Hi-Rez addresses the Paladins pay-to-win uproar

    
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The Paladins community has been flipping tables this week over the game’s new Legendary cards and Essence currency, which players argue are blatantly pay-to-win. Hi Rez’s latest patch essentially nerfed gold grinding — and therefore, the players’ ability to save gold to simply buy what they want — by handing out the new Essence instead of gold to players who receive duplicates in their reward chests. If you’re sitting on a huge stock of gold and cards, you’re fine, but newbies are finding that gold is almost worthless, RNG can wreck them, and Essence accrues too slowly to be of use. And as MMO players all know, when you can’t compete without whipping out your credit card, the words “pay-to-win” aren’t far behind.

Good news, though: Hi-Rez said late last night that it’s working on the issue and will have some sort of update today, so you’re not going to have to make good on those threats to go play Overwatch after all:

But not before League of Legends devs threw some shade!

Source: Reddit. Thanks, Fakepants and midgetsnowman.
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Melissa McDonald

I have this really strong desire to create a game called “Pay 2 Win” where one can indeed outspend others to create “the” most powerful player in the game.
All I’d need is a bog-standard PvP MMO to tweak with a mighty cash shop, and watch the ganking and the salty tears flow :)

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Scrungle

I’d play. Enough salt for the Pacific ocean.

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agemyth 😩

League of Legends has one of the worst F2P models outside the kind of stuff you see in mobile games or the stereotypical “Asian P2W” game, but I try not to take one employees tweet as some kind of company statement. His account is also private now :P

I don’t play Paladins, but I imagine it is one of many games that will rely on things like RNG to rake in the cash.

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BDJ

Are you insane? Their F2P model is amazing for the consumer. You dont “need” skins. Period. You can earn more than enough IP to get new heroes at a relatively fast manner.

You people want them to hand you everything for free. If you had your way, we wouldnt have free to play games at all. Then you would bitch about sub based games are B2P games. Developers cant win with people like you.

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RJB

Yeah, i was gonna say what are you smoking LoL is 0% pay to win i’ve spent over 2k+ so have my friends even tho id on’t play anymore

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Armsbend

I didn’t get this either. I guess you can buy the pages for different builds. Or boosting to level 30. If LoL still works that way I havent played a game since 2013.

Still not p2w at all – which is why it is immensely popular.

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agemyth 😩

I played a lot of League starting with the open beta. I bought the retail package of characters and whatever the second character pack they made was. Even with that as a starting character pool and numerous IP purchased heroes to choose from I always felt I was at a disadvantage due to lack of options.

One of the biggest way these games are balanced is with huge hero pools to counter-pick your opponents with. If every player in a game does not have the full character pool to choose from in a match the game is not balanced.

Maybe you feel differently about the IP grind, but it always seemed way too steep to me. Furthermore, the addition of the runes and rune pages (do they charge for Mastery pages?) being purchasable with IP (if these systems are still in as I remember them) a player without numerous pages of rune and mastery builds is at a disadvantage. It costs in the ballpark of 20,000 IP for one extra rune page and the runes to fill it. Most of the characters are 3150-6300 IP.

The time and/or money sink to have a level playing field in a game that calls itself an e-sport is appalling.

At least in Smite and Paladins they offer very reasonably priced “All characters present and future” packs.

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BDJ

I don’t need numerous any pages. I set one up on the fly because every set up is different. I can change them pretty quickly.

Even if you had to buy some more rune pages, you can buy packs of heroes + rune pages for way less than a boxed game cost. They have to make money somehow. The game isn’t free to develop and maintain. As far as free to play games go, its more than reasonable. Its actually beyond reasonable. You get free champs to play every week. You can earn shards and stuff to build new heroes and costumes. You don’t need to buy a rune / mastery page for every hero.

It really sounds more and more like the game’s set up just isn’t for you. I don’t have every hero. I am missing 30 or so, but I am a diamond 3 player.

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Nathan Aldana

I believe the reddit for paladins described the new scheme as “hearthstone if it was extremely unfair”

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Cypher

“We’re working on the issue”… like, was this a mistake? I’m pretty sure you don’t accidentally make your game pay-to-win , right?

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Darthbawl

They might be making changes to make the game less-pay-to-win or pay-to-win-ish. :P

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Armsbend

They accidentally made it pay to win while still in beta. They meant to make it p2w after wider release.

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Nathan Aldana

I think its more of a “oh, the community reacted with a lot more anger than we anticipated. Uuuuhhhh oh”

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camren_rooke

I just won’t play either! So there!