Black Desert revamps endgame PvP with new militia system

    
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All right, my PvP dudes. If you love PvP in MMOs but aren’t into cheapo ganking over prime farm spots, you reallllly need to take a look at what Black Desert is up to with its new militia system, which is basically a new warfare-scale endgame mode for the sandboxy MMORPG.

“Militias are open to any guild and make one of Black Desert Online’s more prominent late game features a lot more accessible. Militia participants will have to choose sides and join either the challenging guilds that are on the offense or the ruling masters who are defending their castle. Any adventurer who is affiliated with any guild and meets the requirements can enter in either the Offensive or Defensive Militia. For each area, a total of 100 players can join a Militia, with 50 players on each side. The longer a guild successfully maintains a territory, the larger the amount of available Offensive Militia will grow each week.”

Interestingly, Kakao has also added what it’s calling a “platoon” system that’s sort of like a PvP raid group feature. Check out the video guide to the whole shebang down below.

Source: Official site, press release
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Arktouros

The conquest mechanics are more exciting than the Militia changes to me.

The new siege weapons should be very interesting to see how effective Axes are at tearing bases down. Also with the new gate mechanics it could mean big changes for an owner potentially. Looking forward to tomorrow’s streams and seeing how it all works out.

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Schmidt.Capela

The only thing about BDO’s PvP that actually matters to me is, does it still have mandatory PvP flagging at max level? While that is the case I won’t be playing the game, no matter how rare getting attacked actually is.

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Arktouros

Yes you can still be flagged on and killed post level 50 outside of safe areas.

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Robert Mann

Node wars were always a pain IMO. It’s like “Hey, you don’t have any interest in this, especially since you are trying this out at low level on sale… take this hour where you can’t really do anything and have fun!!!” Oh, this was the time you had free to play? Well, might as well forget the game today, and hope tomorrow you have a better time matchup to avoid this issue!

One of a few really terrible design choices, in my opinion.

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Arktouros

You mean the hour where you swap to the 34(43) other channels (copy of the game world) where Node Wars and their despawning of mobs doesn’t occur?

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Robert Mann

Ah yes, “Go to another channel!” So… forget anything that I may have been doing with any social interaction, or take an inordinate amount of time to arrange where we are all going. Not a good fix, thanks.

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Schmidt.Capela

Yeah, some games (and not just MMOs) have this choice. Give up on social interaction if you want to avoid PvP. Kinda dumb, if you ask my opinion, since voluntary social interaction is one of the best ways to extend how long players will stay in the game.

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Arktouros

That’s not at all what’s happening here.

There are 6 channels in the game, out of 40 total, that every night at 9pm EST go into Node War status and all the mobs disappear until all the node wars are done. Soon as that’s over all the mobs come back. So if you literally choose any of the other 34 options (43 if you have Olvia/Steam access) this is never an issue.

Even then if you’re sitting around town and socially interacting, you can still interact around town no issue as the “Safe spaces” (IE: Where you can’t attack players) are still safe.

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Orenj

I gotta go with Ark on this one. It’s a pretty established mechanic; everyone who’s been playing any length of time learns that the node wars take place in channel 1 of the appropriate game world region group… for example Northwestern Gateway, in Serendia, will have it’s node wars on the Serendia 1 channel. Consequently any activities of any note tend to stick to channels 2+.

It’s not like it hasn’t been documented in excruciating detail on the official site since the release of node wars, either:
https://www.blackdesertonline.com/game/warfare/

So: log in to a channel other than 1. If someone suggests to jump to 1 for something, suggest “let’s avoid the node war channel”. Easy peasy!

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Robert Mann

There’s nothing in game to note it. It’s poorly explained if that is so. To the point where, unless a person researches that, they wouldn’t know.

Which means… that it was badly done. Because guess what, having played but not looked into it, it made sense to me that it would also occur on other channels and all that.

