Sword and Bored: Jumping puzzle

My opinion of jumping puzzles is likely opposite of most people who have played games like Guild Wars 2 or Star Wars: The Old Republic: I actually kind of like them. Sure, some of them are extremely frustrating, and I admit that I really am not very good at them. But they are fun, and they make MMOs more interesting than a straight combat simulator.

With the expansion that Mo’s MMO just recently had, there are, of course, going to be new jumping puzzles for Mo and his friends to complete. So let’s see what happens in this week’s comic…

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mosselyn
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mosselyn

Sums up the GW2 JP’s pretty well. I find people either love ’em or hate ’em. 
I came into the game hating platforming with a passion, esp. after datacron hunting in SWTOR. However, GW2 is more responsive, so with a little practice, I’ve come to adore them, even the timed ones.

ToyFuzion
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ToyFuzion

I go out of my way to avoid jumping puzzles because them make me like… #O$&@)#$&#@FUEOIRUE!!!!. haha

MJ Guthrie
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MJ Guthrie

Darthbawl Siphaed cromahr Ryuen No, I don’t have to get all the achievements.  Shinies, however, are another story!

mbbrazen
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mbbrazen

paragonlostinspace mbbrazen It’s wonderful, beyond anything I could have wished for…. but all things come in the right time…so just be patient :)

libertylion7
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libertylion7

Jumping puzzles are a content filter for me.  If I see one, I filter out that content and go do something else.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

mbbrazen paragonlostinspace   I can’t wait to be a grandparent. I tell the kids of course that I want them to wait until they’re done with college and are at a place in their lives where they’re in a solid relationship and are financially sound, but the wannabe grandparent in me really can’t wait! heh.

Oleg Chebeneev
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Oleg Chebeneev

This muslim woman appeared in “comic” almost more frequently then main hero and we dont even know who is this beatch

Radfist
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Radfist

I quite enjoy platforming games, but all the jumping puzzles I have seen in MMOs err on the side of frustration, because the movement animations and precision are lacking for that kind of thing.  I can do them, I just don’t find them particularly enjoyable.  I would rather exploration style puzzles unless the game has amazing parkour style responsive movement.

Ryuen
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Ryuen

fakepants Ryuen I do all those too ;)

It’s not the fact that there are basic cross gameplay elements in MMO’s that bother me, it’s the execution of said elements that often feels lacking.

Now maybe GW2 has some good ones that are fun but generally speaking in the MMO genre they are lacking in execution in my opinion and badly executed platform gameplay can be an exercise in frustration.

Now if I wanted an exercise in frustration I’ll dig out my old price of persia floppy, not play an MMO :p

mysecretid
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mysecretid

plynky12 
Oh, we thought the level was really cool to look at, and an unique idea, it was just frustrating because my friend and I jump like Mo. 
And, as above, it was hard enough (and took long enough) just getting two players through the sequence — I can’t imagine what it would be like trying to shepherd four. :-)

Cheers,

mysecretid
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mysecretid

JonBuck 
We did get through — probably because there were only two of
us, rather than four. We were chatting on Skype, and made sort of a
comedy of it, determined to get to the end, despite a ridiculous number of deaths and respawns each.It
was something of a let-down to discover nothing but a fairly-standard
big boss-fight at the end. We were sort of hoping for an achievement or a
title (“Traffic Cone” ? :-) ), at the very least.

plynky12
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plynky12

mysecretid That’s one of my favourite missions in the game! So different from anything else in the game, and the sky traffic backdrop is just wonderful.

