOST COMMENTED POST OF THE DAY (so far) and also nothing but a circle jerking bitch session between 4 people.

and of those 4 people, the two most outspoken (by a factor of 4) are in favor of the game and defending it from incorrect accusations (Raf stating that it was crafting materials that got nerfed, not full gear drops / me calling for patience on declaring this a stealth nerf in light of how it was a last minute thing for Bioware to split the patch scheduled for the 12th into 2 parts, so that they could get the bug fixes out early).

So following this train of thought on Hyperbolic deconstruction & using this post as an example on how misleading total comment count is: how many of those “8K” comments on Reddit are from unique users vs outspoken repeat offenders echoing each other in a bickering circle jerk?

And then on top of that what is the split between “pro” users defending the game and “con” users condemning it?

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#theydidthemath

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Xijit

damn it, now I gotta redo the math since you just bumped your post count up to 4 (1 to 3 being my cut off for “just a casual commenter” vs 4+ being an active commenter) and now I gotta add you into the break down.

I think I will tag you as the representative “neutral” party who is commenting about the comments instead of having an active hat in the conflict of the merits of the game … which then brings up the same category with that “8K” comments on “how many of those comments are actually off topic comments or ones about how dumb it is to argue on the internet about a video game.”

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rafael12104

Lol. And now you have to redo it again. ;)

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Random MMO fan

LOL.

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Targeter

“It’s as if they’re lying about enjoying the game and only thing they actually enjoy is arguing with people on internet and filling every thread about the game”

This is how I’d describe most people who fill thread after thread (with ‘hating’ replacing ‘enjoying’), here, Reddit, Twitter, with hyperbolic statements of their own personal fact about how the game is the worst ever made. It gets old.

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Godnaz

Most of the El Risitas parodies are bad. This one is pretty decent though. Got a chuckle.

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IronSalamander8 .

Well now I know where this is from! It was rather amusing even if I don’t have any skin in this game and indeed, the SWTOR reference was especially good here.

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rafael12104

They need one for SWTOR after they introduced Command XP. Heh.

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Targeter

That was a bit of a cluster that I fortunately missed. Good news, SWTOR 1-50 still a lotta fun! Even some of the later stuff is good times.

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rafael12104

SWTOR is a great game in that regard. I love it still. But left right when the Command XP debacle started and I will not return unless there is a revamp of the whole thing.

Heh. Yes, I know it won’t happen. But, I still hold out a little sliver of hope.

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Targeter

I’m starting to think that slinging crap at Anthem is a full-fledged e-sport now or something. My god. I guess it’s the cool thing to hate now? There are issues, obviously as with any game, but jesus do folks just love to go hyperbolic on this stuff. The Anthem reddit is a cesspool/echo chamber.

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Armsbend

It is fun. It was fun when EA did it to SW Battlefront.

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Castagere Shaikura

Stop buying EA games people. If EA is involved it’s their game.

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Greaterdivinity

Man, the similarities between this community and how the Destiny 2 community reacted to that games troubles are fascinating. There are a number of wildly divergent points (BW quickly acknowleding issues and working on fixes while Bungie ignored them, BW ramping up communications while Bungie was silent, Anthem issues cropping up hard right out of the gate while Destiny 2 had a while (IIRC shortly after PC launch) before the seems started showing and issues became obvious etc.), but it’s interesting that both some of the core issues are shared (significant issues with loot, though again BW seems to be much faster to address them) and so are the communities reaction (salt, followed by hope and optimism, followed by more salt etc.)

Glad I’m on the outside looking in this time, but it’s interesting shit to watch unfold.

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Xijit

It sucks being on the inside.

I just want to “Like The Thing That I Like” & am happy to wait out the storm while Bioware works on making small fixes, instead of knee jerk reactions, and have been notably prompt in addressing critical issues.

Yeah, sure, loot is still kinda bad, but you know what:

THE GOD DAMNED GAME ISNT CRASHING PEOPLES CONSOLES ANYMORE & 90% OF SOUND ERRORS AND DISCONNECTS ARE CLEANED UP.

which is why Bioware pushed out that patch as a hot fix & we have 1.06 coming out tomorrow.

And instead of opening up my phone to see stories about how Bioware fixed that no good, horrible, very bad bug with the larges game console market on the planet in less than a week; I get “EA is using the rotting corpse of Bioware to molest your puppies with low drop rates on gear that is supposed to be rarer than”Rare” end gane loot.”

P.S. Items in the Anthem cash shop are still cosmetic only outfits, paint job textures, and emotes that are permanent unlocks used to redesign your suit to your heart’s content (between missions) and range between $3.00 to $8.50; Destiny 2 sells single use paint jobs that are consumed when used & RNG gambling loot boxes that are the only way to find end game items outside of grinding PvP modes that are locked behind DLC paywalls.

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Schmidt.Capela

And instead of opening up my phone to see stories about how Bioware fixed that no good, horrible, very bad bug with the larges game console market on the planet in less than a week; I get “EA is using the rotting corpse of Bioware to molest your puppies with low drop rates on gear that is supposed to be rarer than”Rare” end gane loot.”

Because Bioware accidentally increased drop rates immensely for a few hours, the community loved it, and with the patch Bioware fixed it. So, basically, Bioware showed players a glimpse of how more fun Anthem would be if you showered players with great loot only to immediately go back to loot being rare.

It’s the same reason you should refrain from nerfing things; players that had contact with the more generous version are bound to dislike the “correct” one even if it’s better for the game in the long run, so buffing things to then nerf them can cause you to lose players.

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Koshelkin

Depends. I hate games where I get showered with crap. It’s always a struggle to sort through everything.

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Xijit

It is end game gear: it is supposed to be rare.

This is like if Blizzard had a bug with wow’s raid loot, where it was dropping raid boss gear from regular bosses.

