Elite Dangerous’ Odyssey expansion won’t include base building or VR compatibility at launch

    
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Earlier this week, Frontier summoned cheers with the announcement that next year’s Elite Dangerous expansion is called Odyssey and will indeed include content that moves players out of their ship and into ground content – i.e., space legs. But don’t get too excited because as it turns out, the new content is coming with some caveats when it comes to VR.

“Currently, Elite Dangerous: Odyssey will not be VR-compatible at launch. We’re big fans of VR and we are truly proud of the amazing experience that we currently offer in Elite Dangerous,” the studio wrote yesterday afternoon. “However, the new gameplay, mechanics and features that will be introduced with Elite Dangerous: Odyssey means that we had to re-examine if we could deliver that same experience without compromise, which, for launch, means Odyssey will not be VR-compatible.”

Frontier’s also announced that the rumored base building content won’t be in the expansion and in fact isn’t even on the roadmap, saying, “[W]e have plenty of new features planned instead such as on-foot exploration, new planetary tech, social hubs, combat as well as more to be shared later on.”

Reddit is pretty bummed about the VR, though it’s not entirely clear how many players overall are actually affected. There is a smidge of good news for long-time fans, though, as the expansion is indeed “included in the Lifetime Expansion Pass for free.”

Source: Official forums. Thanks CapnLan and Stuart!
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Dependent_Knee
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Bree, you missed the bigger story. NO SPACE LEGS. Frontier confirmed on the forum no walking inside ships, plus the Odyssey announcement has no mention of walking in space stations, EVA etc. or anything else except “feet-on-the-ground”.

Another expected feature completely absent from the announcement is landing on atmospheric planets.

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Your Honor

Could you source that? Because it would be all over reddit and their own forums and YouTubers would be all over it yet no one in the community is saying anything about this.

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On the official forum an Fdev employee said no walking in ships. Yes people are talking about it, on the forum and on steam.

And why would anyone think Odyssey does have it? if this top requested feature was in Odyssey, Frontier would have said so in the announcement.

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Your Honor

I can’t find it anywhere. I can’t find anyone talking about it on steam or credit or their own forums.

They didn’t say it’s not a thing you are just making this up out of some weird hatred for the game. You are literally shitting on the game before we know anything at all about it. They showed a one-minute announcement trailer. Not a feature trailer.

Very strange behavior.

Can you link me where the dev said this, please?

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Dependent_Knee

Search the forum for “can we walk inside our ships question”.

And obviously the feature list isn’t in the one-minute trailer. It is in the long press release. And it has no walking in ships or any other space legs.

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Which forum?

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Dependent_Knee

Official forum.

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Your Honor

Nop, nothing. The last thing on this is that they are “avoiding” the question.

can you copy-paste what the dev said? Or link the sub. I don’t see anyone talking about this anywhere so I am almost certain you are making this up.

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It wasn’t a dev, was a community manager who was asked about walking in ships in Odyssey and replied not for the foreseeable future. The mods deleted the thread along with all the Odyssey threads when Fdev decided to stamp on the leak. The “can we walk inside our ships question” thread that is still up has multiple confirmations from others who read the post.

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Nop. You are making this up. If it was said this would be all over forums because it would be disappointing. I am on the sub you are talking about now and no one is saying anything.

Very strange behavior.

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Dependent_Knee

Start reading the thread from They already confirmed in-ship walking isn’t coming at all. Not later, just not at all. They were very clear in their wording of “not for the foreseeable future.”

And anyway, why do you find it hard to believe Fdev confirmed no walking in ships? What made you think Odyssey DID include walking in ships, knowing that feature isn’t in the trailer and isn’t in the announced feature list?

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Your Honor

There is a lot of features that are not in the one-minute announcement trailer my dude. Shooting is not in the trailer. Stealth is not in the trailer. Diplomacy is not in the trailer. Social hubs are not in the trailer. Loads of other stuff they have already confirmed arent in that one minute trailer.

They didn’t confirm anything yet, if they did this would be all over Reddit and their own forums just like the VR stuff was/is.

Stop lying.

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All that other non-trailer stuff is on the announcement feature list. Walking in ships isn’t.

So I’m still wondering where you get the idea walking in ships is in Odyssey. Because right now it looks like you completely fantasised it.

