WoW Classic dishes on plans for Alterac Valley as Blizzard fundraises for WoW esports

    
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Ah, Alterac Valley. That battleground and I spent thousands of hours together back in the early days of World of Warcraft. I remember its toddler years, back when it took days to win lose the map, and its awkward teen years, when there may as well have been no enemy players since everyone was zerging as fast as possible for the commander huts and ignoring each other on the way there.

Blizzard remembers too; it says it’s resurrecting a very specific version of the old AV for these vanilla servers.

“First and foremost, we’re planning to use the 1.12 version of Alterac Valley,” Blizzard posted today. “For many parts of the game like this, we’re picking an original WoW patch that gives us the most clarity for WoW: Classic, and 1.12 is that patch. In Alterac Valley, that puts us before the introduction of reinforcements. It puts us before the removal of all of the Commanders and Lieutenants. The only win conditions are the killing of Drek’thar in Frostwolf Keep or Vanndar Stormpike in Dun Baldar.”

Blizzard suggests that this particular moment in time cuts down on the number of NPCs bosses that needed to be taken down as well as encourages side activities (like turning in armor scraps). Oh, and no Korak. Awww. The downside is that it kinda sounds as if PvP battlegrounds won’t be launching right away with the rest of the game.

Meanwhile, the company is talking up its latest cosmetics sale, a quarter of the proceeds of which will go toward the WoW esports prize pool, which is… well, nothing about this is likely to make you want to buy stuff, is it.

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Test Test

So, classic is not classic then.

Whats the point?

Oh and enjoy your zerg rush to boss, because thats what this Alterac Valley was.

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IronSalamander8 .

I don’t like esports at all, and WoW esports seems like it would as exciting as looking at the floor.

I just don’t get the nostalgia for classic WoW, you’d get stuck looting, if you were horde (on my old server at least) you couldn’t even play the damn thing as your quest givers were camped constantly by skull con alliance, I’d lose my goblins going back, it felt like EQ lite, etc. I mean it still feels like EQ lite but at least I’ve had some fun with it thanks to some of the better expansions, even if not right now.

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velimirius

Kill HOTS to fund wow esport lol

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maydrock .

As long as it’s not the zergfest AV, I’m sure I will spend many many hours in there.

As a side note, did they have a full set of pvp gear in vanilla? Or, did that come along in BC?

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J

1.12 was the birth of zergfest AV. That is why everyone is having a cow on the forums right now.

1.12 was fine for all the PVE side stuff, but it was the point where AV shifted to its modern model.

1.5:

• Winterax Hold
• Wildpaw Ridge
• Syndicate NPC’s
• Mine Layers, Landmines
• Korrak the Bloodrager
• Portable Shredder Unit
• Tower/Bunker Guards
• Lots of Standing Guards
• Lots of Patrols
• Long battles

1.8:

• Winterax Hold removed
• Wildpaw Ridge removed
• Syndicate NPC’s removed
• Mine Layers, Landmines removed
• Shorter battles

1.10:

• Korrak the Bloodrager removed
• Portable Shredder Unit removed

1.11:

• Tower/Bunker Guards removed
• Most Patrols removed
• Most Standing Guards removed
• Ridiculous short battle

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maydrock .

Awe, oh well. Thanks so much for the detailed reply.

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Sally Bowls

TYVM!

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Crowe

Excellent, thanks so much for the breakdown on this. It’s pretty rare that I PvP these days so that will likely end up being good news for me in terms of where the focus is on/which version for Classic launch.

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Utakata

It maybe fundraising…I’m not sure it’s charitable, when the proceeds goes to something the for profit is planning to capitalizing on. O.o

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Utakata

Edit/Erratum: …when the proceeds goes towards* something the for profit is planning to capitalizing on…proper.

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Sally Bowls

The closest to eSports I ever watched was the EVE Alliance Tournament (RIP.)

But isn’t this just standard in eSports? E.g. for Lol’s Worlds 2018: “12.5% of sales from Championship Kha’Zix skins & Championship ward skins is added to the prize pool. Another 12.5% of sales of the aforementioned skins will be shared between all teams at the event.” It may not be a coincidence that Blizzard’s percentage is the exact same as LoLs?

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Älexandra 32 min ago 120 Human Death Knight MOON GUARD @Nexius: that’s why they do these terrible changes, to cater to esports.

When you’re right, you’re right.

