Here’s why the Guild Wars 2 community is grumpy over build templates

    
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If you’ve dropped by the Guild Wars 2 subreddit lately, you’ll notice that pretty much everyone is talking about the build and equipment templates that are launching later this month. As we covered yesterday, the idea is that characters will be able to set and swap between multiple build templates and equipment templates when out of combat. The plan is to give everyone three templates by default, with more being buyable in the cash shop. Folks will be able to share build templates too a la classic Guild Wars. As for equipment templates, ArenaNet is granting two for free, with more in the cash shop, plus there’s an “armory” that’ll store excess gear, independent of normal storage.

The uproar began, however, following the studio’s recent livestream, during which it became clear that hardcore players, many of whom have spent a lot of money on extra inventory and bank space to store their gear for multiple specs already, will be expected to pay quite a bit more to integrate all their existing builds to the new system. (Yes, some folks have more than a handful of builds.) Players are likewise concerned that the cap on total templates will be too low (six per type per toon). And there’s also frustration over what some elite gamers see as the invalidation of legendary gear.

In other words, a lot of folks really just wanted something similar to Guild Wars’ system, but the proposed templates seem a bit convoluted, not to mention monetized. One heavily upvoted thread estimates that a semi-hardcore player who plays three classes in two game modes will need to invest around $60 into the new system, though of course that assumes 400 gems per template (that’s not been confirmed).

Salt in the wound is that GW2 players have been happily utilizing the unofficial plugin ArcDPS to manage their builds, but apparently the developer of that plugin agreed to stop developing that part of the app once the monetized version is in the game, meaning that while it’ll be possible for folks to just keep on playing the way they already are for a little while, eventually the third-party template system will break and be unusable and unfixable by the dev.

“[I]’m sorry for the developers that put a great effort into finally making this happen, only for it to turn into such an accumulation of negativity,” wrote one player. “I can’t help but think that if we had a more open discussion about this prior development, a lot more people could be looking forward to this today. But we didn’t, because that’s not how Anet operates, and that, frankly, is a shame. Both sides could have benefited from this a lot.”

Source: Reddit, Stream. With thanks to Anon!

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Zola_Rose

The GW2 community is getting really tiresome for me. I get it, if you play video games all day and the bulk of your life is invested into them, I understand how the content they do, or don’t, deliver is worth having a meltdown over. But, honestly, being so far removed from that lifestyle now, it’s exhausting when you just want to enjoy a game and you have to deal with the constant rants, complaints, and general whinging of players. It’s unavoidable.

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Drago

End of the day it’s an NCsoft game and this is what they do. Game stop making money so they start adding things to cash shops, It will only get worse I’ve seen this happen in their games before.. Wait and see.

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Anton Mochalin

community is grumpy

No, that’s not “community” but rather “vocal minority” in the very negative sense.

The people who would really need more than that free amount of tabs are very (extremely) likely to have enough gold to convert to gems and buy the needed tabs from the gem store. Or at least they know very well how to make that gold fast ingame. And if they really don’t want to spend that time basically playing the game as they did and refining and selling some mats they get from loot well they can buy gems for real cash.

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Bruno Brito

Of course you’re defending this. Why did i expect otherwise.

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jaif13

Attacking the person and not the message? That’s weak.

I think he has a valid point. The original reddit post in the linked article was a person with a mesmer with 8 builds, and a guardian with 6 builds. That’s an enormous time/gold investment he has already made with equipment. People like that poster have the knowledge and wherewithal to grind gold for tabs, and in the meantime there’s nothing stopping that poster from doing things the old-fashioned, drag-n-drop way for a time while he slowly builds out his tabs.

-Jeff

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Dystopiq

Only the naive thought they weren’t going to monetize build templates.

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Randy Savage

ANet won’t stop until they’ve fully pissed on every aspect of GW1. They’re the R Kelly of MMO developers

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Jim Bergevin Jr

It’s really a shame to compare Anet of 12 to 15 years ago to the Anet of today. It’s one of the reasons I would rather them not touch GW1 with a 10 foot pole.

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Dragon Whimsy

On the monetization side of this issue I think it’s time ANet offer an optional subscription that eliminates these issues for hard core players. Buy these quality of life things separately as you want or just pay a lump sum every month and get them all (build/equipment templates, shared inventory space, increase crafting mats space, bag slots, banks tabs, VIP hub access, monthly gem stipend, ect).

Monetiatizing this feature is not at all outrageous though. Most non-sub MMO’s that have this feature give you two builds for free and then charge for extras. I was actually pleased to get three for free, plus 6 free account saves on top of that. There’s nothing unreasonable about that. It took them two years of development work to implement this feature, why would they not monetize it? Back when people were begging for this feature (anytime before this last April) people were asking to be allowed to pay for this feature just so as long as we got this feature.

I’m not sure what can be done about the hard cap on the amount of templates. But if you really do have 15 builds for a single character… maybe have two characters of the same profession and put the extra 3 builds in your account storage. And that doesn’t even take into account that you can copy and paste your builds with a link.

While the hardcore players do have somewhat of a legit complaint, I also think this is being blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion.

I’m starting to see why it took ANet 7 years to implement this feature.

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mhm… mmmmhm. Just wow. Super scummy move. Guess Anet gets to keep Bioware company in my dev doghouse.

I’ve barely been able to scrape together the motivation to log in to qualify for the “free” LW chapters. That’s pretty much evaporated.

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Bruno Brito

They’re monetizing the build templates.

They’re. Monetizing. The. Build. Templates.

Jesus christ.

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Mordyjuice

Personally I think half GW2’s problem is their community, I mean the ones that go mining for outrage on Reddit and the forums, maybe ANet should offer up a 800 number hotline for GW2 players in crisis so they can get the help they need to deal with their weekly tragedies.

I’m a recovering Edge Lord and I support my message (that sounded weird, I’m sick and woke up with blood in my sputum from coughing in my sleep, I’m going to be a grumpy troll asshole this week end I’m apologizing ahead of time).

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Bruno Brito

maybe ANet should offer up a 800 number hotline for GW2 players in crisis so they can get the help they need to deal with their weekly tragedies.

It’ll be clogged by the whiteknights needing new motives to preach, giving that Anet really dropped the ball hard on this one.

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Mordyjuice

Like I said I just feel like shit and want to yell at clouds like Grandpa Simpson.

Maybe I should get involved for some easy upvote farming on Reddit, just for lols; I’ll keep my pretend outrage trolling off this site though.

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Bruno Brito

Go ahead.

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McGuffn

Exactly. They whine over everything. All the time.

What I didn’t consider until reading this and going to the reddit is that this is going to incentivize Anet to design more bullshit encounters. Raiding where people have to change gear between fights is just stupid. Now that it’s going to be easier to change gear they can do it even more or with more aggressive changes required.

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Anton Mochalin

I don’t think ANet will do it or at least focus much on such things. They know their playerbase well enough to understand the majority isn’t interested in raids at all. And doesn’t care much about builds.

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styopa

Monetization of it seems pretty flippin’ greedy.