E3 2017: EA BioWare reveals Anthem, a shared-world Destiny clone

Move over Destiny; BioWare is about to take a shot at your market share with its newly revealed Anthem.

Anthem is a “shared-world action-RPG” in which players will don exosuits and head off into the wild unknown to seek adventure and fight forces that aren’t humanity’s best friends. Yes, it sounds an awful lot like Destiny, down to the small four-person teams, although Anthem is putting a greater focus on its Iron Man-like suits and their abilities (which include jet packs). Players will craft and customize their Javelin exosuits to meet the challenges ahead.

The setting is an alien planet with large monstrous foes, violent weather, and extreme terrain. Good thing you have those exosuits, eh? EA is being a little vague about the genre borders of this title, as it sounds a bit like an MMO, will feature character progression a la an RPG, have BioWare’s storytelling at its core, but also be focused on a much more action-oriented gameplay loop.

BioWare is aiming for a fall 2018 releaseΒ with this game. We’ve got Anthem’s teaser trailer and gameplay video after the break!

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MrNastyButler

This game makes me think more of an Iron Man game than a Destiny game really at least from those first videos. I mean the co-op part does feel very Destiny or Division based. But the movements around remind me of those Iron Man games.

Really don’t think much of this game so far. Just another co-op Destiny/Division style game. Probably will release with large numbers, then people will find faults. EA won’t be able to pump out the content to peoples desires and then it will get called a failure but some and others will love it. Really not impressed by this game from what they’ve shown so far.

Don’t get why BioWare was pulled in to work on this too. Seems like an odd choice. Maybe for their art style?

Overall, “clone” is a pretty close word to use for it. Not a total clone, but close enough you can feel it’s similarities and the word does ring in tune with it.

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Ben Preston

the correct word your looking for is “inspired”.
all games are inspired from something else, i imagine yuu will know when “clone” comes into the picture.

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Chris Brown-DeMoreno

Clone is a poor word to use here. This looks to me like what Destiny should have been. I can’t wait to actually play this.

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deekay_plus

i’m surprised this is a bioware game. it looks better than and unlike anything they’ve put out in the past decade.

the combat actually looks decent for one, the movement fluid and responsive, and the voice acting/writing didn’t make me cringe.

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Valen Sinclair

Now we know where Bioware has been putting it’s A-team…because it wasn’t on the mediocre ME:A.

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Rolan Storm

Ahahahaha! ‘Clone’. :D Harsh. But I think Destiny made it happen actually by never arriving to PC. We found out Destiny 2 will be just recently, I guess BW did not know too. :)

Besides, there are differences. Let them compete. The best one will win. So far I like flying very much.

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Malcolm Swoboda

No emphasis on narrative, no buy. (And I’ve seen none of that yet.) Don’t care either way if it succeeds, but good for them if it does.

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mysecretid

Much to my surprise, I’m not really feeling it.

Sure, it’s slick, and very pretty — and if these things maintain through release, it will probably sell a gajillion copies …

… but functionally, the gameplay looks like the child of Firefall and Destiny. I played a fair bit of the former game, and a metric tonne of the later (I am a Destiny fan, it seems), so I’m not entirely convinced that I need Anthem.

Beyond this, I confess I’m disappointed that Anthem is the big, secret impressive game-project revelation from Bioware — while Blizzard has arguably made its fortunes from releasing slick, accessible versions of popular types of games ( e.g. StarCraft, World of WarCraft, Overwatch …), I didn’t expect a game released under the Bioware imprint to go that route.

I guess I expected a story- and character-driven game from anything published by EA under the Bioware name … but that doesn’t look like what we’re getting here.

I suppose this is the final proof the Bioware is indeed EAware in all respects now; I find myself regretting that Anthem is supposedly the main reason the Mass Effect franchise has been sidelined, going forward.

Again, Anthem looks lovely, and I expect it will sell a gajillion copies on release, barring unforeseen weirdness, but it just doesn’t call to me, personally.

Cheers,

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Nick

Only thing I like about this more than Destiny or Destiny 2 is that its always in third person mode. Everything else is so scripted and on-rails they can’t really be trusted other than it will have guns and things to shoot at.

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Solaris

Might be a clone, but the game world looks multitudes more interesting than Destiny. That voice over work was fantastic as well.

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Necromonger

Sorry but its Bioware and if any studio lost all its credits it is without a doubt Bioware.

I rather play Destiny 2 even if its more shit, more pay to win, more DLC, more Microtransactions etc etc etc then to buy another Biocrap game.