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styopa

Wait, they are saying “buy our shit, and we’ll ‘donate‘ some of your payment to fund our other commercial venture”….that’s bold?

Seriously?

Did I get bonked on the head and words not mean what I think they mean? Is Blizzard not still a company taking in lessee….assume 5 mill subs, * $144/year = about $720 million annually (not including box sales for Legion, etc)? They want you to ‘donate’ to their own flipping tournament?
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Bruno Brito

Eh, they’ve been doing this for years now. Just that their ventures were…well, better.

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Sally Bowls

Just FWIW, in the last quarter Blizzard reported $686M of revenue.

Blizzard can’t win though. If they did not do this, players would complain about why they don’t do this as their competitors do? Why don’t you support OW and the OW prize pool the way Riot supports LoL? If the eSports customers expect this to happen and the people not eSports customers expect it not to happen, then IMO Blizzard is probably better off catering to the customers instead of the non-customers.

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Bereman

It would probably help Blizzard if this was, in any way, close to what their competitors do.

Those Battle Passes, such as the kind Valve has for DOTA2, are chock full of stuff to earn through either paying for the levels upfront, playing the game, or a mix of both.

Slapping up a couple toys (one of which can only be used by any given player once an hour and the effect only lasts 20 minutes..and it alone costs $10), overcharging for them and then sending $2.50 of each one bought to an eSports prize pool?

That’s an embarrassment.

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Roger Melly

I’m not sure if they have five million subscriptions left . I’ve heard speculation that its between two and three million but god knows how accurate that is .

Probably will jump above 5 million again once classic is released .

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Paragon Lost

My favorite over all version of AV. Thousands of hours indeed.

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Morgan Feldon

It’s sure taking a ton of time, money, planning and marketing for Blizzard to do something a few guys did for free.

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Harry Koala

If by “a few guys did for free” you mean several years of iterative improvements by a lot of people to get something unstable, buggy and plain wrong in many ways, for which they pull in quite a bit of cash, with an overall quality and scalability that would be totally unacceptable of blizzard did it, then yeah, you’ve got a point…

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Bruno Brito

Except…that wasn’t really the case? I get the TotalBiscuit reference of “held with ducttape and twigs” but it wasn’t THAT bad, and believe me when i say, i’m one of the people who thinks pservers shouldn’t EVER become classic material.

There were some weird values for sure, but pretending that it wasn’t a success considering what it was set to do is ingenuity. It was.

Stability in pservers are highly dependant on the pserver in question. Kronos 1 was stable. Kronos 3 was a shitshow. Kronos 2…we don’t even talk about Kronos 2. Elysium was godawful. Light’s Hope was stable. Netherwing is smooth as hell. Not all servers needed to cut corners to achieve stability. Warmane had several thousand players and almost never dc’ed.

Plain wrong is…yeah, it has merit, but it’s a bit of a stretch. Bugs are common, for sure, but not as people seem to believe. People think that all pservers bosses are tank-spanks, they aren’t.

I do totally agree on “Blizzard’s quality”, but at the same point, this is the company that is holding hands with NetEasy to make a Diablo Mobile as a continuation of the franchise. Blizzard’s “Quality” is merely something technical these days.

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Sally Bowls

For me, the main thing is security. I am strict and am not sure that if your client or server hasn’t been patched in a month or two it should be on my internet. :-) I think one of the biggest or at least most visible targets of hacking, phishing, DOS, etc this year will be Classic. I would never consider giving financial/PII or running a program from volunteers with illegal-in-the-US software. For me, I think that there is a huge difference between “getting something basically working” and “getting something working at a quality, security and maintainability that most Bliz customers expect.” There is value in the former for some, but Bliz needs to aim for the latter.

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Bruno Brito

If you’re talking about pserver security, i have nothing to say to you that you don’t really know. You make new emails for each account because while most pservers are pretty tame, security breaches do happen, and these people aren’t professionals by any stretch of the imagination. Leaks happen once in a while.

I don’t disagree in any way with Blizzard going full pro here. Specially since i was one of the advocates that Nostalrius having 10k people was jackshit, since Blizzard won’t leave the bed for less than 2 million. What happened was pressure. I’m willing to bet the Classic talk became real when Activision started to demand bigger returns from an outdated game.

So, i’m pretty confident at least Classic, Blizzard will completely nail it. They can’t fuck this up, because they’re on the chopping block. Several of their games is already in “loot-and-dash” mode, and it shows. WoW is one of the last to have full support, and they need to rack in the money fast.