Destiny 2’s proposed transmog system is out to punish you for looking fine

    
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Destined even further.

Close your eyes and imagine a cosmetic transmog system for a looter shooter like Destiny 2. Not too complicated, right? Now open your eyes and behold the convoluted and grindy system that Bungie is proposing.

In a perfect example of a studio over-complicating what should be an engaging and streamlined, Bungie has come up with a transmog routine that involves four levels of grind just to use the armor design that you already acquired. It’s so bad, in fact, that this system is drawing near-universal criticism from all quarters, with media outlets calling it a “parody,” “confusing,” the “worst of all possible systems,” and “a grind-in-the-ass.”

Particular ire is being given to the transmog system’s apparent push to get players to spend money to avoid all of these steps. Oh, and you can only transmog a limited number of items per season. Maybe it’s time to go back to the drawing board on this one?

Source: Destiny 2
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Turing fail

And I thought Warframe could be a grindathon…

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Mango Rage

I feel like I’m the only one that doesn’t think it’s that bad. Could it be better? Yea. Everything could be but they’re an independent company now. Running a semi F2P game. Of course there’s gonna be some monetizations. That doesn’t bother me as much as convoluted quest steps. 20 of an item, per class, (next season. I know it’s 10 per class after) is more than enough considering the quality of armor presently. In fact, I’ve made armor I like in game now. So I may not use this much. People getting mad about this I just don’t understand. Some of the armor transmogs will be without resource cost as well. I don’t see people talking about that. Just the negative. Oh well. I’m still playing the game.

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Bruno Brito

Imagine trying to justify this cashgrabby system with “being independent”.

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Greaterdivinity

They’ve remained independent since they left Microsoft/Halo. They had publishers backing them since, but now they’re getting direct investment and have sustainable revenue coming in from Destiny 2 since they broke from Activision.

Why are people mad?

1. It’s pointlessly convoluted, there’s no reason three separate currencies are needed for the process. Like, I don’t think I’ve seen such a pointlessly convoluted system even in F2P mobile grinders where grinding and upgrading currencies is often central to the whole game.

2. The cap of 10 class is…pretty damned weak, especially knowing that it doesn’t work with some older paid armors and exotics. Sure, a great many armor pieces are recolors/minor tweaks, but it severely limits your ability to build any kind of library of stuff without spending money. I think folks worked it out to something like 30+ years worth of grinding just to unlock everything in the game NOW, assuming no new armors are released.

2.5. It’s expensive as fuck if you actually wanna unlock everything. Most estimates I’ve seen are around $10K for all three classes, so over $3K per class which…holy shit that’s insane.

I mean, cool if you’re down with the system and enjoying the game. But from an observers PoV (having played quite a bit but fallen off, and now being salty that all the content I paid money for is vaulted and likely not ever to return) as an MMO player I’m absolutely blown away by how convoluted, expensive, and terrible the system is overall. It’s like they DIDN’T look at cosmetic systems in any other MMO on the market and simply said, “You know what? I bet we can make a pointlessly convoluted system that will just piss most of our players off. LET’S DO IT!”

People are focusing on the negative because honestly that’s what this implementation of a cosmetic system mostly is. It’s a pretty awful version of a standard system that has no reason to be this aggressively monetized, this insanely time-gated, and this grindy.

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Veldara

When The Division 2 developers have implemented an infinitely better transmog system than your game, you know you went off the rails.

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Greaterdivinity

Seriously. I’ll clown on Division 2 for tons and tons of content-related reasons (don’t even get me started on the end of the last manhunt or the entirety of the summit), but their cosmetic system is bloody fantastic as hell. Like, holy shit good, 10/10 and it’s not even really monetized (as outfits are monetized separately).

But from a design standpoint holy shit it’s great. “Pick up piece of gear you don’t have? You now own the appearance. Want to use it? Mod it onto an existing piece of gear. DONE.” Simple and extremely effective.

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Greaterdivinity

Times like this make me genuinely wonder if the development team have played like, literally any other MMO on the market.

Oof, this is just…bad from top to bottom, hopefully they’ll reverse course on this faster than they did with sunsetting.

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nomadmorlock9

No. Just no.