And no i wont buy Destiny 2 either but hey if i would need to pick an evil it would be Bungie / Activision instead oe EA / Bioware.

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Mick the Barbarian

Life’s too short for grudges. If it’s good, I’ll play it.

PS: I loved Mass Effect: Andromeda

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Solaris

Also loved Andromeda. Still puzzled at the hate.

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MrNastyButler

So loved Andromeda, definitely at the top of my ME games.

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Tiresias

So… even if Anthem turns out to be an objectively better game with an objectively better business model than Destiny 2, you will still play Destiny 2 because of closely held beliefs about the studios involved?

Well, alright then.

I’ll probably play both games.

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Raimo Kangasniemi

This could have easily been the Mass Effect MMORPG people have been asking for.

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Totakeke

Clone is a bit harsh.

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hurbster

Bioware’s name is pretty much mud nowadays, so I really don’t give a monkey’s about this. Especially after being burnt on their last couple of games.

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NeoWolf

Don’t blame Bioware for EA’s decisions is my policy

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deekay_plus

bioware was behaving “badly” long before selling out to ea.

and plenty of ea studio underlings have repetaedly comre forward to say that EA gives their studios alot of freedom.

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NeoWolf

Big difference between creative freedom and Carte Blanche decision making. At the end of the day they still have to have EA write off on anything that requires time, personnel or money as that is the business.

Its easy to blame Bioware for mistakes because their name is on the games.. but it is EA that decides what they can do, how much they can do, what they have to cute short or out, what personnel they have, what resources are available and how long they have to do any of it. You only have to look at the mess that was Mass Effect andromedas development for example.. Bioware made it but the mess was caused by EA’s decision making and messing around with resources (to develop Anthem as it happens). Yet people will still blame Bioware..

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deekay_plus

i used to hang out with someone who works at bioware monteral and it did not surprise me one bit when i learned it was them that made the game.

MEA is every bit a bioware fuck up. just like swtor’s problems were too.

EA gets the ticket master rap for their studio’s own doing without them. in fact thanks to the lack of oversight and freedom EA gives them.

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Nick

BioWare is just a division of EA. Any idea that they are separate entities is just wrong. BioWare is just what they call that particular EA studio/dev team. EA literally owns BioWare. Its like saying don’t blame the Office Suite development team for Microsoft’s decisions.

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Crowe

At this point, Bioware = EA
Are any of the original employees even left? Once the docs sold out and moved on, Bioware quickly lost the credibility they once had.

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NeoWolf

The first line of the article made me chuckle as I watched the gaemplay trailer for this with one of my gaming buddies and the first words out of his mouth were “well Destiny’s done..” lol

I’m excited by Anthem but its also a little bittersweet because this games development is also why Mass Effect: Andromeda was not what everyone hoped for and is now on indefinite hiatus.

At any rate I suspect I’ll pick this up once available.

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Nick

Just like any other game preview of this type, fully expect all of this to be toned down and scaled back in the end product. You barely got to see the UI and this was ‘on-rails’ more than a Time Crisis game.

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angrakhan

I don’t know why but the term ‘exosuit’ has always bothered me. It’s redundant. ‘Exo’ means ‘outside’. A suit, by definition, is already ‘outside’ your body making ‘exosuit’ redundant unless someone can tell me what an ‘endosuit’ is. Sounds painful, whatever it might be.

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NeoWolf

I missed the question in your comment, but to answer it an endo suit would simply refer to a suit you wear within something. Fantasy examples would be Irons Mans Extremis armor (which resides within his skin), or the cooling vest a Mechwarrior would wear. Real life examples would be a wet suit worn within a diving suit is technically an endo suit, a Pilots pressure suit worn inside an aircraft, also Underwear is technically an endo suit. Anything that is designed to be worn within something else falls within the realm of an endo suit.

The word itself again an abbreviated term Endo derives from the greek word Endon, which means within, internal, inside. and suit referring of course to the fact it is something worn or covering the body.

the common misconception of course being that it refers to something worn within the body, which in real world terms it doesn’t. That only ever coccurs in the realms of fantasy ;)

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angrakhan

I like your explanation of the meaning of Exosuit. It being an abbreviation makes total sense, and now my brain can quit squirming at the word. I’m not sure I agree with your endosuit explanation since Exosuit in an abbreviation then Endosuit is either also an abbreviation or not the opposite in meaning. Underwear, for example is not worn within, internal or inside the body. It’s external to it. It is worn under your other clothing, hence the name. By your definition every article of clothing would be an endosuit because it’s worn ‘inside the car’ or ‘inside the office’ or ‘inside the house’ or ‘inside the Earth’s atmosphere’, yet I do not believe the intent is that broad.

