Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76 launched on Xbox Game Pass as ESO celebrates 18M total players

    
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Good news, friends! I have terrible news.

Yesterday’s Xbox and Bethsoft roundtable dropped a bit of information about the merger and the future of the games as well as the current state of one of the games at the heart of our modern MMO genre. Let’s do a recap!

  • For starters, a ton of Bethsoft games have launched on the Xbox Game Pass as of this week – and that includes The Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76.
  • ZeniMax’s Matt Firor chronicled the sloppy launch of Elder Scrolls Online way back in 2014 and how the team pushed through to the point that the game is now winning awards (including ours!) “We’re one of the most successful, virtual-world fantasy games, period,” he argued. “Over 18M users logging in from all over the world, 3M new residents of Tamriel just in 2020 alone.”
  • Xbox is gunning to host a summer games show, potentially separate from Bethsoft’s usual events. It’s aimed for June, which could stop on E3’s normal spot, if E3 were still a thing.
  • As for exclusives, it still sounds as if Microsoft is going that route, barring “contractual obligations” for games that already promised to do otherwise. “[I]f you’re an Xbox customer, the thing I want you to know is this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists, and that’s our goal,” Phil Spencer reiterated.

“We have games that exist on other platforms, and we’re going to support those games on the platforms they’re on. There are communities of players. We love those communities and will continue to invest in them. And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things, or legacy on different platforms, that we’ll go do.”

Source: Microsoft
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Java Jawa

I can’t seem to find anything related to this, but does this count a subscription? Do you get your monthly stipend of crowns? Does it open up DLC and the crafting ingredient inventory or do you still need to have a subscription for this to achieve the above?

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Wiseman0

This game deserves the praise it gets. It came back from almost being a complete failure to being one of the most played Mmorpgs. Cheers.

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Bruno Brito

By the way, i make here a formal challenge:

ESO’s builds have at most, 10 skills. Since i play onebar builds ( hand pain/hate the mechanic ), i have 5.

3-Kit Engineer in GW2 has THIRTY. All of them useful. I don’t know if you get good sinergy out of Holosmith, but if you go Holo, you get 35, because of the Photon Forge.

I challenge anyone to give me a more complex build in ESO, than 3-kit Engineer. ANYONE.

And as a plus, i also challenge anyone to give me an ESO build that animation-cancels for strategic reasons, and not only for more DPS.

Whoever proves me wrong, i’ll make them a drawing. With huge letters saying “you are better than me”.

Changemymind.

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Wiseman0

You curse people out, give insults, claim their opinion isn’t valid, because you disagree. Claim no view from yours is objective, and is incorrect, just because someone loves something you don’t…and when they don’t change their stance..You report them. No one has to change your mind. Toxicity has always existed. You have kept it alive. Now let me shut up, before you tell me God needs to have mercy on me again and that I’m a A****, and then run to the report button like my 6 year old little cousin, when I don’t back down and give him cookies…😂

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Pheeb Hello

Does ESO still have that really poor tutorial?

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Wiseman0

I believe so. The biggest flaw is that so many important things are hidden in the option tutorial menu that many don’t even know exists. There are supposed to be some changes in transparency in the next big update….7 years later.

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HalLundy

R dey takin da piss?

Fallout 76 has been on xbox game pass for at least 6-7 months, ever since i signed up for the bloody thing.

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Sarah Cushaway

My biggest issue with ESO is the combat. It’s pretty bad.

But that game is STILL more accessible and welcoming to casual players than modern WoW is. It’s -almost- like the devs take into consideration a huge chunk of their playerbase prefer small group or solo activities and make content for them as well as the raiders.

Anyone who defends Blizzard as “well they can’t do that because…” is just whiteknighting and making excuses for laziness on Blizzard’s part.

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Wiseman0

Combat is bad in comparison to what? BDO, for instance has some bland AI interaction. You just see the enemy and spam flashy combos on punching bags..That’s bad combat to me.. All flash and no tactics.