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I am not saying it is in the game. I am saying they never said it isn’t.

It’s not all the stuff. It even says at the bottom “more things”. They could have just as easily not mentioned something like that because they thought it would have been obvious that it is.

I’m wondering why you’re spreading misinformation on expansion we know almost nothing about after 1-minute trailer.

Edit: The sky was blue implying atmosphere yet that’s not on the feature list you said had “everything” on it.

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We know lots more than the one-minute trailer. We know the feature list that Frontier has put out.

> They could have just as easily not mentioned something like that because they thought it would have been obvious that it is.

Ha ha ha.

I’ll leave you with this from reddit.

https://old.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/gwp7qq/ship_interiors/fsyyb8e/

After what Frontier said, and what they didn’t say, I have to assume the worst. If they had ship interiors, they’d show it. It’s highly unlikely they don’t have at least one interior modeled enough for a showreel, if they plan to have interiors at launch in a year or less.

The only thing making me unsure is how stupendously, catastrophically stupid that would be. For the exact reason you say: Elite players bought a spaceflight sim. Most are not in the FPS market. They are basically the polar opposite of the FPS market. Of the small subset of Elite players who are also FPS gamers (including myself), how many will buy a loosely hanging FPS appendage to Elite, instead of a AAA shooter from one of the many studios that make excellent ones?

Legs without interiors will be the worst disaster in the studio’s history. No one will buy it. No one will play. The mistake will be so expensive, it might even put them in financial trouble. They couldn’t possibly be that stupid. No one is that stupid.

But then I think… CQC… Powerplay… the BGS…

Oh god. Braben is that stupid. In fact, if anyone in the industry can screw this up, it’s him.

Elite players want ship interiors. They have been begging for them for, literally, years. They almost don’t care if they get anything else besides the interiors. They want it so bad you could sell them purely cosmetic interiors at extra cost, ship by ship, and probably make 8 figures.

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Your Honor

So you’re leaving me with speculation? The exact thing I accused you of? Thanks for proving my point.

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PhoenixDfire

You’re wasting your time there. I suspect this is an individual who crows whenever there is bad new with Elite.

However, we’ve seen external shots, they haven’t specifically said you can walk around ships, which if was in, they’d be making a big song and dance about it. It’s a bit disappointing because a lot of people were wanting that linked with ‘Boarding Actions’ and repairing the ship or even EVAs. However, to be honest, putting in Space Legs(or preferably Elite Feet) probably would have taken the ‘Big’ Team two and a half years to put in. That’s why there’s no VR for the Odyssey parts of the game. Heck, it took NMS four years to put that in and it already had Space Legs.

I’m also disappointed by base building but they never said anything about that, that was mentioned in an unsanctioned leak about 18 months ago, so they’ve never said it would be in. That’s the problem about leaks, specs change over time and what they might want to put in can’t be done in the time period. Mind you, it’s still possible we could have player bases, similar to static fleet carriers.

On the other hand, there are atmospherics included, which we didn’t expect, and the new graphics upgrade looks awesome (that’s where the ice planet generation tech went), so although it’s not everything I was hoping for, I’m still looking forward to it.

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Your Honor

I don’t know man. I think it would be very silly for them not to say anything about the interiors if they aren’t in.

I mean they would only have two options.

1. Just say there aren’t any interiors. People will be disappointed for sure but just rip the bandage and be done with it.

2. Let people speculate, let the theory crafting get out of control, and then 2 months later say there are no interiors. I mean that’s just asking for even more backlash.

We will see soon enough I suspect.

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PhoenixDfire

I don’t like discussing Data mining because all developers leave unused feature code in their games. However, in this case some folks managed to datamine the latest beta and discovered references to internal ship rooms and turbo lifts, all of which could point to work in progress for walking around ships.

Personally, I think they’re keeping something back for a big reveal but we’ll have to wait and see.

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> to be honest, putting in Space Legs(or preferably Elite Feet) probably would have taken the ‘Big’ Team two and a half years to put in.

So it should have been out last year, seeing they started work four years ago, according to David Braben in his latest reddit interview.

Here is space legs as he described it.