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NeoWolf

As I said Endo is also an abbreviation, I also noted it is a common misconception that Endo means within the body, which it doesn’t specifically it simply means literally a within suit, or something worn inside. Where endo suits are concerned it is easier to think of them as a layer, hence the underwear example. under-wear something worn under, which is by definition an endo suit, something worn inside clothing.

If it referenced something worn inside the body it would instead be correctly called endoderm rather than an endo suit because them it would be inside the skin rather than somethign worn, which is where the suit in endo suit comes from.

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NeoWolf

A suit sits outside your body so its still applicable but either way an Exo suit is actually an abbreviated name in istelf for Exoskeletal suit, which is reference to both the exoskeletal frame which enhances a wearers strength and movements and the Suit which simply refers to the fact the exoskeletal frame is covered and/or sealed.

Its actually the same terminology used in real life for the exosuits being developed for military and industrial usage…though certainly nothing as fancy looking as these Javelins yet lol

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Dug From The Earth

I really wish they would have released some actual game details.

Is it really something that plays like destiny? Fully online, persistent world, with thousands of players? Or maybe its more like Borderlands 2, where up to 4 people can join a game co-op and adventure around the world doing quests and collecting loot, separate of anyone elses game.

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NeoWolf

Did you watch both trailers? one is a minute and a half or so teaser they released first, the other is a seven minute scripted gameplay video. The second doesn’t give heaps of details but it definitely gives a pretty basic grasp of how things are.

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Alex Malone

Well, it looks great aesthetically – I’m a big fan of futuristic nature and big ass monsters and weapons so this is right up my street.

However, the actual gameplay looked pretty dull and the game is coming from EAware, so pretty much guaranteed to have too much generic story, crappy companions and shallow gameplay.

Also, anyone play Xenoblade Chronicles X? Apart from the flying, I can see a lot of similarities.

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Greaterdivinity

Meh, I’ll keep an eye on it if nothing else. Could be a fun online third person shooter, and even with the graphical downgrades coming should look pretty great.

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zeko_rena

Haha as I was watching it I was thinking “this will be a fun one to compare this trailer to the release game and spot the difference”

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Jeff

Well considering how much Destiny sucked…I can’t see this being any worse.

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A Dad Supreme

2:13

“Deadpool: Superhero landing. He’s gonna do a superhero landing. Wait for it.
[Anthem bot jumps from the platform and lands]
Deadpool: [clapping his hands] Whoo! Superhero landing! You know, that’s really hard on your knees.”

Doesn’t feel like Division to me… more like Firefall. A good looking Firefall.

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Chris Moss

said the same thing. played Firefall bit and this has almost identical gameplay

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Pointing out the obvious here. This is just another game on an MMO news site, that really isn’t an MMO. The developers do not call it that and the article above just echoes what the devs labeled it. Which is “shared world RPG”. It looks designed for 1-4 person groups. Who will undoubtedly be in their own instance of the world. It is a hub shooter. It will have more in common with Diablo and Hellgate London than any real MMO.

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Sally Bowls

Any help on translating CEO speak to English: In the last conference call, discussing the delay, Wilson said

The game is built around a live service, and through our creative process, we decided to add more to the disruptive new social design for our players. To accommodate that, we are moving the launch date for this project into fiscal year ’19.

For me, I find a design disruptive if I am forced to group with you hooligans. But disruptive usually means innovative or game-changing, which I did not git so far from the social aspects.

TBD I guess.

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Sally Bowls

I may have it.

Attention our Journalistic Overlords: I think there is a topic on whether you think the new EA research could/would ever work for MMOs.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/299840/EA_wants_to_use_machine_learning_to_create_realtime_game_narratives.php

But what’s interesting about this particular pitch is the way Wilson described EA’s plan to harness neural networks and machine learning to tell dynamic, engaging, and highly-personal stories.

You see, he believes all games should strive to tell “amazing stories in an interactive world,” and as a result, he’s been challenging those working at EA to think of new ways to do exactly that.

Faced with that hefty challenge, Wilson’s team turned turned to our artificially intelligent counterparts in search of an answer.

“What we know about neural networks and machine learning these days is that you can feed [a computer] every poem that Emily Dickinson has every written, then give it a subject, and it will write you an Emily Dickinson-esque poem that to a layman like me is indiscernible from the real thing,” explained Wilson.

