Ashes of Creation sets its sights on crowdfunding stretch goals

After smashing expectations by completely funding its $750,000 Kickstarter campaign in the first 12 hours, Ashes of Creation wants to keep this crowdfunding momentum going for the next month. Enter stretch goals.

The first three stretch goals for the campaign have been posted, starting with tavern “games of chance” being included if a cool million is raised. At $1.25M, enhanced mounts with group functionality will be added, and even more naval content (additional ships and underwater environments) is possible if the $1.5M barrier is breached. Didn’t know the game had naval content? Neither did we — until now!

Intrepid Studios CEO Steven Sharif thanked fans for the support so far: “I cannot fully express our sincere gratitude for the overwhelming support that you have shown us. Today we funded over 750k for Ashes of Creation in less than 12 hours, making this project one of the fastest in history. I started Ashes of Creation out of a passion for the MMORPG genre, and a love for our community. That love has never been stronger than it is right now. I promise you that we will not stop, until Ashes becomes the new standard of gaming. With love from everyone at Intrepid Studios, thank you.”

Let’s start an office pool in the comments: How high do you think the Kickstarter campaign will go before all is said and done? I’m banking on $2 million.

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Necromonger

Europeans have a hard time to pledge money for the kickstarter as we do not own creditcards.

And it seems its imposible to pledge without a valid creditcard so they are losing out on a fcton of money wich is ashame as i want to buy a 125+ euro package but cant due to the limited payment options :(

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Makhiel

A debit card works as well.

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Brother Maynard

Europeans have a hard time to pledge money for the kickstarter as we do not own creditcards.

Err… what?

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Brother Maynard

Here you go, directly from the ECB:

Payments statistics for 2015
● The total number of non-cash payments in the EU increased by 8.5% to 112.1 billion in 2015 compared with the previous year.
● Card payments accounted for 47% of all transactions, while credit transfers accounted for 26% and direct debits for 21%.
● The number of cards issued (781 million) represented around 1.5 payment cards per EU inhabitant.
● Almost 51 billion transactions were processed by retail payment systems in the EU with an amount of €41.1 trillion.

Enjoy the whole read here: https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pdf/pis/pis2015.pdf

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Rhime

Sigh..guess we’ll be following this game now for the next three years…ugh.

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Leontes

I very much hope so. – That aside, who is forcing you to?

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Rhime

While you are correct, it’s almost impossible to not be force fed headlines and progress reports on new games on this site and many others. It’s just getting harder to give a shit about something that may take years to release.

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Solaris

Given that this 2 day old Kickstarter will break 1 million by Wed. AM, I’m going to guess they could hit 2.5 million if they run the Kickstarter well.

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Lethality

To all those who glommed onto the “ITS A PYRAMID SCHEME” before you even pulled your foot our of your mouth…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84EevAKfeqA

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Greaterdivinity

Straight outta the gate – referral link at the top of his description. Hahahaha.

Skimmed through a bit and he’s saying that because folks in the middle can hypothetically earn nothing from their referrals because their referrals are getting their costs covered by the referrals they themselves got, doesn’t change anything.

The goal is still to get everyone chasing referrals to fund their own subs, which is what folks are going to do. That means more folks subbing which benefits…wait for it…the top of the pyramid rather than those beneath, just like a pyramid scheme! Pyramid schemes are always designed to benefit those at the very top, and not the suckers beneath them, no matter what level they’re at.

That video disproves nothing in the slightest. But I do have some great investment opportunities for yourself and a bunch of other folks, apparently : 3

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Lethality

You still don’t understand it.

The higher up in the referral stack you are, the WORSE it gets for you. It’s the opposite of a pyramid.

By referring people directly, that’s how you stand to gain the most.

So please explain how someone at the “top” of the pyramid has an advantage over some new bottom feeder who has six friends he can refer immediately?

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Greaterdivinity

It’s “worse”? No, no it’s not. You think those folks who are no longer seeing referral rewards because their referees have their own are going to stop hunting down new referrals? That largely seemed to be the core belief of the video guys argument, and it’s something that’s blatantly false in the extreme.

These MLM/pyramid schemes are designed for folks to constantly be trying to refer more folks, not just hit their “quota” and stop.

The top of the pyramid is Sharif, dude. He’s absolutely reaping all the benefits as he’s the one who is ultimately getting paid because of this. You’re freely generating more revenue for him in the hunt to maybe cover your own costs, and if you can’t cover your own costs you’re still generating him revenue either way. He literally does not lose regardless of the situation of those in the higher up, in the middle, or at the bottom of the pyramid.