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Schmidt.Capela

More like it was dropping half the boss’s loot table, including a much larger chance of getting the coveted and ultra-rare mount drop, for a raid boss, meaning you would be able to have BIS in every slot of your character and finish farming for the rare item in a mere fraction of the time.

The issue isn’t whether that gear should be rare, BTW; it’s about whether players prefer it to be rare. I know I don’t, which plays a large part in why I will leave games instead of engaging in their end-game.

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Xijit

Gamers will always be our own worst enemy: we want continous character progression, but we also want rapid advancement to “end game” content, and we want to be able to beat a title without hardship, but we also don’t want the game to ever be over.

And we don’t want to pay for any of it.

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Schmidt.Capela

I have too many games to be stuck in a single one where I don’t feel like I’m progressing. Progression can only keep me playing if I’m all the time feeling like my character is getting stronger (and if the game has absolutely zero PvP, because I utterly hate PvP games with progression). Which, as you say, is unsustainable.

The end result, for me, is that while a fast end-game progression might cause me to leave when I’ve gotten everything I wanted, a slow end-game progression will likely get me to leave far earlier as I shift to other games where I can feel my character is progressing.

There’s also the issue that I don’t find playing with other players, be it in PvE or PvP, any fun if there is a power discrepancy between players, so for games I intend to fully enjoy the multiplayer aspect of I really prefer very quick power progression that soon reaches the end, or even not having any progression at all.

The way to keep me playing for a long time isn’t through progression; instead, it’s by making the content fun enough that I’ll want to keep playing regardless of progressing or not. Very few developers are capable of doing this, unfortunately.

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Nathan Aldana

sure. but you know what people do in PoE or diablo when a boss drops 500 commons?

they ignore all of them, and they dont automatically loot them because they stood to near.

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Danny Smith

Honestly i think there is a certain crowd that never learns and always buys the same kind of game. No Mans Sky, Destiny, Fallout 76, Anthem and so on. Its like they get a mild whiff of open world gameplay and a ‘you can do anything’ sentiment that switches off all concepts of foresight and ‘what did i learn last time’ and every single time its a case of ‘n-no THIS is the Ur-Game that will be the greatest game i can imagine’ and they effectively soft brainwash themselves like its a mantra rather than an overblown expectation.
Then the product turns out to be average at best and either they explode with some sense of betrayal or buckle down into a paranoid mindset of a victim with a dark cabal out to attack the game and them by proxy.

Really “Just wait motherfucker” is all that needs to be said but in the age of watercooler gaming people need their day one buy because reasons? rather than just wait and see.

and they never, ever learn. Only get more bitter and crazy.

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3dom

Fortunately whole sad Anthem drama is about to die along with whatever player base is still there – because TD2 early access start tomorrow (or Friday?).

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Armsbend

EA starts tomorrow for pre-orders. The 15th is regular release day I believe. I have my game pre-loaded now looking forward to release.

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Godnaz

That extra 45 gig download though, be ready? Requirements say 50GB but was mentioned by friend it was much bigger.

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Xijit

Good: now all the ****** will go play that and those of us who likes Anthem can finally play the game in peace.

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Armsbend

Nah, we’ll still check in on Anthem because a lot of people enjoy watching Electronic Arts fail miserably. It doesn’t take much time to do a hit and run.

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Koshelkin

EA isn’t failing miserably. The internet is just the internet. Anthem was miles better than Division 1 at launch and I wish every TD2 player alot of fun with more of the dull same.

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Mewmew

Nah, the drama won’t die.

First money doesn’t grow on trees for most of us, and a great many people picked Anthem who had to decide between The Division 2 and Anthem. So that’s the choice they made and the game they are stuck playing out of the two.

Next, again with that money thing – playing Anthem is a pretty cheap thing to do because of the Origin Access and EA Access things. People can pay a pretty small monthly subscription fee and be playing Anthem. You have to pay a full price to play The Division 2. So again, many people will be playing Anthem who don’t have the extra money to buy The Division 2.

Sure, there are those with enough money who may move on, but a great many of those complaining also want to stay and play the game and are complaining because they do want to stay. They want the loot table to go a certain way and don’t like certain changes so they are complaining about them. They are trying to shape the game to be the way they enjoy playing because they’ll be sticking around to play it.

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Xijit

Dude, the patch this weekend was a technical issue hotfix for the bugs the game has been having, and it squashed most all of them, while there is another patch, a patch that includes a lot of the gameplay tweeks they announced but didn’t include in the hotfix, coming out tomorrow.

Until then, the game is still quite playable (actually, more playable now than it was on Friday) and the combat is still meaty and fun.

Pretty sure the doom and gloom is a tiny bit exaggerated.

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Schmidt.Capela

The complaint isn’t about the patch or any of its changes.

Basically, for a few hours before the patch Bioware accidentally made loot drops much better for end-game missions, to the tune of getting multiple masterwork items from each one and with a much higher chance of getting a legendary too. This was fixed with the patch. Now players are asking Bioware to undo this specific fix and bring back drop rates to that, which is to say eliminate most of the grind behind obtaining Masterwork and Legendary gear.

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“Next, again with that money thing – playing Anthem is a pretty cheap thing to do because of the Origin Access and EA Access things. People can pay a pretty small monthly subscription fee and be playing Anthem. You have to pay a full price to play The Division 2. So again, many people will be playing Anthem who don’t have the extra money to buy The Division 2.”

This confuses me. All Division 2 future content DLC’s are free, no pass needed. The Division 2 year one season pass comes with exclusive activities, 7-days early access to all free DLCs for The Division 2 and exclusive customization items.

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rafael12104

Oh, The Division 2. For a sec there I thought you were talking about a new EA sports game. Lol.