cromahr
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cromahr

Siphaed cromahr Ryuen “Getting every achievement is NOT required.   Just because you WANT to do
them does not mean that the content attached should be expunged from
the game because “it’s hard”, “challenging”, or whatever. If you cannot
do jumping puzzles, then you just simply cannot do that daily.”
Neither is doing ANYTHING in an MMO. You can just level and then stop playing the game. My point was: If they include jumping puzzle games into the game, when that is not a focus point of the genre, make it mqandatory.
Saying “you dont need every achievement” is a pretty black vs. white kind of view. Flying has been in game for 8 years, then was supposed to be removed, then they attached those achievements to unlock it.
So suddenly, I am forced to find all these treasures, many of them requiring jumping puzzles, just to unlock flying? And lore-wise, this makes sense, because I need to be able to jump a gap or find the right slope before I can mount the dragon I have been riding for years again?
Mechanically, WOW is not a jump and run. If Blizz wants to add jumping puzzles, sure. If you like that as more variety in your MMO, knock yourself out. But dont make it mandatory for unlocking stuff liek flying.
I only mentioned that achievement as it was required to unlock flying.
If the game had 200 achievements related to jumping puzzles (like “Do all the jumping puzzles in zone x”, “reach all treasure chests in building y”), I wouldnt care. I wouldnt want those achievements at all, and simply ignore that part of the game. More power to any player who enjoys this and does it.
My point was: They can add 20K jumping puzzles and related achievements. But dont lock stuff that the majority will want to do (like flying) behind this mechanics.

slambit
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slambit

finally someone worse than me at those jumping games, not much worse though :)

mbbrazen
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mbbrazen

paragonlostinspace mbbrazen  Oh I will get it eventually and thanks for your encouragement. Have to stop letting the grand kid use my computer. He’s an “enthusiastic” gamer at 6 and a couple of the keys on my keyboard  can attest to that! Maybe I’ll make his Mom get me a keyboard for Xmas…. now that’s a thought.

fakepants
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fakepants

Ryuen Yeah? And if you wanted combat you’d play a fighting game, not a MMO. And if you wanted fast travel you’d play a racing game, not an MMO. If you wanted a story you’d read a book. Wanted a puzzle, then there’s puzzle games. 

And if you wanted to be dismissive you’d comment on MassivelyOP. :P

JonBuck
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JonBuck

mysecretid Ugggh. That one. It was just too frustrating for the PUG I was playing with and I haven’t tried again since. It’s just too irritating.

Robert80
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Robert80

If they were… puzzling, then I would enjoy them.  Have something where you have to figure out things, while jumping around on a fairly easy course (maybe not always easy to see, but easy to jump.)
I do not enjoy most platformer games.  Mainly, because input devices having issues (sure, you can go buy more keyboards and such… but when they work for everything else that’s silly) and extremely tight requirements (yes, we know you like spikes, but why would you put dozens of them in a spiral pattern down a twisting tunnel that you have to contort your body through to get to your bedroom?  No, wait, I don’t think I want to know…) tend to mix and create a mess of deadly stuff that you know you can complete, but is it really worth the pain after the fifth time something just didn’t work quite how you wanted it to?

I love to explore places that are hidden away (such as the Rift Cairns) when it isn’t an exercise in platforming frustration… but just places set up for platform jumping with nothing else to make it worth while (okay, loot, but forget that too) isn’t going to interest me that much.  If I wanted to jump through hoops, I’d talk with any government office.

KirkSteadman
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KirkSteadman

Veldan That was a great jumping puzzle, there was so much saaaalt.

mysecretid
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mysecretid

digi_owl 
Yeah. In these games, I often growl at my screen in frustration, “If you’re going to require precision, then you have to provide precision!” Typically followed by a lot of angry, naughty words that I shouldn’t repeat here. :-)
Cheers

mysecretid
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mysecretid

Heh. Reminds me of the “macrobinoculars” questline in SWTOR, where you have to jump through air traffic on Nar Shadaa just to get to the boss of a 4-person Heroic mission.

My buddy and I did it out-leveled as a pair, and it still took us probably 90 minutes (or more) to get through the sequence together, with all the falling and dying (we jump like Mo).

Can’t imagine you’d easily find four people with the patience to run that sequence together.

Thanks for the strip!

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf

ManastuUtakata schlag sweetleaf my q*bertese is a bit rusty..couldn’t tell ya.

MrVrodWPG
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MrVrodWPG

Veldan So is being tortured… oh wait, same thing.

TomTurtle
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TomTurtle

Maggie_May And that’s why I’m glad they’re mostly optional content. I love them, but I understand many do not, and it’d be pretty terrible to require them regularly.
As for my helping out with portals, well, ArenaNet has been getting smarter about this in JP’s making them have checkpoints or key part requirements making it difficult to simply portal someone to the end. Granted, they’ve been some of the most enjoyable JP’s to me that I’ve experienced yet.

wolfyseyes
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wolfyseyes

This comment is the Ultra Combo of references.

wolfyseyes
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wolfyseyes

Another reason why the Charr are the superior species in GW2–their jumoing animation makes you feel like they are really reaching for that platform and gives you a better sense of distance.