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Bruno Brito

In comparison to:

WoW, GW2, SWTOR, Warhammer RoR, Classic DAOC, Ragnarok Online, etc.

ESO has animation canceling, which is a bane for games in general. It also has no CD, which besides completely screwing server lag, also makes the game’s combat be exactly what you said: All flash, no substance.

ESO combat is pretty much: Rotate between your damaging effects to overlap your skills, keep buffs up, and spam your main AoE/ST direct attack.

Basically: Keep buffs up -> Dragon Breath, Venomous Claws, DW Bleed -> Flurryflurryflurryflurry until need to renew dots/buffs.

ESO has a LOT of good stuff. It’s combat it’s less than stellar.

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Wiseman0

Stellar indeed. You actually didn’t spam the same thing…Add actual movement due to tells, and now we’re talking… Let’s not even discuss the repetitive nature of tab targeting.

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Bruno Brito

Let’s not even discuss the repetitive nature of tab targeting.

?? Which ESO doesn’t solve and only adds to the problem? Yeah, tab targetting isn’t perfect, but at least you can make good priority-based rotations.

You actually didn’t spam the same thing

Three words for you:

Biting Fucking Jabs

The ENTIRE Aedric Spear line for Templars is based around skillspam, even because of the Burning Light passive where when you hit with Aedric Spear skills 4 times, you get bonus damage. It’s literally AA-Cancel-Skill-AA-Cancel-Skill. All you do in between is to redot-rebuff.

Stop debating reality. I’m not going to discuss facts with someone this delusional. I play ESO, i love ESO, but i’m not gonna pretend it’s the third coming of Christ. This benefits no one, and makes developers and companies grow complacent. Fuck this noise.

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Wiseman0

Get out your feelings. Kids are on here, do watch your language. Be an adult, or at least be mature if you aren’t one. So far as being repetitive…Mmorpgs like most games have a formula others will practice once they know it works for them… You can spam in fighting games as well, but know there is a difference between PvP encounters and PVE. And I’m sure many fight fans would disagree on cancelling being bad for all games… But there are choices, and ESO requires more interaction with the AI. You have to stay on your toes. That style of combat introduced by TERA may not be the second coming of christ, but it was for games. That’s why I said in comparison to what? It’s because the others require even less knowledge of the enemy you are facing. Many bosses are like puzzles you have to figure more than others IMO. I said BDO to me was all flash and no tactics overall, not all flash and no substance. And Some do require you to think, just not as much. Relax. LoL.I just disagree. You are the one debating reality. I said in comparison to what, and you mentioned other games with repetitive cycles as well. The debate was not if ESO was repetitive or not. Read again. I said it wasn’t as much of a spam fest in comparison. I included interaction and awareness, and you are still just talking rotations. People like what they like and don’t like what they don’t like. That’s life.

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Bruno Brito

Get out your feelings. Kids are on here, do watch your language. Be an adult, or at least be mature if you aren’t one.

Bite me with the holier-than-thou attitude, dipshit.

Mmorpgs like most games have a formula others will practice once they know it works for them… You can spam in fighting games as well, but know there is a difference between PvP encounters and PVE.

Irrelevant. I play Killer Instinct, and spam is counterable in FGs. Fireball-spam at the highest level is about timing to open defenses. In ESO, spamming your skills is literally how you play most of the game, rotating only for buff/debuff/dot. Again.

Speaking for solo, if you go Twohanded, you spam Brawler. If you go Dualwield, you spam Whirlwind, if AoE. If ST, you spam Dizzying Strike, or Flurry. It’s not a secret.

And I’m sure many fight fans would disagree on cancelling being bad for all games… But there are choices, and ESO requires more interaction with the AI. You have to stay on your toes.

There is a HUGE difference between Focus Cancel in Fighting games and frame data, and what happens in ESO, which is basically your light-attack animation getting eaten by your skills, which means your ENTIRE COMBAT SYSTEM is AA-Canceling for more DPS. Stop making this more complex than it is. And LOL stay on your toes. ESO is entirely soloable with one bar builds, only trials aren’t. And even trial builds aren’t that complex.