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The Weeb formerly known as Sray

This is not Bungie being out of touch: this is not accidental. We keep seeing these companies introduce nightmare versions of requested systems that are monetized to hell and back. This is all done just so they can get community uproar out of the way and then introduce the actual version of what they want to do, which will look reasonable in comparison to the insane proposal. We’ll all say “it still sucks, but at least this is more reasonable” and then forget about it and go back to playing until the next time they give us another overly-monetized, super shitty version what we ask for. This is what happens when we consumers keep giving “second chances” over and over: the companies learn the lesson that we’ll pay to beta test their games and we’ll pay their ridiculous microtransactions just so long as they make it look like a “reasonable” alternative.

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Danny Smith

I think the only time this didn’t work was Blizzard and the three hats that only ended up with an lfr kicking debuff. It was clear sellable gear of any kind was the bar that at the time players wouldnt cross.

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Nathan Aldana

the problem is even if we learn the lesson, companies know full well human brain chemistry can be beaten down if they just keep doing it,

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Krzysztof Czajka

sounds like a Tory government lmao

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David Goodman

Wow this does sound like it could be a parody..

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IronSalamander8 .

I don’t play either Destiny game but saw a video on this and it sounds indeed like the entire purpose is to encourage players to spend money instead of grinding like crazy and dealing with what sounds like a complicated system. If I was playing this game, this would be a powerful catalyst to stop.

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Turing fail

I got Destiny 2 for free but only played for an hour or so. It just didn’t do it for me.

If I didn’t have an absurd amount of storage space on my computer I’d uninstall it already… guess I’m a game hoarder.

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Brinto Sfj

And here we thought that they could not go any worse after splitting from Activision. Guess it proves that game developers these days are less of a game developer and more of a money printing machine developer.

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Tizmah

Proves that maybe, just maybe Activision isn’t the problem after all.

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Brinto Sfj

They are not the sole problem but they are a big problem. They are intrusive and always try to push away creative minds so they can have a money printer instead. Just look at how many “managers” and “financial officers/advisers” Blizzard have now compared to 5 years ago and you see the problem.

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Nathan Aldana

Oh nah. Activision is absolutely a problem. Just because Bungie is solo doesnt suddenly make activisions own pushing of similar attempts at manipulating disabled people into being “whales” any less true.

All corporations are evil.

All corporations will push predatory microtransactions if it benefits them.

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Brinto Sfj

You are 100% right. Years of working under morally questionable people can also make others do morally questionable things. Imagine learning all kind of morally questionable ways game developers can make money for years, even after going solo, those teachings stay. And if the game developers have been shitty people to begin with, that is a one big hell yeah!

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cursedseishi

So… it has taken them ~four years to finally get around to fixing the easiest issue the game had, by making Shaders actual, permanent, simple unlocks…

So of course they screw up even harder in the process. Destiny 1 wasn’t amazing at launch, but it got great fast with the support post that. And somehow… Destiny 2 launched worse off than D1 at launch, remained worse-off longer than D1 ever did, and takes far longer to get round that bend to being good.

I pray to the floating Not-Moon that Bungie doesn’t attempt a Destiny 3. Only reason I have and can play Destiny 2 is because the game tanked physically and copies were going for like… $5, so I was able to get it for pretty much free with some Gamestop points. I cannot imagine how Destiny 3 might release with what seems to be a guaranteed cycle Bungie has at this point.
To be fair, I don’t play it though… because I also have Destiny 1, and if I wanted to play the game that is what I’d actually want to play. Whenever I get that spark of interest, there’s always a quick snuffing out of it by them to ensure I don’t.

At this point, I imagine if they did do Destiny 3, the smearshow it’d be would leave the game like an $80 title that looks like West of Loathing, that charges you for polygons, and every weapon and gear drop has a hardcoded biometric lock that you either pay $1 to bypass, or spend three hours real-time at some Guardian DMV going between lines, reading off the same 5 eye sheets at the back, and having to nod your camera up and down over and over before they unlock it for you. Because the sheer amount of idiocy and poor decision making on display here HAS to be performative. It is wild and impossible that these people made Halo, and yet…

It.. It is there. Chief is under an extremely pressurized and dense lake of septic sludge, but I can feel his hand clawing for air. the gameplay is there… It’s just… it is there, and present, but everyone at Bungie doesn’t have time to tell you about it.