Final Fantasy XIV updates its prohibited activities and disallows selling runs via the Party Finder

    
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The Final Fantasy XIV team has an expansion on the way, but the team is also working at making sure the game offers the best environment possible for its players leading up to that expansion. That’s the stated justification for the latest update to prohibited activities that can land players in hot water. Most notable among these changes is a new rule that prohibits players from advertising runs to clear content in exchange for currency, ostensibly to prevent RMT activity within the game.

Readers will remember that this sort of activity has been in the news recently, with Blizzard studio co-leader Mike Ybarra publicly advertising selling runs and igniting controversy among World of Warcraft’s playerbase over the behavior.

While the rules do not prevent a player from advertising the intent to buy a run, advertising a run being sold is now disallowed via the party finder; using other methods of advertisement is still accepted, however. More specific details of prohibited actions are now also listed to provide players with concrete examples of what is and is not worthy of punishment, and there’s a clearer set of details on what happens when rules are violated either once or repeatedly. Check out the full update to get all of the details on what is and is not allowed.

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Richard de Leon III

Thank the gods, I hope banning selling runs spreads to all mmos.

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Dagget Burmese

The effect of that new TOS showed up immediately on my server, just a couple of outfits advertising carries and even then only referencing a discord, where yesterday the 1st page was nothing but advertising for that stuff.

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Mark

Nice, this might save me space in the ignore list, and time each login spent finding the run sellers and ignoring them :)

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Gruff

I haven’t played in 3 years but the erp servers were notorious and always too full to roll new characters on.

Is prostitution actually a widespread issue or someone accidentally stumbled across the erp community?

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John Artemus

Super weird to me that when I used to play WoW, Goldshire was the ERP capital of MMOs, and nobody outside the game ever used to complain about it.

Then I switched to FFXIV about three years ago, and every time I see criticism of the game it’s about some of the ERP in Limsa, which I’ve gotta say doesn’t seem nearly as bad as it was in Goldshire.

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Rndomuser

Is prostitution actually a widespread issue

I have been playing for slightly more than 3 years, both on Balmung and other servers (Behemoth and Faerie). It’s never been an issue to normal people. I don’t even remember seeing any offers on any places like Party Finder for any sexual favors in exchange for gil. I only remember seeing joke conversations in general chat such as “will give 250k gil for sitting on my face” and things like that.

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Rndomuser

LOL. LOLOLOLOL. Most people who were advertising in Party Finder didn’t mention “selling”, they just mentioned their Discord names and the names of specific dungeons/raids, which is not against any ToS, old or new. And only through Discord they would mention how much it costs to run you through any content. So absolutely nothing will change in this regard after these ToS changes. Not in this game and not in any other MMORPG. People will continue to get around the bad game design (not allowing an option to complete every instanced content solo) by selling and buying group runs.

It’s just like with Gil – technically it is illegal to sell and buy Gil. But last time I was too lazy to grind Gil to buy specific stuff on Marketboard – I simply went to certain website which sells it and in less than 30 minutes I purchased enough Gil and my account never received any bans for that.

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Jeremy Barnes

I guess, at least you admit it.

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Bereman99

I’m flabbergasted that you both somehow turned this into both advocating for the silly idea that it’s bad game design not to allow all instances to be soloable in an MMO and the admittance that you’ve participated in the harmful (both in-game and out) practice of RMT.

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Rndomuser

it’s bad game design not to allow all instances to be soloable in an MMO

It is. Not giving an option to complete all instanced content (every dungeon/trial/raid) solo in any multiplayer game, including MMORPG, is a bad game design because it alienates people who may prefer to finish specific content solo, for many reasons, ESPECIALLY people who have limited amount of time per day to spend on playing the games and can’t afford gambling this free time on unreliable random group of people who have no incentive (especially people who have plenty of free time) to try their hardest to perform well in some raid and not fail it multiple times. Anyone who will argue this is not a bad game design (to not provide such option for people who may prefer that) is an irrational, selfish person who is not worth conversing with.

in the harmful (both in-game and out) practice of RMT

There is no harm in what I did (purchased in-game currency for real life currency because I did not find grinding for in-game currency enjoyable). That’s a fact, not an opinion. The only “harm” is developers missing an opportunity to earn extra money through providing similar service, but that’s their own fault. CCP, the developers of EVE Online, understood that long time ago and implemented PLEX trading, where I could buy PLEX from CCP for real life currency and sell it to players for in-game currency, completely legitimately, without breaking any ToS. Which every other smart game developer should do, instead of allowing inevitable trading of in-game currency on third-party websites.

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Danny Smith

“but then how can they run a transparent cash shop token to gold rmt scam?” – visibly confused Blizzard Developer, colourised 2021.

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RangerCoder

I just started FFXIV after years in WoW and I got to say it’s so much better in every single way even the community.

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Arktouros

Oh no.

Anyways, here’s this Discord you can join so it’s entirely out of game and virtually unenforceable without a human level of effort that 99% of companies won’t put forth.

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kothoses

There is a thing called burden of proof, you cant just go suspending some one on the basis some one else claimed they said something on a channel entirely outside of your control.

Proof, how can you prove the link between a discord account and a game one? Short of entrapment?

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Toy Clown

As long as it unclogs the channels players use to find groups, I don’t care what underground platform they move to. Nothing worse than looking for a group for specific content only to see listings of players selling runs.

It’s the same principle with people who were using the same group finder to sell ERP for money. It also became bannable and the majority of those people moved to discord channels, which cleaned up the LFG channel of that type of “service”.

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Danny Smith

Truly terrible. Now we might see something in trade chat other than boost selling.

just look at the cost.

Poor, poor discord boosties.

To shreds you say?

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Vanquesse V

The idea is not to get fully rid of it, but to make sure RMT doesn’t become a nuisance for the typical player.

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Bereman99

An attempt at mitigating its impact is better than nothing at all (or worse, profiting from it).

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Daniel Whitmer

“Examples of violations:
– Selling [duty] clear for 1 million gil.
– Selling [duty] clear and/or offering the associated rewards from [content]. Join for more info/details.”

“The main purpose of the Party Finder is to recruit members to participate in content. Any recruitment listing that does not match its intended category is prohibited.

The “Other” category is intended for recruiting players to participate in content that is not listed in the listed categories. However, as an exception, the “Other” category may be used for the sake of recruiting members to form a community, or conduct exchanges between players. ”

So they seem to have thought of the discord link requests in Party finder, and also attaching said ad to any of the Duties, or duty roulettes that show up at top of the list like they currently do is also punishible on it’s own.

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Raidervc

So while WoW leadership is an active participant in this RMT-fueled activity that has really just infected group finder in WoW, FFXIV is…rejecting it?

I can definitely see why FFXIV is the gold standard MMO these days.