That style of combat introduced by TERA may not be the second coming of christ, but it was for games. That’s why I said in comparison to what?

According to whom? You? Who made you an authority on MMO combat? Tera was nothing more than a second-rate MMO and it languishes as one.

It’s because the others require even less knowledge of the enemy you are facing. Many bosses are like puzzles you have to figure more than others IMO.

Yes. And your opinions aren’t facts. So stop presenting them as such.

“Tera is the second coming of christ”, that’s rich.

I said BDO to me was all flash and no tactics overall, not all flash and no substance. And Some do require you to think, just not as much. Relax. LoL.I just disagree.

I’m pretty relaxed. I just like to type emphatically. Doesn’t mean anything. And again, opinions.

I said in comparison to what, and you mentioned other games with repetitive cycles as well. The debate was not if ESO was repetitive or not. Read again. I said it wasn’t as much of a spam fest in comparison. I included interaction and awareness, and you are still just talking rotations. People like what they like and don’t like what they don’t like. That’s life.

That has to be one of the most dogshit takes i’ve ever read in my life.

1- You liking ESO doesn’t mean it’s less spammy or repetitive. The game can give you never-ending orgasms that it will still not change the fact that it has 10 skills, and the meta is basically back-bar for buffing/debuffing, frontbar for two or three skills that are spammed and 2 others for emergencies, passive heals, dots. It’s as much spammy and repetitive than other MMOs, and i would argue some WoW classes have way better flow to them because of the priority system.

2- It’s AS MUCH as in comparison. Reading your comment, because of how vague you are in terms of talking about Tera and Fighting games, leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea of what you’re talking about.

3- Finishing an argument about repetitiveness and reality with “people like what they like” after you went on talking about how ESO is not spammy is literally the epithome of not being able to process a thought well.

Here’s my recommendation: Stop trying to be smart, and get some substance to your goddamn argument. Stop conflating subjectiveness with objectiveness, because ESO’s combat is OBJECTIVELY bad and repetitive. And no ammount of you denying that will change that fact of life.

And drop the attitude. You’re not my father. You’ve been dripping assholery and entitlement this entire thread and i took you for a spin and now you’re salty. I should be salty for being forced to read your non-sensical thought process. I’m ashamed of myself for answering it. Everyone here is dumber because of you.

May God have mercy upon your soul.

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Wiseman0

You wrote a bible, but God needs to help my soul? LoL. Reverse psychology won’t work here. Anyone can see the one cursing and the one upset isn’t me…Down to telling me God needs to help me..over a video game..lol..I’m aware that we are staying opinions of what we like , but lose the hyperbole…You claimed the others have priority based rotations? LoL. And you can’t spam without losing sustains in ESO. So you have to do something different in between…and I like how you said keep your buffs up as if it didn’t require actions..Pure comedy…You can quote and reply to every statement all you want, but I believe the others have enemies sitting as punching bags more..I don’t even think it’s an opinion overall..You’ll accomplish more in those games standing right in front of a boss than ESO….No need to be sensitive..That’s my stance..I understood yours right after you mentioned games that are extremely guilty of what I accused them of..Who said opinions were facts…People have to tell you their opinions are opinions for you to get that? I said I disagree. That should say it all.. You became upset and making statements like “F” this noise…That’s why I tried to calm you down. Guess it was pointless..Anywho my feelings are ‘t as involved as you..Not trying to antagonize.

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Bruno Brito

And you can’t spam without losing sustains in ESO.

Sorc’s Surge does exactly that: Allow you to keep spam without losing DPS, because it’s passive sustain, which is what ESO mostly has. All other “active sustain” is basically pressing one button amidst your rotation. So, congrats, you pressed Vigor in-between your Jabs spam. Here’s your prize.

As for the rest of your downright stupid argument, and ill-written at that, i’ll just ignore it and report it. You’ve done nothing in this entire thread besides arguing with bad faith, using subjectivity as a shield when it suits you, but jumping to conclusions as facts when you want to strenghten the dumpsterfire that is your argument.

