Final Fantasy XIV posts complete 5.3 patch notes as players discuss a potential GM banning overreach

    
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Final Fantasy XIV posts complete 5.3 patch notes as players discuss a potential GM banning overreach

If you’re a regular follower of how Final Fantasy XIV does its patch notes, then you likely know the drill by now: First it’s the preliminary patch notes, and then it’s the full notes, the latter of which have been shared online. This set of notes offers a bit more insight into a few of the upcoming changes that weren’t already covered before, including some adjustments to the Warrior and some major tweaks to the Astrologian.

In other FFXIV news, members of the MMORPG subreddit are pondering the decision to suspend a streamer’s account for vulgar comments made on Twitch. The related section of the game’s ToS regarding “generally offensive content of any kind” is a bit vague (with exception to racism, sexism, and homophobia), and even fans on FFXIV’s subreddit are crying foul.

One of the more reasoned replies on the /r/MMORPG thread comes from a Redditor who claims to have worked as a mod and customer service rep for several MMOs, explaining that the reasoning for the ban not being discussed in chat is usually due to a follow-up email that has further details, but the question of when GMs can apply bans to accounts and on what platforms they’re allowed to do so remains a discussion point. And considering FFXIV is down for 24-hour maintenance, there’s nothing but time for discussion. And “discussion.”

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Azriel_Pazzuzu
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Azriel_Pazzuzu

Hahahaha! That’s what happens! Tryhards in FFXIV make me lol.

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Rndomuser

Based on the video clips of Xenosys Vex that people posted in the thread you linked to, where he calls people “fucking retards”, “piece of fucking shit” and other words, I would say the ban was deserved. Should SE have linked to specific clip when talking to banned person about the ban? Maybe. Does it matter? Not to me. All that matters to me is a toxic person being gone from game, sadly only temporarily.

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Jeremy Barnes

SE has been very clear on ‘calling people out’ especially for things like DPS which you could not really know without the aid of 3rd party programs that (I believe) are against TOS.

Hell, I was in a rando level 50 alliance raid and there was someone freaking out because apparently people weren’t facerolling the content hard enough. It makes for an uncomfortable experience for everyone. It just ended up with them constantly complaining because a couple people died to mechanics that they probably didn’t know about. Then you had a couple others pipe in about ‘bads’ and then others among us about how they should calm down about ancient faceroll content because 2-3 people dying in a 24 man raid where everyone outgears the content heavily can’t even be noticed.

Take this experience and amplify it x100 for high end duties with PUGs even in “Learning Parties”. FFXIV has some serious toxicity as soon as things don’t go well.

SE needs a better strategy to deal with that problem. The devs need to do a better job of helping the average player with things like their rotation and learning mechanics while discouraging the vile level of freakouts that I’ve seen in PUGs on a macro level.

Fighting this one streamer at a time isn’t going to work.

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Armsman

I’ve been in Dungeon Roulette’s where someone will complain :Hey, we’re not killing fast enough…step it up…(the last two times it was a healer class and one of these Bozos also thought the tank wasn’t pulling fast enough so he was running ahead of said Tank aggroing stuff). Usually at that point, (at least in these last two instances), the other 3 of us voted to kick.

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FailingToComply

When this happens, as the healer, I simply don’t bother healing the dps who wants to go and pull mobs, especially if it’s a new, or nervous, tank. This ‘go-go-go’ mentality winds me up, and stressing out a new player is just a real turn off. Oh, Mr DPS, you want to tank, go ahead… and floor tank.

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Jeremy Barnes

I don’t get the whole go-go thing either as it tends save you a few minutes..at best.

The stress thing doesn’t go away by just kicking the player. The person who was targeted is already stressed. The next time they go to do something, they are stressed about getting someone else like that.

I’m generally prepared for fights and perform reasonably well as a healer, but I’m stressed that there’s gonna be that guy who loses his crap as soon as someone fails a mechanic.

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Dug From The Earth

Gonna wait a few weeks and see what the vets have to say about the new ARR main story quest changes, and if it really is a significant change at all.

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ihatevnecks

If they really did just ban him for “vulgarity” (note they didn’t say profanity, but vulgarity), then that’s definitely shitty. However, given we’re talking about Xenosys here, I’ve no doubt it involves vulgarity targeted at a specific individual in one of his groups, if not his stream. That’s his whole MO; he’s somehow gotten away with worse, though I don’t think this is his first suspension.

They could very well be neglecting to point out the specific clip because a person’s name was called out, and they don’t want his community going after that individual – after all, his viewers *already* did it to someone else who wasn’t involved in this incident.

Edit: I think the best comment on that thread was probably from the person pointing out that nobody knows which clip got him the ban, but people have brought up all kinds of clips that could be the one. Kind of says a lot about the guy in question.

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BigAngry

Middle paragraph in your comment is probably EXACTLY why they’re not saying which clip it was. Because Xeno would probably name and shame the person that reported him. Maybe not in public, but on his private discord or wherever, and word would get around.

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Jeremy Barnes

I’m not familiar with the guy, but it hasn’t taken long to wonder why SE wouldn’t just perma ban him so he could go be a blight on some other community.

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Vincent Clark

This! It took me all of five minutes courtesy of Google search to come to the conclusion his ban (even though temporary) was a long time coming.

So all this faux outrage over SE not being specific, as of yet, with the exact instance that got him banned (which means, in theory, he’s already received several warnings) is just comical.

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Tac-OpsBubba

(This is from a US point of view. Since the case at question is a US citizen, that is the law that will apply.)

Regardless of your opinion of the person, banning them on FFXIV because of something they said on Twitch is absolutely a jurisdictional overreach.

I know it’s technically in the ToS. It’s still standing for a lawsuit on account of both the verbiage being vague and the fact the incident at issue allegedly happened outside their platform. They have a right to control what people do with their game, but that goes no further.

They do have a legally unproblematic solution in this situation, however, and that is to file a complaint with Twitch to bar him from streaming FFXIV on copyright grounds. You have a right in the US to do that. Most judges will agree streaming is not fair use. It’s just not worth the time, and copyright can be claimed at will, meaning you aren’t forced to fight it.

Fun fact: Trademark has to be defended at all times. Trademark exists to protect consumers from fraud. Copyright exists to to make money. That’s why the law doesn’t care if you defend your copyright. It’s also why “big bad corporations” have to shut down fan projects on major trademarked franchises regardless of ethics. A news outlet reporting on something like that will have a C&D being drawn up almost immediately for sure. I don’t think it’s really reasonable to argue for SE losing their trademark on Final Fantasy.

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Adam Russell

LOL. There is no legal basis for a lawsuit. They dont have to let you play on their servers. Nothing in US law says they do, in fact the opposite. You can deny service to anyone for any reason except specific protected classes such as race religion and like that.

To claim that they are required to continue serving you is antithetical to US law and custom.

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Bruno Brito

t’s still standing for a lawsuit on account of both the verbiage being vague and the fact the incident at issue allegedly happened outside their platform. They have a right to control what people do with their game, but that goes no further.

@BadLegalTakes

Azriel_Pazzuzu
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Azriel_Pazzuzu

No.

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Jeremy Barnes

Wow, you have a gross misunderstanding of the law. Especially regarding trademark.