WoW’s last major Draenor raid is Hellfire Citadel

Warlords of Draenor’s last major raid will be Hellfire Citadel, according to an interview with World of Warcraft lead game designer Cory Stockton. Patch 6.2 will also be Draenor’s last, though Blizzard Watch reports that the dev team is “keeping a close eye on how quickly players are burning through new content.”

You can read a full summary of the interview courtesy of BW, or watch the proceedings for yourself by clicking past the cut.

Source: Blizzard Watch

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carson63000
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Madruga carson63000 Tridus Ehra Of course. But the balance right now is that anyone who is level 100 and doesn’t want to whale it up spending gold can play for free with zero effort.

Madruga
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Madruga

carson63000 Tridus Ehra Keep in mind every WoW Token you buy was paid in real money for someone else. It is zero to you, but Bizzard still gets their money.

Gibs
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Gibs

Coolit So you have something that veritably shits out golden eggs and you let it die? 

Well they certainly got complacent, but it’s dying prob cause most real talent and budget is on other stuff… so prob not a good strategy. It’s ok investing in other games, but you gotta remember to keep the goose alive and well while you do that.  

Actually they got millions of subs still, so WoW is definitely well. Far from peak numbers though. People were fed up with the expansion like 3 months into it or even sooner. It’s not just people burning through content faster, the expansion wasnt good enough. And they botched the character redesign imho.

carson63000
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carson63000

Tridus Ehra The cost of subscribing is now zero, though.

MorpayneRADIO
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MorpayneRADIO

Next WoW expansion should be a version of Archeages naval component, anything less isn’t worth my time.

Alisi
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Alisi

I’ll see your WoD and raise you neverwinter nights mod 6. How bad was it? It’s the first xpac that actually left a game with less (far less)content than the xpac before it. Add all the broken abilities, bugged instances and enchants. Plus a whole lot of make the game impossible to play server lag just for fun.

EpicViking
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EpicViking

It hasn’t even been a year since it came out, and they are already done?

Celestia
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Celestia

zoward I suspect they’ll have something in game related to next summer’s release of the WoW movie, but can they coast that long on this current expansion ala Siege of Orgrimar?  I bought WoD but never logged in to try it out, first, because of the log in wait times, and second because of the reviews of friends and others saying there wasn’t a whole lot of there there.

IcaruSS
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totoroo zoward Celestia
Still not worth it.
Honestly, WoD would falter as a F2P expansion, it has a good if brief leveling game and a couple of decent raids and that’s it.

Hawkzilla14
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Hawkzilla14

As someone who just got into guild wars 2, and someone who played WoW from beta-MoP, i gotta say WoW looks and plays so terrible now the Default game of GW2 looks and feels so deeply than what WoW plays now, i feel like Blizz has stripped away the magic that was WoW I played beta for WoD but never bought it retail because i felt like the story , gameplay and classes were bombs 

sad day when F2P games have more depth now, also they better have something up their sleeve , even from 6.2 to the ANNOUNCMENT of their next expansion is gonna be boring and drive people away…

shaw sbst
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shaw sbst

Have you ever been conned?
If you bought this crap expansion, and paid the sub, now you know what it is like.

shaw sbst
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shaw sbst

Oleg Chebeneev Sythalin That was a personal quote, BTW.
To him, WoW died.

Jmerithew87
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Very true, alot off mmos I’ve played though it can be difficult to get groups for older dungeon content. From previous responses it sounds like this game has systems to encourage people to do the older content so it doesn’t seem like that will be an issue.

shaw sbst
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shaw sbst

Jmerithew87 And here we go again…
Current Stuff? Everything will be NEW, current stuff, if you are a new player!

totoroo
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totoroo

zoward Celestia WoD is 40% off till 7th July. from their mainpage

evolv_monbly
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evolv_monbly

Bolaum haha. I laughed out loud when i read that

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

Jmerithew87 Well, to give an idea, I have two friends who decided to start playing right now. One of them got on Balmung successfully the day before the Head Start hit, and the other one tried to get on from the second day of the head start forward, only finally succeeding in doing so last Tuesday in which she camped it until the servers came back up from maintenance and managed to get two characters made before Balmung locked again within five minutes.

When it comes to Balmung, just getting a character made is a progression check in and of itself.

