Path of Exile’s community fiercely debates what to do about trading

    
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It was a quiet morning. Quiet, that is, until one Path of Exile player posted a lengthy criticism of the game’s trading system to Reddit. Then it was quiet no longer, as the post sparked a fierce debate among the community over what should (if at all) be done with the MMOARPG’s trades. With over 5,500 upvotes and 2,000 comments, this post obviously struck a nerve.

The crux of the argument is that trading is a wildly messy process that relies on third-party apps and forums posts to make deals between players (there is no central auction house to bind this scattered economy).

The original poster said that GGG needs to get on this, right now: “Trading needs a fix. Consider a decentralised marketplace with a single point of discovery and seamless transactions which don’t put users at risk of scams or cons. Don’t push 4.0 out until you have reworked trading, because it IS and has for a long time been such an integral part of the game, and pretty much a meta game in itself.”

Not everyone sees eye to eye with this conclusion, as some defended the “vision” of the studio. One poster retorted that “trading is currently as difficult (and the developers wanted it much more difficult) as it is on purpose. Item acquisition and content completion was never intended to be as quick as it is today. This has been said in developer talks. Stop asking for this to be faster.”

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Arktouros

This is basically the only game I don’t actively report bots in because without trading bots the entire trade system would actually be entirely unsuable.

The problem is simply scalability at the size POE is now. It’s too big and there’s too many people playing for any kind of trade API or system to keep up with. Like if you go to trade just about any currency, you usually end up sending 5-10 tells before you actually get invited to trade and sometimes even more if the market API is lagging.

Now one might be quick to assume it’s price fixers but it’s just that they’ve already traded the item and you’re 100th person to spam message them looking to buy from an “old” (minutes) trade API information. Then you sprinkle in price fixers and people who are trying to manipulate the trade API by listing items they won’t ever trade in hopes of people trying to undercut their lower prices.

This is already on top of the typical frustrations of peer to peer trading systems where people log off, are super busy in the middle of a map, super busy in an instance they can’t hop out of, and all the various issues there in. I’ve had people I invited to trade hop into my hideout, then see a Temple or syndicate encounter open and just start farming like it was some sort of invitation to group. I’ve actually barricaded off my hideout as a result.

What they need to do is implement a vendor system that when enabled allows players to visit your hideout anytime and purchase whatever they want off a vendor. It avoids scammers cause you can clearly see what you’re purchasing. It avoids low ballers who never respond trying to drive the price down since people can just go purchase their item. It enables people to do whatever content they want and still sell things or log out. You still will probably have to visit more than a few vendors to get what you want for high volume trade commodities but at least you’re not spamming chat with no response.

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Ashfyn Ninegold

SSF here and unlikely to change. Right now, GGG’s trading situation reminds me too much of Diablo 2’s, which I am reminded by the Way Back Machine is the game GGG fashioned PoE after.

Would I trade if GGG had a decent AH? (Decent meaning searchable, time gated and non-cancel.) Since that’s unlikely to happen, I don’t think about it.

Trading for some players is the core game of PoE. It’s the whole reason they play the game, seek out OP league-meta builds and play the hardest content. It isn’t actually about the game, their build, the Atlas or anything else. It’s about trading. So those things only matter insofar as they impact trade.

Let the traders and would-be traders sling words at each other, the only words that matter are the ones Chris Wilson said about an in-game auction house, and I paraphrase here, “No, no and no.”

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Greaterdivinity

Been following this debate and I get both arguments, but I’m firmly on the, “Fuck your hardcore, that’s not fun for most people. This is the year of our lord 2020, we can have some nice convenience features, tryhards.” side of things.

Trading isn’t awful overall, but between scammers who have been on the rise this league, the frustration of trying to do something simple like trade currency and need to go through messaging 40+ people before someone responds, and the way that trading can interrupt normal gameplay (especially if you’re in delve etc.) need to be addressed at the very least.

The game isn’t by any means what it was years ago, and as I said in the other PoE article IMO is desperately in need of some major QoL feature love.

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ichi sakari

fun game with a great monetization, lots of updates, interesting mechanics

trading is the worst part of the system, I can see why they want to slow item acquisition rates and it is clear that devs had a vision for trading, but it could be improved

SSF is one option, but since trading is part of the game it should be as clean and simple as possible

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Armsbend

So basically the oldest conversation that has been in the game since 2012?

Trading in this game is perfect as is. Finding an ultimate deal. Getting more for your item than it might be worth. Getting scammed is all part of the game. It is pure capitalism. Think before you react. It is as much a part of this game as is clicking on monsters.

It is SO much easier than it used to be. The 3rd party apps and websites are secure and brilliant.

GGG has stated this many MANY times – hopefully this tired argument will blow over.

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zuldar

Getting scammed is all part of the game.

Scamming should never be encouraged or enabled.

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Greaterdivinity

Relying on third party sites is a crutch, and always will be.