Go back to reading my bible. Maybe you’ll learn something and stop…talking…like…this…

Imagine being so bad at games that you think ESO is complex. Dear god, dude.

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Darkedone02

my question of the worth over what I have on ESO on non-steam version vs ESO on gamepass…. does the gamepass have access to ALL DLC’s plus eso plus? what’s the benefit of subbing on top of a sub? If I have access to all dlc’s, eso plus, on xbox game pass… I can swap over, if not… then there is no point.

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Phubarrh

The magic for me is with streaming play on your phone via Game Pass Ultimate and a controller. I put some time into ESO this way a few months ago. It played quite well, but ironically my reason for trying it out (to pass the slow hours at my office job while COVID kept the workload miniscule) was trashed when the office closed completely for the duration. I’m much more excited now to hear that Morrowind and Oblivion have also come to the platform…once I’m commuting again, I may well resubscribe.

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Bruno Brito

“We’re one of the most successful, virtual-world fantasy games, period,” he argued. “Over 18M users logging in from all over the world, 3M new residents of Tamriel just in 2020 alone.”

*Breathes in*

MY SOLO GAME IS BETTER THAN YOUR RAIDING SIMULATOR

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

G I T G U D B L I Z Z E R D

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SmiteDoctor

Remember that whackjob that tried claiming ESO was a Dead Game a week ago in that Dead Games article?

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Bruno Brito

Yeah.

Because ESO betrayed the punk movement or some shit like that.

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Paragon Lost

Dude! ESO sold out! They went Commercial!!! 😜

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SmiteDoctor

How dare a publicly traded company go out of their way to make money!

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Paragon Lost

Hmmm…. I guess I need to do a bigger joke emoji?

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Bruno Brito

If your argument is that ESO is the Billy Idol of MMOs…i’ll take it, Billy Idol is fucking great.

~~shock to the system, it feels good, well all right~~

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Moon-and-Star

ESO is a waste of time, only some folks in their 40s and 50s play it, because they don’t have time for anything else and they like to pretend they’re playing an MMO.

I see you enjoy shilling for ESO and WoW, that’s pretty sad and pathetic.

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Bruno Brito

ESO is a waste of time, only some folks in their 40s and 50s play it, because they don’t have time for anything else and they like to pretend they’re playing an MMO.

wat

I see you enjoy shilling for ESO and WoW, that’s pretty sad and pathetic.

wat

Peeps, i think we got a winner for worst take of 2021.

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Sleepy

Reckon it’s more popular than WoW with those numbers?

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Ironwu

Yup. I should think so. Especially since it is growing and WoW is decreasing.

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jealouspirate

It’s hard to say. Those are units sold, not current players. A quick google showed that they reported 2.5 million active users in 2019.

So, it’s certainly possible they have more players than WoW, but it would be close.

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Bruno Brito

Blizzard only report xpac sales now, right? They don’t report sub numbers anymore.

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jealouspirate

Yeah, that’s right. We only have informed guesswork of WoW’s player numbers based on related metrics. Outside of box sales, there are 3rd party things that can track things like the number of max level characters that can help give a rough idea.

So we don’t really have current and accurate “active player” data on either game. They’re also hard to directly compare since they have very different business models. Anyone playing WoW is by definition a paying customer, while ESO players may or may not be spending any given month.

Anyway, either way it’s clear that both games are very large and very successful. I call it a win-win.

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Bruno Brito

True. Altho the fact that Shadowlands is already 25% off on some promos, just 2 months after launch should be of pause.

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Schmidt.Capela

We do have the exact numbers for the players that play ESO through Steam; while those aren’t even close to being all players, it’s a large enough subset of the player base that we should be able to identify tendencies from it.

And it seems like those tendencies are at least okay. The game seems to have been slowly gaining Steam players for the last couple years, and while this tendency has reverted somewhat in the last few months it’s still not a drastic loss, besides being data that is harder to interpret due to the influence of the pandemic.