AdeptusEnginus
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Jmerithew87 It will take you a good amount of time to get to the Heavensward content, but that’s fine. The rest of the content is still relevant thanks to them incentivizing max level players to participate in it, so you’ll never really want for a group while leveling up, If anything, if you like to play DPS, dungeon queues for them are very reasonable right now (5-7 minutes on Datacenter Aether) so it’s a good time to pop in.

When it comes to playing catch up, you will have to go through the entirety of the main storyline to do so, but that isn’t to say that it’s a slog. Save for the Leviathan/Ramuh arc, the story is a lot of fun to go through, so it’s not like in something like WoW where the quests are just a means to an end. The game as a whole is very story driven. Fortunately, the only new things you’ll be locked out of pre-Heavensward are the 3 new classes which require access to Ishgard, and flying, which is only available in the Heavensward zones anyway. The main story quests themselves have been amplified to give more experience and better gear, especially when you reach the original endgame and have tons and tons of level 50 quests, as to ensure you don’t need to run all the level 50 dungeons to meed the necessary item level requirements.

All and all it’s a very easy game to get in to, just make sure you don’t try to rush to endgame, because it just isn’t that kind of game. The journey is as important as the destination when it comes to XIV.

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

Krem Jmerithew87 That won’t ever get fixed, Squeenix couldn’t sell you more retainers if they fixed it. :P

ManastuUtakata
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Celestia 
Highly unlikely. I think Blizz could offer a steaming dog turd on a plate during a presentation, as the crowds would think that’s the greatest thing. People don’t go there to criticize. It’s never been what BizzCon is about. As it’s nothing but a gratuitous self congratulating promotional mosh pit, regardless of how well or poorly Blizz products are doing on the market, IMO.

ManastuUtakata
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Kageokami, oTQ 
I guess this is where the other shoe dropped.

Krem
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Krem

Jmerithew87 The system is damn near as close to a sandbox class system as you can get it.

Classes can be switched just by holding the class weapon (once unlocked at their class guilds), it plays exactly like a standard MMO class will do with it’s own level, gear, skill bars, etc. You don’t ‘lose’ anything by switching classes (although rested exp is shared between them), it just puts everything else ‘on hold’ till you switch back.

Cross-classing is the main meat of reason to do every class (this includes crafting which in itself has it’s own gear/exp/skillset per crafting type) once level 50 you can access up to 10 skills from a selection of other skillsets, you have access to other skills of the same archtype as a class, but only two as it’s Job (just to note ‘classes’ are a holdover from v1 the classes from ARR require your base class at 30 and another class at 15 to unlock it’s ‘Job’, these are the main roles going forward, Heavensward’s roles do not have classes and unlock directly into Jobs). This cross skill system provides a little more flexibility then other MMOs.

One issue tho there is never enough armour space to hold everything – hopfully this gets fixed in a patch soon

The_Lightbringr
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zoward Celestia I quit after Cata ruined the old world for me, came back for Panda which I liked, and played Draenor for about a week until the novelty of the garrisons wore off, that and how they basically destroyed crafting.  IMO, the best days of WoW are long behind it

Jmerithew87
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Jmerithew87

That’s good to know. I think the biggest deterrent for me has been the class system. I’m used to GW2/Rift/SWTOR/WoW/etc where you pick a class and you’re stuck with it, but have some flexibility within that class. FFXIV’s system seems very different. More rigid in some ways and more open in others.

Huckit
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Huckit

Sythalin
I do not think FF14 has hit that high yet. In February of 2015, Square Enix said they had 4 million registered accounts. Assuming a 35% retention rate (based on mmos released after 2008) that puts the subsriptions at 1.4 million. Last numbers we heard from WoW are around 7 million. If I were to guess where each are at now, FF14 may have ~3 million and wow still around 6.5 to 7 million. 

Though in 1 year, I could easily say FF14 meets wow in subs. Especially since I recently stopped playing WoW and am now playing FF14.

Huckit
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Huckit

Jmerithew87 I just got into FF14 in March, and I play casually so I have not even reached 50. I would say it is worth the money I have put into it thus far. FF14 has great story quests, class diversity, crafting system, and great graphics. I have not fully experienced the high end PvE, but I did play my friend’s level 50 through some raids. The difficulty is high enough to challenge but not frustrate. I like that they have not implemented addons, but they need to fix that map. I hate FF14’s map. It is the only this thus far I do not like about the game.