“So, what if you wanted to build a new Battlefield experience and you fed it every war story ever written? Could it tell you new and interesting and personal stories on a real-time basis every time you engage?” he ponders. Presumably the answer to this is ‘yes.'”

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Brother Maynard

If they’ll indeed go this way, it’s a very good move and one that has been long overdue.

They should, however, pair it with additional research into speech synthesis and procedural context-based animations, especially facial ones.

But at last someone is at least trying to explore beyond the boring safe bet of additional pixels or new often barely noticeable visual effect…

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Targeter

Translation: “We don’t know how we want pick-up groups in our not-MMO to work, so we’re going to push it out a bit and see if someone smaller has a better idea that we will then copy. Also, it’s totes not Destiny, you guys.”

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Tobasco da Gama

It’s not just a Destiny clone. It’s also ripping off Evolve.

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Brother Maynard

I’d say Firefall. All those suits, jetpacks, gliding around, etc.

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Valen Sinclair

Wait, Firefall invented power armor and jetpacks in science fiction gaming? Oooookay

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Brother Maynard

Nice straw man you’re fighting there. Not sure how “invention” of exosuits and jetpacks is related to my post, but at least you seem to be having fun.

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Solaris

So… like… Mass Effect?

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Brother Maynard

No idea about Andromeda, haven’t bothered with it, but in previous ME games there was none of it (except one N7 type with a very limited-use gliding in ME3 MP).

Whereas Firefall is built around all this stuff (collecting various exosuits – tanky, stealthy, heal…y and so on, using jetpacks all the time, gliding around the zone, etc). The only difference is Firefall has stylised graphics.

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Dug From The Earth

Im not seeing it. Oh, is it because there are big monsters? Lots of games rip off Evolve then.

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Totakeke

You’re both dumb. Because obviously big monsters were all ripped off from Monster Hunter.

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hurbster

3d monster maze.

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Dug From The Earth

ahem

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TomTurtle

Not a fan of using the word clone, especially when it’s been avoided for MMOs before on the site but not here for some reason.

Hoping to see more of this title in the Sony conference.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Not sure why MO use this word either considering we know nothing about the game yet.

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threeknee

It looks even less sincere than Destiny. RIP Bioware, zero creativity left in the studio.

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Mikey's Bored

Could be awesome, but im not sold on the giant ugly mech suits yet lol.

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Rumm

Looks great. No way its coming out in 2018.

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BDJ

You cannot realistically say this. You don’t have a damned clue how far they are along. You don’t know jack shit about their development time. Comnents like yours drive me nuts.

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Nick

Most games hit delays compared to their announced dates. Given this is literally the first game play video we have seen, its clearly VERY restricted/scripted and even for such a restrictive video a lot of elements you would normally see in game such as this were not present such as a full UI. They couldn’t even show off more than 2 rinky dink battles.

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I saw the target date as 2019 somewhere.

Correction Fall 2018 is the “target”.

http://www.pcgamer.com/anthem-release-date-set-for-spring-2018/

I always expect at least one delay.

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Count Oakland

I can no longer maintain hype for games that are announced 2-3 years ahead of their earliest possible launch.

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Rumm

This is the first time that we’ve even seen the game. Do you honestly believe they’re launching in a years time? Especially when EA is publishing. This was almost certainly pushed out for marketing earlier than the devs were comfortable with (as has been the case with literally every E3 that I’ve ever seen).

I can absolutely say this realistically, because it happens every single year.

Remindme! 1 year.

Get pissed off easier with a single incomplete sentence though. Idgaf if my comment drives you nuts, because it my opinion, which is the point of these threads. Would you be happy if I was gushing over this as the next big thing even though we’ve seen a single trailer? Take your perceived slight and fuck right off.

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Loopy

Daaamn, who peed in your cereal?

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BDJ

No one. Its just the ole D&G from a majority of think-they-know-it-alls. Just going to start adding them all to ignore. Certain posters just don’t make any positive posts. Its kinda sad.

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Rumm

This is the part where I’d point out my comment history if such a thing still existed, but instead I’ll just tell you to fuck off again with your holier-than-thou attitude.
(This is the type of comment that should trigger you, not my initial one)

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BDJ

Using “triggered” really tells me everything I need to know about ya kiddo.

Keep on fighting the good fight there little fella.

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Rumm

“Kiddo” and “little fella” do the same for you friend. Keep taking offense at the little things, that’s what life is all about, right?