“You will be able to walk around the spaceport, you will be able to see gold being loaded into someone else’s ship, you will be able to sneak in and hide in amongst the cargo. All of those things are phenomenal game play opportunities where that ship might actually be the ship of another player, so just think where that all ends.”

how many of those things are in Odyssey? None.

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Your Honor

You’re lying again.

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Your Honor

That’s from 2012… That could have easily been an original plan that had to change like things have to change in video game development. Yet you quoted that saying “latest” Reddit interview implying it’s recent.

Notice how he says “will” not “can”. You may still be able to do that in the future, you don’t know what they will do. You don’t know if there are no station interiors. Nobody does. But spreading misinformation just the same.

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Yup, plans change and that’s why the walking and boarding in ships that people paid Frontier for six years ago are still nowheer to be seen. Now you get it. You go right ahead and hold your breath for another six years hoping Frontier will change their plans back again.

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Your Honor

He always maintained it will not be in the initial release. If you followed the development back then you would know this. Keep lying.

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Dependent_Knee

Initial release has nothing to do with it. Walking and boarding in ships was paid for in the lifetime expansion pass that came after. Six years ago.

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Your Honor

What’s your point? Those people are getting every expansion pack. They will be getting this expansion pack they don’t need to buy it. You can’t even maintain your point anymore you’re so far down your own rabbit hole of lies.

People paid 100s, 1000s for spaceships in SC that are still not in the game.

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My point? Simply that people who way back paid for the ED space legs expansion STILL haven’t got it SIX YEARS LATER. Despite Braben saying the team has spent years working flat out on this the first paid expansion for FOUR YEARS, the details he just released shows space legs have been COMPLETELY CUT OUT. Not hard for you to understand surely?

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Nobody paid for space legs ever. They paid for a lifetime of expansions which included space legs sometime in the future. Whoever wanted space legs are getting them now.

Braben never said they were working on them at any given time. He always maintained they are planned.

On April 11, 2017 during the The Commanders Release Livestream (at 10:10), Braben confirmed that space legs is coming and is planned, but it’s not imminent. A person in the chat asked “Will we get space legs at some point? If yes don’t say when, but answer with long, medium or short.” Braben said: “It’s coming, but obviously it’s not imminent, but it is coming and it is planned.”[13]

On August 31, 2018 Zac Antonaci posted an important community update with relevant information: “A while ago, our development went from pre-production into full production on our next major milestone of Elite development.

So when it releases they would have worked on it for about three years.

You are factually incorrect with everything you say every time.

Anyways, I am done here. It is clear you are just a hater with some clear issues. Telling Bree to report on some lies you made up.

https://elitedevtracker.com/

Here is the tracker with everything Fdev has ever said.

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Dependent_Knee

“Whoever wanted space legs are getting them now.”

You really need to pay more attention. Nobody is getting space legs now. Odyssey has no space legs. The only legs is has are on the ground of a bolt-on first-person shooter.

“Braben never said they were working on them at any given time. ”

So you shouldn’t be surprised that they’re missing from this latest expansion, right?

“Telling Bree to report on some lies you made up.”

What pointed out to Bree was this latest expansion has no space legs. Anyone can verify that by looking at the Frontier trailer and press release.

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You’re wasting your time here dealing with this person. It has first person perspective and confirmed to have walking around new planets. So far that qualifies as ‘Space Legs’ to me, just like NMS has.

So far, All we’ve had is just a single teaser trailer for the New Era and a couple of statements. They’ve done the right thing by managing expectations about VR, which i’m disappointed by but I can understand why its not in.

As far as no Base building, there has never been a statement from FDev saying it was in the plan or the road map. Base Building came from a leak, which I know frontier were not happy about. Always take leaks with a pinch of salt.

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Bree, “space legs” has always meant legs in space. The stuff David Braben pitched in the Elite Dangerous Development Plan – walking inside your ship, sneaking into other players ships, watching cargo being loaded into ships, walking round space stations etc.

No-one uses “space legs” to mean walking around on the ground. The are hundreds of first-person shooter games that have walking around on the ground of other planets like this new ED expansion and no-one calls that “space legs”.

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“So far, All we’ve had is just a single teaser trailer for the New Era and a couple of statements.”

