Star Trek Online considers ‘the account as the player’

    
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There’s a hot phrase bouncing around the Star Trek Online community these days, and that is “the account as the player.” This comes from both an interview and a recent Reddit AMA in which Cryptic highlighted that it is trying to develop events and rewards that benefit a player’s entire account (as much as possible) instead of individual characters.

“[This] is still something we want to strive towards when it makes sense for the game as a business,” said Lead Systems Designer Jeremy Randall. “These days we default to wanting to make it an account unlock. The situations in which we can’t come down to economic concerns.”

This quote is particularly relevant in light of a recent phoenix prize pack event that has some players salty over its perceived mishandling and excessive grind. Cryptic said that it wasn’t its intention to “inflict burnout on players” and is trying to streamline the event system as it goes into the future.

Source: Reddit. Thanks Panagiotis!

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MilitiaMasterV

I quit playing because PWE is lock-box crazy, and they own the game. If not for that, I still have a lifer sub, and the other reason I quit was because I couldn’t buy account wide things I wanted with my loads of coin from BEING lifer. I can’t remember what it was, but something about doffs (duty officers) was character specific, instead of account bound, and that irked me enough to make me leave…instead of continuing to hone my crews. Haven’t played in a long time…

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Crowe

I think they mean “the wallet is the player.”

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Peregrine Falcon

Once again…

Have they added exploration (you know, the thing the Star Trek IP is about) content to the game yet? No? Then I don’t care.

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Ririrawr

this has been an ongoing direction they have been taking, primarily, event unlocks being reclaimable account wide, more recently with the reputation progress discounts being applied automatically across the account

just hasn’t been much of an advertised direction (because cryptic, as usual)

more things in the work, but here’s the usual thing that happens whenever cryptic tries to do ANYthing: huge outcry and whinefest, with a bare handful of genuine issues being voiced

also see: endeavor system, that half the players called a new grind, when it only really benefits new lowbie alts with passive account wide buffs (earned progress towards via any high level character)

another alt-friendly thing they did with the T6 ships being claimable for use after completing the tutorial is to have the base gear scale up with the player (till 50 only)

what people mainly want is to have lockbox/prize pack ships be account wide … which considering why they are in the packs instead of store (not just revenue, but ip holder concerns of not wanting to see a LOT of certain ships in game at a time) seems unlikely, but the mastery unlocks becoming account wide is a thing under discussion

the phoenix prize pack’s whole deal is to allow a player to claim a reward (per character) from the old events that 1) did not have account-wide rewards or 2) the player completely missed out on

the current talks they mention is more focused on account-wide rewards that players missed out on, might become account-unlocked from the phoenix box now instead of just a character unlock instead

and honestly, there’s a mentality from some of the… gems among the neverwinter player base that i have seen creeping over to trek of late, to quote (from neverwinter and not just a handful of times either): “no no, complain more so we get free stuff”

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Castagere Shaikura

You really can’t believe anything these guys say. The account wide thing has been teased for almost a year now.

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The fact that they qualify this with “when it makes sense for the game as a business” just proves that they have no idea when it makes sense for the business, or why it made sense for the business when they actually followed this idea in designing and revising the game.

Saying that just allows them to string some people along with the hope that at some point, with some thing, “the account is the player” will be deemed to “make sense for the business” again. It’s clear at this point that it’s not going to any time soon, at least not until we get another big management shakeup, and unless they replace the game lead with someone who has a clue about what has allowed this plucky little game to keep on as long as it has.

Look at what they actually do, particularly since the recent change in management. Based on that, it’s clear that “the account is the player” never actually “makes sense for the business” on anything, any more, because they have added basically zero account-wide unlocks for anything significant in recent memory. And everything that even hints at account wide rewards — Temporal Recruit rerun, new recruit event — is on indefinite hold for “reasons.”

And when pressed on stuff like promotion and lock box ships gaining the new plus mastery rank to account unlock them, they just throw up the “we’re looking at it something something metrics” smoke screen. It’s all bullshit, and they keep giving lip service to this because they know what a big draw it was, while at the same time every single thing they do is the exact opposite of the design culture that, once upon a time, produced this idea.

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JonBuck

To be honest, I really hope that lockbox ships become account-wide unlocks is one of the results from this.

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Armsman

This statement is nothing new – I was first coined by Borticus over 8 months ago – WITH the qualification someone already mentioned above, namely: “when it makes sense for the game as a business”.
See:

"The Account is the Player" – Some changes I’d like to see from sto


^^^ – (and the 8 m is 8 months, not 8 minutes – click to see the original post on Reddit)

It’s just that someone brought that statement up at the STO AMA regarding the Event System changes; and some sites (like MOP) believe it’s something new Cryptic just said.

It’s not; and if anything the last 8 months since it was first utter show that for Cryptic management there have been VERY FEW times it’s made sense for the game (STO) as a business.

You’ll never see Lock Box or Lobi ships become account wide. (And if we ever do, I would expect a “STO will be sunsetted…” announcement soon after.

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NeoWolf

What Craptic says and what Craptic does Is and has ALWAYS been worlds apart.. more so since they went under the wing of the money hungry PWE.

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Mewmew

What a clueless and ridiculous statement… And Craptic? Sounds like terminology one would pick up from the grade school playground.

PWE and Cryptic have had some of the most giving free to play games out there that need nearly no purchasing at all. You can earn IAP currency just by playing and trading for it, you can buy everything for game currency in the store (all lockbox items can be sold in the store for game money), they give away tons of free top tier ships and all the best items are either got in quests or from making them yourself.

They do more and more that benefits the player and return the quite a lot of the money made back into the game to make more content. They’re one of the better free to play teams out there.