“Pure capitalism” is actually accurate, including the great disparities that come with it as folks RMT for currency (my brother’s even done that through a third party site he uses). Plus wildly unstable markets that are often at the whims of whatever popular build big streamers are playing.

Getting scammed is part of the game, but it’s also something that can completely ruin the fun, or game, for the victim, who may not be familiar with the multiple scams that exist (and the new ones popping up frequently). And GGG won’t take action against scammers, either.

Trading is not, and has never been perfect. GGG’s attempt to add it to their site has largely not gone over super well as it works no better than poetrade (which is ABYSMALLY slow at times).

We’ve already gone over this with Destiny and it’s not different here: Needing to use out of game resources for what is pretty core functionality for the game (trading, which is a major part of the endgame) isn’t acceptable. This isn’t 2012 anymore. This isn’t even 2015. We’re in 2020 and GGG can and should start acting like that at some point.

They’re no longer some scrappy startup with a crowdfunded title made by fans, they’re a pretty major studio working on multiple titles now. A major studio that had a huge injection of cash from Tencent when they bought a majority stake in the company.

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BalsBigBrother

A thing I wasn’t aware of about POE until recently was that solo self found league is not a default option for new accounts. You unlock it at the same time as you unlock Scion.

I mention this because I am on a new account on PS4 so started this league in the trade league instead of my usual ssf.

I figured while I was here I may as well give trading a go and tried to buy some levelling gear.

So on console there is an in game trading board that you can search for stuff so that is good but that is the only highlight.

It has a filter kind of in that you can enter a word such as “fire” for instance. However it only highlights items with that word much like when you filter maps etc in tabs. The problem is that it doesn’t actually filter anything out that doesn’t fit the search so you have to scroll through lot and lots and lots of pages hoping to see the highlighted item. It will either have a currency price or make an offer. If you find the item it then proceeds much like pc trading, scamming included as an a free bonus.

I never did get to actually buy anything as both times I tried the vendor cancelled the trade even though I gave what was asked. Which was somewhat annoying as I had spent quite a lot of time scrolling through about 60 odd pages in one instance searching for stuff. Time that would have been better spent just playing the game.

So that is me done with that nonsense and I will just continue on a ssf for rest of league. (yes I could technically start up again in ssf now but I don’t fancy losing my atlas progress this go round so will just carry on)

All I can say to pc players is be careful what you wish for because if you get the console in game trading Frankenstein you will be wishing for the third party sites with all the those lovely search options and clear interfaces.

Tldr trading sucks and I am ssf for life no matter what GGG may or may not do in the future.

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Ernost

trading is a wildly messy process that relies on third-party apps and forums posts to make deals between players (there is no central auction house to bind this scattered economy).

Warframe has the same problem.

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Axetwin .

Every single time I see a central auction house get brought up, it always…….ALWAYS ends up getting shouted down with cries of “FUCK DIABLO 3 NO AUCTION HOUSE!!!”. Demonstrating that players to this day still don’t understand why the auction houses in D3 failed, and I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t because of Blizzard’s supposed greed.

The Diablo 3 stigma is still so prevalent to this day, that players are unable to recognize good ideas, and will automatically defend bad ones if it means doing the complete opposite of what Blizzard did. Such as the developer’s vision of “difficult trading”. Trading is one of the most common ways for players to be social. If the developers didn’t want trading to be easy, then the game stash wouldn’t be compatible with poe.trade, a 3rd party website. GGG wouldn’t have been toying with an official version of that website. Vision changes based on time, and exposure. If you don’t want players trading with each other, then don’t make an online game, period.

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agemyth 😩

While you’re at it, remove the premium stash tab requirement for making trades visible to market searches. This is another basic feature of the game inhibited by microtransactions. Just make it a feature that is unlocked on accounts that have spent any money on the game.

Also make an auto-sort function, auto-deposit currencies (and similar stackable items), double the on-character inventory grid size, and turn my normal sized stash tabs into quad tabs. None of that should really be behind a pay wall either.

Lastly, stop designing new features to annoy players into buying quality-of-life upgrades. I’ll never get to the Conquerors of the Atlas content (or any of the old high-end map stuff) because mapping is such a PITA and I refuse to spend $15 for basic usability features.

…trading is currently as difficult (and the developers wanted it much more difficult) as it is on purpose. Item acquisition and content completion was never intended to be as quick as it is today. This has been said in developer talks. Stop asking for this to be faster.

🙄 They’ve failed to design and communicate in any way that their trading systems should be “hard” and have let the community do the work for them with third-party tools to meet players demands. Either remove poe.trade functionality (I’m sure the community would love that /s) or implement your own proper trading system already. You aren’t the spunky little indie underdogs anymore, so you don’t get a free pass on problems we’ve had solutions to for decades.

I’m not bitter, you’re bitter. 😣

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camren_rooke

GO SSF or GO HOME.

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Bryan Correll

I play SSF pretty much exclusively because of just what a stupid mess trading is.

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Tee Parsley

I don’t do SSF because I have a few friends to team up with. Outside of them though, no trading done. Not worth the hassle.