Edit: Again, this is assuming the allegations are true, which I don’t know about yet (haven’t looked into them). But it sure shines a light on and explains their comments about prioritizing aesthetics over performance – http://massivelyop.com/2017/02/09/ashes-of-creation-demos-new-dungeon-video-wont-sacrifice-aesthetics-for-performance/

Visuals help sell a game to new folks (the goal of a pyramid scheme), they don’t retain players like solid performance (which is not the goal of a pyramid scheme).

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Lethality

C’mon man, you’re not dumb. I’ve seen you post here, and you’re not making sense. I’m not sure how it’s not sinking in. It’s super-simple.

For every referral my referrals refer, I get LESS credit because they are paying less into the system. Therefore… 15% of less… is… less.

This is a referral system that every company on earth uses. I referred 8 of my friends to DirecTV. I get $80 credit per month ($10/each).

Yes the goal of an MLM is as you say – but this isn’t an MLM so the goals are different. It’s a flat system.

It’s ok to be wrong, the first step is admitting it.

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Greaterdivinity

…you realize you literally just pointed out the difference between a standard referral system a la DirectTV…and AoC’s referral system which is markedly different.

Yes, you get less credit (assuming we’re all understanding the referral system correctly) when your referees refer more. That’s by design. As a result, you now need to go out and refer more friends, who will in turn try to refer their own friends, requiring you to yet again refer more friends to reach the same level of referral revenue etc. etc. etc. etc.

Notice how there’s no end to it, and that you’re constantly needing to put in additional work without any additional benefit? Notice how that’s markedly different than your DirectTV example? Again, that’s by design, and a key component of how many MLM schemes are set up. The folks who make up the overwhelming majority of the scheme pay into it, rather than seeing any benefits. The benefits are really only seen by a small number of folks at the top.

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Lethality

Again, the top has no benefit. It has less. I guess we’ll just part on this one.

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Greaterdivinity

Again, the top is Sharif. He’s the ultimate beneficiary of this, just as the head of all MLM schemes are. They’re designed to seem appealing for normal folks, but ultimately they all funnel money from the participants as a whole to those that are running the show.

That is literally how these schemes are designed to work and that’s exactly what this system with AoC looks like when presented in the context of Sharif’s past history with MLM schemes.

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Utakata

To ask a *dumb pigtailed question…aren’t all Kickstarters pyramid schemes then?

*Note: In my ignorance on the matter, I just want to know why this KS game developer is any more or less shiftier than others. o.O

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Bree Royce

It doesn’t actually seem to be a pyramid scheme under the actual definition of pyramid scheme vs. what people think a pyramid scheme is. Not all MLMs are illegal / pyramid schemes either. This is basically an affiliate scheme, also not illegal. Icky, maybe, but harmless, as the worst thing that can happen is that you have no one left to recruit and you actually pay your own sub to the game (horrors, I know).

Most of the objection seems to be to 1) somebody is making money and 2) Sharif’s MLM background. We have asked him more about the second and will post when we have his reply.

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Utakata

Thank you for explaining that. :)

….and for us who are little unfamiliar with the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

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Tufao

Wait for release to pay for it. Developers don’t deserve to make money without delivering. Now that they are funded, wait for release and then, start the talking of improving the game.
The estimated delivery date is an obvious bait-and-switch on this campaign too.

As more these devs keep the approach to lie in their campaigns, less chances crowdfunding have of actually becoming something more.

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Stephen Donohue

Really hopeful for this one. I’ve always loved the idea of players settling the world and player driven caravans travelling from city to city. 2018 can’t come fast enough.

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Raimo Kangasniemi

My guess is they will get 2.75 million.

Many of the comments here… MMO genre doesn’t need enemies with friends like us.

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Norlamin

Honestly, I like their stretch goals so far. They’re not crazy, brand new systems, just a continuation and bonuse added to already pre-existing systems.

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Solaris

That naval stretch goal is really the only one I care about. Looking like they will break $1m my tomorrow am. So odds are good Naval in is.

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Utakata

Ah yes….S t r e t c h g o a l s, FEATURE CREEP, soft launch

…words that are complimentary where the terms of “Kickstarter” and MMO’s are concerned. They could almost make good bookends. O.o

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MesaSage

I think they’ll set a new record, raising $1 Billion.

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