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NeoWolf

Condascending much? lol

First a life lesson, if you do not agree with someone elses opinion that is fine, normal even. But you do not get to tell me I am wrong, or attack me for my opinion simply because you do not share it. THAT is childish.

My opinion and statement is based on literal YEARS of experience with them and having witnessed time and again them make statements about intent and direction and then go 360 on such statements down the line and even deny they even said the things they said and promised in the first place they are full of PR, Marketing and Developer BS…not the worst in the industry for sure, but certainly not great by ANY means. Not to mention at least half a dozen creative directors promising the world and then not only failing to deliver on promises but jumping ship to greener pastures and leaving things to whoever is next to sort out.. its tiresome.

So do me a favor and don’t talk down your nose to me about what “I say” regarding Craptic as you have not had the experiences I have had with them, which is WHY i have the opinion of them I do.

They do ONE thing amazingly well.. make character creators, beyond that they are mediocre at best and thier business model is a penny pinching joke but then PWE’s primary concern being money is LONG established and known.

And if you GENUINELY think Craptic/PWE have some of the most “giving” F2P games out then you have CLEARLY not played many games as there is so much untruth in that statement it is downright laughable…clearly thier PR and marketing has worked wonders on you.

Also let me clarify for you I have multiple lifetimes to Craptics games having once drank the Cryptic cool aid myself.. and I have beta’ed and played EVERY game they have ever made and not much has changed in thier failure to deliver on promises over many games and many years. What they give away (And I assume you are referring to STO) is RARELY top tier anything and almost always older and lower tier or consumables or old costumes etc… The event ships are the best they “give away” and those are tied to massive grinds like usual as that is their thing…they love a good repetitive grind. STO’s space game is outstanding the ground game..not so much, its business model is however garbage and lockbox centric a la ALL PWE’s games.

They are FAR from one of the better F2P’s and if that is your standard of a “good f2p” you are doing yourself a serious disservice.

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kothoses

Well see, your opening statement is where you are wrong. You have every right to state an opinion, but it is just that, an opinion. The next guy along has the very same right to tell you they think you are wrong and why, if its subjectively wrong in their opinion they can try and change your mind, if its objectively wrong they can supply evidence to back it up.

In this case your opinion is a subjective one and heres the big things. Just because an opinion is subjective does not mean It can’t be wrong, incorrect or just disagreed with, you don’t get to indemnify your self from that just by saying “well its an opinion”.

Now, I agree with you that Cryptic have some shady stuff when it comes to their money making schemes, and I agree with the previous poster that they are also good about giving stuff away and making sure even free players have access to the cool shiny things.

But if you put an opinion on the internet, people are going to disagree with it, if you cant handle that, dont put your opinions out there, just shouting “You dont get to tell me my opinion is wrong” is basically a feet stomping tantrum.

Resorting to then implying that some one is a shill because they disagreed with you just further cements this.

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NeoWolf

…sigh, here we go.

You are correct in one aspect, opinions are subjective, I gave an opinion and in response I got the first paragraph of her response in return which was not an opinion, nor a discussion, nor a counterpoint or opposing opinion it was a childish snipe a Shill response as you call it.

My issue is not that she does not agree with me, nor did I ANYWHERE state or infer that was an issue at any time, nor was it that someone on the internet didn’t agree with me and so I was having well im going to take my ball and go home repsonse as you essentially infer. It was the entirety of the nature of that first paragraph which was ENTIRELY unwarrunted and unecessary (and considering previous interactions I’ve had with MewMew I’d also say fairly out of character).

Also I don’t need you or anyone elses approval with regard to my feeling on the Crytptic subject and NONE of you are in any position to be telling me or anyone else for that matter that I am wrong in my opinion of them… (which is a definitive respponse to an entirely subjective issue) because my opinion of them is just that, mine. I have had my experiences with them and my opinion was formed for that reason. You can disagree with it, you may have had different experiences it is irrelevant. But you cannot say it is wrong only that you do not share it and give your reasons why.

Not that I need your approval mind, I dare say if she had issue with my response she will tell me herself she doesn’t need you white knighting ;)

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Bruno Brito

I can’t speak for STO. Neverwinter F2P is a complete disgrace.

And Cryptic can make it rain diamonds on the Enclave and the game still won’t be as forgiving as Wildstar was or as GW2 is.

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ghostlight

Agreed. In fact, the Neverwinter cash shop made the STO cash shop seem like charity.

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Castagere Shaikura

Just wait until Torchlight Frontiers comes out. PWE is real sneaky on how they add p2w items in a game.

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Phubarrh

I know that even with my lifetime membership, I’ve missed a whole lot of starship giveaways simply because I haven’t gotten a captain up to the rank needed to acquire them.

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No “Tuskin” You

The minimum level to do these ship events is level 10. So that really isn’t an excuse, unless you actually didn’t know.

And all T6 ships now scale to your level so you can use them at any time.

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Matikz47

Really? Been awhile since I played. might need to stop in more often.

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leihngwei

Once one learns how the daily race courses work, the Summer and Winter events take only 5 minutes. A few more to do the DOFF missions for event currency at the Academy, ESD/First City and event location.

With the changes to them being account bound recently, only one alt needs to run them. Other than real life, definitely no excuse indeed.

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JonBuck

As a lifetime member it’s ridiculously easy to level a character from level 1 to max in the space of a weekend. I’ve done it multiple times.

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Daniel Reasor

I’ve missed a lot of starship giveaways myself, usually because I was taking a break and playing some other game’s latest expansion.

It sounds like a lot of those old rewards are being made available again, unless I misunderstood the short dev blog about rolling event prizes into a Phoenix Prize Pack style system going forward.