Wrong. We’ve got a detailed press release and full product description on the Steam store page. Both are lacking a ton of major expected features, and anyone who thinks that is because Frontier just forgot to include them is simply deluded. Frontier has been challenged on these on the forum and every response they’ve given is “no, they’re not in”.

“As far as no Base building, there has never been a statement from FDev saying it was in the plan or the road map.”

Wrong again. The statement from Frontier is here “Frontier Roadmap Leak Confirmed“. And it’s blinding obvious why Frontier wasn’t happy with that, now that we see that they cut so many planned features.

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There has been nothing released by Frontier about Base building. That all came from the leak and you know it, that’s just a speculative reddit link.

The Steam link is exactly the same as the ‘Couple of Statements’ I was referring too on the forums.

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Dependent_Knee

The leaked Frontier roadmap for Odyssey explicitly states basebuilding. It’s not reddit speculation. It’s a report of a Frontier roadmap covering various projects that has been strongly corroborated by Frontier’s subsequent product announcements such as Planet Zoo and Planet Coaster Console.

The Steam product description for Odyssey
is not “a couple of statements”. It’s the most detailed store description that any ED expansion has received. It’s lacking VR (now officially confirmed absent from the product), basebuilding (again officially confirmed absent from the product) and space legs (in space). On space legs Frontier’s being badgered on their forum every day to answer. That’s going to continue until they come clean with confirmation on whether it is present or absent.

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Again, a document which leaked Confidential information, early in the development process cannot be taken as what were were going to get. Circumstances can change during the development process meaning the drop of feature as well as new ones Base Building was never mentioned by Frontier, until Heck, Atmospherics wasn’t mentioned in the leak but it looks like we’re getting a version of that.

The Steam description is exactly the same wording which was released on the forum which are the couple of statements I was referring to.

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“Base Building was never mentioned by Frontier”

Wrong again. Basebuilding is explicitly stated in the Frontier roadmap.

“Atmospherics wasn’t mentioned in the leak but it looks like we’re getting a version of that”

Wrong again. There’s no mention of atmospherics in the Odyssey product description, the press release or anything else they’ve said about the expansion’s content.

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This might be the link:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/frontier-avoided-answering-the-can-we-walk-inside-our-ships-question.546556/page-2#post-8498727

There’s someone. Mogen Teras, on Friday around 7 am, who posted that an Fdev employee posted there would be no in-ship walking but that Fdev deleted that thread.

“There was already a since-removed thread where an FDev employee confirmed in-ship walking is not in this update, nor will it be added later. THe fact FDev deleted it instead of addressing it says it all.”

The comment is page 2 of 19 pages of comments. What the veracity of the comments are, I have zero idea. I was today years old when I first view Elite Dangerous official forum.

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Wait, is this true? No ship interiors? If so, this went from disappointing to laughable for me.

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What do you expect from a Dev team that said they no longer have the time to add a few paragraphs each patch to expand on/continue their own in game lore?

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Your Honor

More than CiG who can’t seem to make a 40 man battlefield rip off the run with decent FPS on Cryengine/Lumberyard which was made for FPS games.

Have you seen the ToW state? I can’t believe they allowed people to test that.

You must feel very insecure :D

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Oddest about that was announcing a “slight decrease” of in-game news to allow more content for Interstellar Initiatives… and then turning off all the in-game news and all the Interstellar Initiatives. ED’s live service is now completely dark.

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Even when announcing something as big as Odyssey, FDev can’t help but disappoint.

VR, I’m convinced, has been the one thing really keeping this game alive. While I haven’t had the luxury of experiencing it myself, there’s countless comments and threads discussing how much of an improvement VR makes to the experience.

Likewise, I’m convinced base-building was in the cards, but the leak probably had hand in changing their plans; thus far, the FDev leak from a year ago has been 100% accurate.

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Announcements from Frontier have Odyssey cannibalising staff from the ED proper just after Frontier assured us there was no staff shortage, then delayed to next year, meaning it must have has hit serious development problems recently.
So cutting features like base building makes sense to try stop further slippage.

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not having VR at launch is very odd (read:sucks). This is probably the best VR experience of any VR-optional game.

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Bummed about base building. Will likely hold off til that is added.

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That’s too bad. I bought the game for VR and only play in VR. Guess I’ll wait until they patch it in…