Coolit
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Coolit

Seems like a development shift from WoW to HoTS and other IP’s
which is unsurprising if they don’t feel they can stem the subscription losses
in WoW, it makes more sense to invest in your other, newer products.

Jmerithew87
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Jmerithew87

I think they’ve put themselves in a position where a good portion of people are going to feel burned either way. If the expansion comes soon people are going to be rightfully pissed for paying a higher price for the smallest expansion, just to pay it again. If they wait and pad it with a Ruby Sanctum style patch they’re going to get flak from the people who just want the next expansion.
At this point the best move I could see them doing is making the next expansion free to make up for the WoD mess. But between how Activision works and the WoW devs actually thinking the expansion was successful I’m not going to hold my breath.

Jmerithew87
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Jmerithew87

I’ve thought about getting Heavenward. Would it be easy for a new player to catch up to the current stuff?

Jmerithew87
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Jmerithew87

I wouldn’t say as a whole Blizzard is trashed, but WoW certainly is. Their other projects are doing very well, even D3 which started off as a pretty bad game. I think the problem is alot of the talent and direction that made WoW great has been moved to these other projects, which leaves WoW with this C list team which is essentially just churning out meh content to get money from the players who will never quit or bother to look for something better.
It’s definitely a shame and something I wish Blizz handled differently, but overall I think the company is doing relatively well.

Kageokami, oTQ
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Kageokami, oTQ

And the take away is over a year of kerfuffle about flight only to give us a method of obtaining flight and then to basically say but, you are not going to really get to use it because we are done with this expac. *sigh* *shakes head* *eyeroll at Blizzard*

Tridus
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Tridus

Oleg Chebeneev Sythalin WoW’s never lost 30% of it’s players in a three month period before, though. And that was before the flying fiasco and this announcement.

Expect that number to be down again, potentially a lot. And if they have another year long gap between expansions, we’ll see how low it can go.

(Of course, if they only have a short gap to another expansion, it’ll demonstrate just what a ripoff WoD really was.)

Tridus
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Tridus

Sorenthaz Fork over another $50 along with your monthly payment, please.

Tridus
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Sorenthaz Wow’s biggest feature against people quitting over this stuff is that so many people have friends in it. The networking effect is very strong in a game that large.

Of course, once people do get angry enough to quit, people then start seeing all their friends quit, which encourages them to do it too. If the tide turns, it’ll turn into an avalanche very quickly. I think that’s already happening and that in the next year we’ll find out where the floor of Chinese players is.

Tridus
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Tridus

Ehra Between the cost of WoD itself and the cost of subscribing, the cost to content ratio is among the worst in the industry.

Don’t even think about how many great games you could have bought and played with that money instead, because the number is depressing.

JudgeDavid101
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I was expecting that, especially since Blizz are spending so much time pushing HotS, SC2, D3 and Hearhstone. Not to mention Overwatch.

Blizz might as well unlock flying with an optional gold price as well as the questline if Hellfire is the last raid, there’s no content to miss now. They should also put flying in at the start of the next expansion but for a ridiculous amount of gold to help sell WoW Tokens. Sure, new content can be skipped but for a massive price. Some might take a while to gain that gold or buy it if they really want to go to such lengths. Or go through the content to gain the gold. 

Blizz may want to consider launching a modified progressive WoW server without flying at all to keep that bunch happy, and make a few extra coins.

WoD has been regrettably underwhelming but I have enjoyed some parts of it, the virtual landscapes were great. And I’m glad Draenor was saved and Grom turned out right and didn’t buckle. Now the player Draenei have a nice world to return to if they ever get tired of Azeroth.
I’m still taking s.e.l.f.i.e.s

Oleg Chebeneev
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Oleg Chebeneev

Sythalin “RIP WoW”. Been hearing this since Burning Crusade

zoward
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zoward

Celestia I suspect they’ll announce a new expansion and all their past sins will be forgivien … at least within the walls of Blizzcon.  I still haven’t bought Warlords of Draenor – just based on the feedback I heard from people I couldn’t make myself pay the $50 +$15 to resub to find out if I would like it.  I guess I’ll pick it up cheap later on if I think the expansion is worth playing through.

