Skyforge ‘won’t tolerate the word P2W’ [Updated]

Skyforge apparently doesn’t take too kindly to accusations of pay-to-win.

In response to a North American Skyforge player’s admittedly originally badly worded question about the differences between the Russian and North American cash shops, Allods Team Community Manager Maeron told players that the team “won’t tolerate the word P2W” or any other “oversimplification” of the game’s monetization. “Please note that repeated failure to comply shall result in the removal of your forum rights and beta access,” Maeron wrote before locking the thread.

It’s worth noting that while Skyforge did give out beta keys through outlets such as Massively Overpowered, it also sold beta access via founders packs. The game’s second round of beta began earlier this week.

We’ve reproduced the explanation in its entirety below.

Monetization in free to play is often a source of endless debate involving different parties, ranging from the “core freeplayers” to the “compulsive buyers”.

One of the challenges of developing a “free to play” is addressing the demands of each party. Once you’ve formalized and implemented a plan, however, you’re still not done.

You often have to communicate with your members and explain the underlying mechanisms of your design – and doing so usually dissipates most concerns and leads to better feedback from players. Over time, both the developers and players grow a better understanding of sustainable commercial practices.

However, these days it’s no longer possible since too many people are prone to pasting the term P2W onto pretty much every situation. This behavior is extremely harmful, in the sense that it damages the image of a game before it has even had a chance to reach to its community. One must trust the developers’ vision.

It also weakens the dialog between the community and the developers of the game they play.

For these reasons, we will strive to provide answers to our members in need of details regarding our monetization – but in turn, we won’t tolerate the word P2W as of today, nor tolerate oversimplification of monetization in topics.

Members participating in the forum this early in the game project ought to allow its community to grow with a sense of responsibility and communication practices that don’t undermine their relationship with the skyforge team.

We’ll still ask you to respect our rules out of respect for the community that will establish here and align with the developers’ views. Once OBT opens in our territories, everyone will have a chance to check the monetization aspects of Skyforge for themselves.

Please note that repeated failure to comply shall result in the removal of your forum rights and beta access.

We’ll have a first round of impressions on the game out later today, so stay tuned.

[Source: Official forums. Thanks, Mark!] [Update: Skyforge PR has let us know that the original statement on the forums has been retracted (it’s currently been struck-through and is still readable, however). Community Manager Maeron has appended a new note that reads, “In no way did we intend to censor anyone. We respect all opinions and are open to all feedback from our community. Closing this topic and our post above (now strikethrough) was a mistake and we apologize. At the same time we want you to note that we would like to address any question you have and would love to know your personal impressions of the game after you have played it. We appreciate your feedback, please keep it coming! Thank you.” A second note reads, “Answers will be coming as we agreed already. I’m really sorry I caused all that stir… My intent was mostly to urge players not to use harsh wording so no fences will raise and harm our exchanges… But I must have been carried away… I apologize.” Multiple threads relating to the issue have also been restored and unlocked.]
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Xansabar So this whole thing is about people poisoning the waters before it is even decided what the payment scheme was goign to be like. And the subject was not banned. Just the use of one word. hardly what I would call censorship. If you’re not going to try the game, fine, but this is a silly reason not to.

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Xansabar GoJammit Not necessarily true. With certain things taken off of the table, you can focus on things that matter. I’d love to do that for presidential elections. Toss out a couple of subjects that are merel;y distractions. Plus P2W is a trigger word. Humans are that dumb that they can discuss an issue with different language and it changes the conversation. 

You want in depth, sometimes It’s ok to be in the shallow watter to make sure things are straight before the deep dive.

Xansabar
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Xansabar

GoJammit  It doesn’t. and never would. Censorship CAN NEVER create more in depth conversation. Censorship destroys constructive criticism because it makes everything one sided. You’re logic is faulty my friend.

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Xansabar

Hi I made an account just to say this. Even though I’m a year behind. I just wanted to say that I was looking at possible games to download and I came across skyforge. Thnking it was a cool looking game I started to research it to see how free-to-play it was, and for the most part, what I read made it sound like It was a pretty fair system. I myself usually put some money down on free to play games I like enough, so long as I feel the transactions are fair. But then I came across this page, and it disgusted me. The fact that a group of developers agreed among themselves to censor their fanbase shows me and everyone that they are not confident in their system. I’m not saying that the system implemented is bad or good, but I am saying that attempting to censor the forum writers is a great way to turn fans away. Forums are there so we can debate these things and make points about the game. If your system is fair than your game will persevere in spite of the haters. Censoring the fanbase and restricting what they are and aren’t aloud to debate about in regards to the game is a recipe for mass distrust In the developers. I was maybe minutes away from downloading the game, but now I won’t so much as google it’s name ever again. So I hope the developers see this and know, that even in 2016, they are losing potential fans. I don’t know if this is still being enforced, but regardless I won’t be playing this game ever.

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Lights_andMusic your mom shoud’ve swallowed you.

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Lights_andMusic

Can a mod delete this troll account, please?

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Bluehound

Direcrow You sound mad and you type mad ;) I am superior since you are a scrub who cant even spend money since you dont have money broke AMF ;) lol google Bluehound and youll see not just on skyforge but i dominate EVERY game I PLAY,trust me  you are nothing compared to me. I ain’t even mad i got all i Need and Want :) you sound angry im superior in every way.

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Bluehound Direcrow Oh and trust me, there are plenty of people superior to me, you are not one of them.

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Bluehound Direcrow I’m not mad, why would I be mad that a guy was so bad at a game that he had to pay for victory and then sell his account just to break even? Shit you should be angry, not me.

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Direcrow well yeah it was worth it roflstomping your way to end game content, nothing to do i always win PvP my win rate is so high that I got all my money back, since my stats in both PvE and PvP are so high i “Easily Sold My account to playerauctions.com  and got my money back so yeah theres no money lost ;) dont be mad  just because someone is more superior than you.