Simply put, given this, the game devs FAILED at helping people understand that mechanic, letting players who didn’t really understand suffer. So it can be avoided, apparently. Great. Problem is, when you don’t explain that in game and rely on people looking up FAQs or other stuff about the thing… you end up with people who are frustrated, being social in a setting, and suddenly are interrupted, and worse don’t know what to do about it.

So, finding this out here actually makes that issue that much worse to me. If they had bothered to, say, have a spot in the tutorial a couple levels in that talked about it, and noted switching channels and avoiding it, different story altogether. No such thing happened, a bunch of us were frustrated and stopped playing very often. Was not well done.

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Arktouros

Forget you literally could have been on any one of those 34(43) channels forever and it would never affect you ever again? Having the conversation, “Hey everyone lets play on ________2 so we never have to worry about node war timers ever again.” just too much?

I mean it’s okay to not like a game and say it wasn’t for you but common man. Don’t need to exaggerate unbelievably easily avoidable mechanics as the whole lynch pin why you don’t play the game. It’s okay to just not like the game.

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Robert Mann

Okay, as I noted in reply to the other person here: the game didn’t tell us that.

Nothing. Nada. We knew there were other channels, but that many of them didn’t have node wars? Nope. So we said ‘Well, where is the point in that? Just means when we have a different timing it’ll impact us.’ Given that we actively chat and meet new people, that was a major problem to us.

It’s okay not to understand why people are upset, but come on man… don’t accuse them of something malicious over that. Especially when that person notes some good things about the game elsewhere too. That’s not cool!

Failure to mention such things IN GAME is a huge problem. Players should never have to go running off to a FAQ or something for what is a major impact.

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Arktouros

If I’m not mistaken the system notification that pops up on your screen should tell you that the channel is going into Node War mode in X minutes and you need to swap to an other non-war channel if not participating. If you’d like tonight during node war times I’ll go swap to a ____1 channel and take a screenshot for you.

Accusations over “malicious” intent simply the most likely reason to misrepresent the scenario in game. For example your primary complaint is that you were doing social interaction/activities. This implies a group or group structure. This expands the issue to multiple players. As it’s extremely common knowledge among the player base regarding node wars this makes it less and less likely that it was simple ignorance on all of your parts. More over it implies that no one in your group bothered to look up the answer or ask how to avoid it. This includes in game as a group who is, clearly, unafraid of social interaction simply asking a question in chat regarding the matter would have resolved your ignorance.

So with the fact that there are in game notifications and a variety of other players to get this kind of information it’s hard not to come to a “malicious” conclusion. However I don’t think your intent was malicious, but rather I have observed most people feel they need to justifying reason why they quit a game (any game) and for whatever reason sometimes they resort to exaggerating or making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Robert Mann

You get a pop-up, but it never talks about how the other channels never see a node war. So why would somebody expect that? Yes… it always said node war is coming, but nothing other than that you can change channels. Which doesn’t fix any of the problems with not providing the information that is really needed there.

Interestingly enough, I never heard about it. At all. Despite complaints in chat. Maybe people assumed we knew and were trolling, but we honestly had no clue.

Where I’m not trying to justify (BDO is fun in little bits, and we didn’t completely quit) I know it is frustrating for people to ‘exaggerate’ or attack a game you like. Might be something you want to consider, since you come across with a hard line.

Simply put, nobody said anything and the game didn’t tell me. So how am I supposed to know? We never had the motivation to switch, because it was a hassle to organize and we expected it to be a thing on all those other channels at times too. So we weren’t going to learn that way. None of us really want to spend hours digging up every bit of information about a game first. Booooooorrrrrinng! At least to us. And that pop-up would, for instance, have been a great place to explain that the node wars don’t occur on those other channels… which makes the lack all that more glaring again.

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Reselect Name

Why would any PVPer play this game?

There is no PVP until you reach max level. Worst design ever.

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Melissa McDonald

Pretty interesting spin on it. You have to hand it to BDO, it doesn’t just sit there and stagnate.

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Alyn

I generally will stay away from pvp communities and mmo’s that force you to take part. I spent 3 years pvping my brains out in Lineage 2 back in the day.