CalJenks
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CalJenks

Ruby Sanctum 2.0 in patch 6.2(b) inc?

Ehra
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Ehra

$25 per patch, one of which was just a bug/feature patch. That’s some pretty expensive DLC.

Celestia
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Celestia

They better think fast or there will be a riot at Blizzcon.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

exeeter DugFromTheEarth chriskovo 
It certainly had it flaws at the beginning (ie. The Great Wall of Dailies)…but in the end it was one that was of far better quality and for thought than what is becoming half assed WoD.

ManastuUtakata
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Greaterdivinity Zuji 
And they’re cutting the operating cost for what? Someone or someone’s at Activision/Blizz sitting on shit loads of money they’re not investing back into WoW, let alone the rest of the company. One, that if they owned TERA IP along with the rest of their roster, could give every playable race and gender a Gunner class, with all the appropriate animations and not bat an eye financially. And those assets is probably growing in interest at an ever exponential rate. I am becoming more and more convinced that it’s not they can’t invest back into their games, they simply don’t want to. And therefore, the cutting is very evident of that.

AdeptusEnginus
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AdeptusEnginus

I’m honestly too busy enjoying Heavensward to care how badly WoW has been screwed up at this point. All my old WoW friends are still playing and enjoying the raid content, I can’t help but wonder if that will continue should this turn into another prolonged content drought.
Eorzea may be the first virtual world to keep me, in this post-azeroth landscape. Personally I’m fine with that, but it still sucks watching WoW whittle away from the behemoth it once was. At this point I think I’d rather just hold on to my mound of fantastic, fond memories than risk returning to Blizzard’s little abode only for the harsh reality of what it has become smacks me over the head like a metal 2×4.

Oh WoW…I can’t grow to hate you…but I can’t come to play you anymore, either.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

Ceder ManastuUtakata Greaterdivinity 
And yet their smaller competitors seem to churning far more elaborate content at a faster rate with smaller budgets. The excuses can only go so far if their lesser kin where financially imploding. But they don’t even have that. The ability to doublespeak and a hubris is all they’ve got. At some point something has got to give.

BhimaJenkins
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Greaterdivinity DugFromTheEarth

Hey now, Hearthstone is actually a great game. But yeah, I agree with the sentiment that it would be nice to see Blizzard put forth a greater effort to evolve, and make WoW a great game again. But how much of that is even possible? Is the WoW style of game just losing steam due to people having already played it for a decade?

BrotherMaynard
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BrotherMaynard

This is just WoD fiasco damage control – only a couple of weeks until the next investors call, they need to distance themselves from this ‘expansion’ as much as possible before the inevitable next expansion announcement in Gamescom. Compared to FF14 re-launch, the way Activision goes about it does not bode well for the future WoW content. There should be a clear public apology to their customers, admitting they screwed up, etc, etc. I know, it’s like expecting the hell to freeze over, with Activision steering this boat.

Anyway, time to start betting on the big sub number reveal – I bet my Sword of Thousand Truths on 5.5 mil.

With love and plenty of prophecies,

Salzman

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

This makes me glad that I didn’t buy into the expansion though.  $50 for the smallest expansion in WoW’s history after 14 months of no new content?  Yeah fuck that.  I don’t understand how Blizzard thinks they can get away with that shit.  Honestly paints the picture that they’re just cashing out on WoW’s playerbase as much as possible while focusing their efforts in the F2P market with Hearthstone, HotS, and likely Overwatch.
If they don’t get the new expansion out by the end of the year and try to continue charging $50 for this crap, I’ll be genuinely amazed if WoW’s subscriber numbers don’t dive down to 5 million.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

ManastuUtakata Greaterdivinity  Guessing there’ll still be smaller patches but no new raids.  Though by the sounds of the article up above there won’t even be a 6.3?  So it’ll probably be shit like 6.2.1 or whatever.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

So it’s a shorter expansion than the previous ones.  Huh.  Hope that means that the next expansion will actually be out by the end of the year or by early next year.  Otherwise they’re going to be repeating their mistakes between 5.4 and 6.0 all over again.

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