The Guild Wars 2 community is debating whether precursors belong in lockboxes

    
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Guild Wars 2 players are busy on Reddit this week debating whether precursors should be even tangentially in the Black Lion chest loot table following a game update that added Gnashblade’s Exotic Weapon Grab Bag (which had a remote chance to drop precursors) to the game’s lockboxes. ArenaNet has already hotfixed the grab bag to remove that chance, but the discussion forges onward all the same, as precursors are valuable loot necessary for crafting legendary weapons.

“There are things in this game that should not drop from BL chests – and precursors are one of them,” posits the original post, though there are some replies that counter the take. One of the first points out that getting a Permanent Bank Contract drop is worth enough gold to purchase seven Dusk precursors or one Eternity precursor from the Trading Post, or as the reply puts it, “Having a tiny chance to get a precursor from the bonus box is really not an issue: it’s all just gold in the end.” Another reply, meanwhile, seems to be pretty ambivalent to the addition, pointing out the various other ways precursors can be attained.

Still others believe that the addition is a slippery slope that devalues earning an item through a drop or enters pay-to-win territory. Others simply (and understandably) hate all things lootbox. We’re curious about your reactions to this addition, so feel free to sound off in the comments.

source: Reddit

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miol

predatory gambleboxes are predatory!

If you can’t get rid of them entirely, any addition to its pool makes it automatically more predatory ever so slightly!

How many times have you caught yourself in an MMO, even if you weren’t new to it, where you acquired/purchased something the wrong way!?

Remember this shitstorm, which made MOP feel obliged to create a PSA?
https://massivelyop.com/2020/05/14/psa-but-seriously-dont-buy-vampirism-cures-in-the-elder-scrolls-online-cash-shop/

Quotes:

– “The cure isn’t even a convenience, because it’s so damn easy to travel to a temple and get cured for a few hundred gold. These particular Crown Store items don’t milk rich and lazy players, they trick everyday players into paying real money for an important thing they can essentially acquire for free. To promote it just before Greymoor, when changes to Vampirism may necessitate a cure, is even worse.”

– “Either way, let this serve as a solid reminder not only to not buy these cures in the shop but also to Google everything in every MMO before you drop real money on it – because game companies don’t necessarily have disclosure at the top of their priority list.”

Especially those most vulnerable to gambleboxes are also part to the same group of players, who fall for that second type traps most often, and that should be in the considerations from all of us!

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Bryan Turner

I’m not sure how Black Lion Chests are predatory, you can farm a lot of keys just doing map completion, you can convert gold to gems to buy them, and every chest drops at least one token you can use to buy what you want from the vendor. Everything in them is basically cosmetic with some minor utility items which you can get through Daily Log In rewards.

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miol

These are called fig leaves! But sure there are certainly worse ones out there, but that doesn’t change the fact! Less predatory is still predatory! Only cushioning the blow doesn’t halt it entirely!

Anet wouldn’t even have implemented gambleboxes to be so central and visible, if they weren’t predatory! It’s a huge revenue stream!

If you’re impervious to gambling mechanics, good for you! But try to think of others less fortunate!

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Bryan Turner

Well then viva le revolution to you then.

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Godnaz

People seem to keep overlooking or forgetting how GW2 continues to provide its services and content without a subscription. They are relatively cheaper at pricing than FFXIV, ESO and likely WoW. I spend about about $20 a year on GW2 and generally have more repeat content to do than I would in those others.

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Reginald Atkins

Ascended weapons and legendary weapons of the same type have the same damage potential, only difference being legendaries can change their stat mix for various builds. So other than the bragging rights of having a legendary and the build potential convenience… does the ability to get precursors from the lockbox really matter? Also as many have stated if you want a gen1 legendary badly enough just convert gems to gold and go to town.

with PVP normalized and WvW basically being whoever has the biggest zerg wins, what does it matter?

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Arktouros

Right now it costs $6 for 100 gold in game at current conversion prices per GW2Spidy. That means the absolute most expensive Precursor, the Dusk, is $36 total. Anyone who wants to buy it or any other precursor can do so extremely cheap and far cheaper than buying Black Lion keys and shifting through the sheer volumes of garbage that will yield.

Anyone concerned about “pay-to-win territory” or “devaluing earning items through drops” or any other similar sentiments is just nonsensical at this point. The purchasing power of RL$ in the game’s current economy is strong enough that all these points are just wholly and completely irrelevant.

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Bruno Brito

Yeah. I would go against them being lockbox material, but GW2 already offers ways of you buying the precursors, and several of them are made by RNG.

That ship has sailed.

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jealouspirate

Yeah, I agree. GW2 has always been “pay to win” in this way since you can simply buy gold with gems.

In fact I recently came back to the game and purchased several full sets of exotic gear and all the gold needed for the griffon mount with my credit card.

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Bruno Brito

Exactly. While it’s alleviated by the fact you don’t have vertical progression beyond a point ( and it’s majorly irrelevant ), they DO allow you to buy power in the cash shop.

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jealouspirate

Lock boxes suck.

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Bryan Turner

these ones aren’t terrible, even if you don’t get what you want you get a token that you can save up for other things, you get trash items that are worth at least 1 gold at the vendor, and an exotic worth roughly 50 silver on average. I my self don’t buy keys, how ever I get them frequently through map completion.

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Bryan Turner

I’m glad they removed this, that was not remotely ok.

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Jetra_Virsai

Kind of lowers the value of Legendaries if you can just buy them. Bad enough there hasn’t been many new ones as of late. Doesn’t help that it takes months to get just that, imagine how bad it’d feel if everybody just bought one and is running around with a Twilight?

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Tanek

You could already buy the percursors with gold, though, yes? I mean, I have never had enough to do so, but I have seen the price listings.

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Bryan Turner

Only the Gen 1 precursors.

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Jetra_Virsai

I would figure there’s a difference between gold and MTX in that one way you don’t have to spend money while the other is almost a direct-pay. There’s still an element of RNG, but it still encourages a very bad practice of Pay to Progress.

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Tanek

The direct-pay, though, would still have been possible with one extra step. Buy gems, sell for gold.

The other reply here seems to indicate more were in the boxes than could be bought direct for gold.

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Axetwin .

Absolutely not. The GW2 lootboxes should only contain cosmetics and non-combat related functional items (vendor summoner for example). As soon as you start putting items in there that contribute to your strength, the game becomes legit p2w.

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McGuffn

I remember buying the lootbox only t5 tree node back when it was super cheap. I don’t think that baby has paid off but it’s still nice to have.

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Bruno Brito

You can already buy power in GW2.

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jealouspirate

You can already buy gold directly with your credit card and then use it to buy powerful gear, mount skins, unlock things that are gated behind gold sinks, etc. It’s been that way since the game launched.