Maggie_May
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Maggie_May

Hey!

Maggie_May
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Maggie_May

I remember a few brave souls helping me. Then they gave up. I am THAT good. Mind you on the few I did get (On the tallest Norn possible) made me quite proud until the next frustrating swearing cursing pile of stones and then I’d feel awful again.

goldstariv
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goldstariv

Perhaps they should add Battletoads-esque hover bike sequences too..  For a good exercise in frustration..

Maybe even a TMNT NES underwater level.. lol..

Aww gee, why wait for an MMO to add these things, they should still be apart of gaming..

Maggie_May
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Maggie_May

Ok it’s official … I am MO!

Shaddoe
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Shaddoe

Mitzruti Grimmtooth Siphaed Secret?

Estranged
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Estranged

These exercises are made for controllers, not for the keyboard.  Super Mario.  Sonic.  Controllers.  Ninja Gaiden.

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

schlag sweetleaf 
That thing really does speak to you when you /failed them after the 3rd dozen time, doesn’t it? :(

Darthbawl
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Darthbawl

Siphaed cromahr Ryuen “Getting every achievement is NOT required.”
Oh boy, don’t let MJ read this, she will certainly keel over! :D

Veldan
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Veldan

Mad King’s Clocktower! An unforgettable experience.

Siphaed
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Siphaed

cromahr Siphaed Ryuen 
I’m pretty sure you have to learn to jump before you can fly.  That kind of makes sense lore wise.
And contrary to some beliefs, dailies are NOT required.  Getting every achievement is NOT required.   Just because you WANT to do them does not mean that the content attached should be expunged from the game because “it’s hard”, “challenging”, or whatever. If you cannot do jumping puzzles, then you just simply cannot do that daily.  If you cannot jump, then unfortunately you cannot fly either.

digi_owl
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digi_owl

Dunno about SWTOR, but the basic issue with those in GW2 is that telling a safe surface from a fatal slope is basically trial and error. This because frankly the engine was never meant for this kind of stuff.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

mbbrazen paragonlostinspace Yeah, that one about broke the wife and I. Seriously I thought we were gonna have to let it go. You’ll do it some time. :)

cromahr
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cromahr

Siphaed Ryuen Yeah as long as you keep them optional, sure, why not. The way WOW did it, including them in some dailies (Isle Of Thunder), or for their flying achievement…not so much. If it was optional for those who like them, sure, but if its an MMO, dont make jumping puzzles mandatory for certain things like flying etc

mbbrazen
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mbbrazen

paragonlostinspace The only piece of lore in TSW that I don’t have! One day though…on day.

DeadlyAccurate
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DeadlyAccurate

I’ve done a few in GW2, and I mostly like them. I don’t like timed puzzles much, though, so I give up on those pretty quickly.

FeveredDreamer
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FeveredDreamer

Hehe jumping puzzles are one of the few things I actively loathe about GW2, though I appreciate that some folks like em.

Siphaed
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Siphaed

Ryuen 
Another closed mind as to how feature rich MMO games should be….

Mitzruti
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Mitzruti

Grimmtooth Siphaed given that she’s portaled the rogues previously… secret mean streak?

TomTurtle
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TomTurtle

I’m a sucker for jumping puzzles. I love love love them! I also love helping people out and in GW2, I’ve helped countless individuals bypass tricky jumping puzzles on my mesmer. Huzzah!

padreadamo
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padreadamo

Asheron’s Call was doing jumping puzzles 15 years ago before they were cool.

schlag sweetleaf
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schlag sweetleaf

i got this..

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

I love jumping puzzles. But then, I’ve played, and beaten, nearly every platformer Mario game.

paragonlostinspace
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paragonlostinspace

A Dad Supreme paragonlostinspace Shotgun/hammer counters werewolf!

Damonvile
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Damonvile

Mo is like the worst party member ever. I’d just stop logging in if he was in my group :P

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