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BDJ

Eh if you arent about 19, then its pretty sad you are a grown damned man running around using words that most kids on the net use like “triggered”. Are you gonna throw out a “umad” or “cya nerd” next?
Fucking pathetic for a grown man to do so, don’t you agree?

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Rumm

What I think is really pathetic is that you’re clearly so worked up about this. The triggered comment obviously worked; how you function on the internet is beyond me. The fact that you’re probably red in the face reading this is amusing to me. Your gross overreaction shows me that your emotionally inept.

BTW, game is still not coming out in 2018. Lol. XD. Umad?

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BDJ

Not worked up at all bro lol. Just calling out a sad, grown man who likes to drop the cool dank memes.

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Jennifer Yaner

Dunno if I’d call it a “Destiny clone”, I mean by that logic any first person shooter with RPG mechanics is a Destiny clone. In any case it looks pretty cool, and I like the aesthetics. The trailer is kind of hard to watch because of the cringy, fake player dialogue.

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krieglich

And it isn’t even a first person shooter – it’s third person. So much for the “clone” in the headline.

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Nick

Its more about the format. Online co-op/PvE shooter teams going up against no goal in particular in an ‘open world’ (not that the video would indicate that). Being in third person really doesn’t shatter the ‘clone’ status since Destiny has several weapons and combat vehicles that are done in third person as well. I’m positive there won’t be an ‘offline single player’ mode.

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Richard de Leon III

It better have a damned good single player campaign storyline. I stopped playing Destiny when it was obvious the single player story was lacking.

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I am super impressed by the sound design and visuals so far. The players suits’ special attacks were really impressive in both regards and convey the power those cooldowns should represent.

I never did play Destiny since I’m not a dirty console peasant (jokes!) and was looking forward to Destiny 2 but this game may quickly supplant it next year.

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Jack Pipsam

I am interested, I’ll be sure to give it a shot whenever it does come out.

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Hirku

Welcome to the Age of SHWARPG’s, my friends. I like it, it’s fun to say out loud.

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Nick

Destiny itself was a fulfillment of a promise we have been seeing since PlanetSide. Everyone made various online team shooters but very little in the way of co-op online shooters. Lots of shooter had co-op online modes but they were more of an afterthought.

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Arktouros

Fall 2018…better start hyping people up a year in advance so that way there’s no way it’ll ever possibly live up to the hype that we’ve created and they spurred on.

I’ll say this about Bethesda, at least they reveal stuff when it’s actually going to be released.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Didnt think I’ll be that impressed by new Bioware IP considering how mediocre their last games were (especially DAI and SWToR). This game looks fantastic and I hope quality wont be only limited to visuals and they deliver some good stories

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Targeter

Inquisition was amazing, at least in my opinion. Problem was that Witcher 3 came out in the same time frame … that’ll overshadow any RPG.

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Arktouros

I dunno DAI really saved their bacon in my eyes. After DA2 then SWTOR a lot of people were really down on Bioware but DAI was pretty well received and I for one was a fan. I think however with Andromeda they h urt most of that good will or at the very least put the coffin in most of the fans of the Mass Effect series. I don’t think I’d put them as far as an Ubisoft level “Avoid at all costs!” level quite yet but they’re definitely downgraded to a “wait and hear reviews first.”

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Oleg Chebeneev

I honestly think DAI is Bioware’s worst game. Yes, worse then DA2. DA2 at least had excellent combat and semi-interesting story.

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Arktouros

DA2’s story was, simply put, atrocious. Every choice and decision was awful, not because there was no good choices, but because none of the choices made sense even in the slightest. The whole story was a mess no matter what angle you played it through and I played through all the mixes and variations. The only redeemable thing about that game was Varric.

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DA2 is the best Dragon Age.

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agemyth 😩

I would have liked Inquisition a lot more if they didn’t try to get a bite of the Skyrim audience with mediocre open world elements. It was the first Bioware game I haven’t played to completion in a very long time (except that Sonic RPG :P).

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Oleg Chebeneev

I dont think they crated for Skyrim audience at all. They crated for MMO audience with all those fetch quests, objectives and completionist crap.

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agemyth 😩

I believe that EA saw the success of Skyrim and told Bioware to make Dragon Age more like that. It was referenced and name-dropped in multiple interviews before release.

The vastness of DAI’s open world stuff is a direct response to the success of Skyrim. I agree that most of that content was not worth doing.

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@Oleg Dragon Age 2 says hello.

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wakkander

DAI was an improvement by virtue of how bad DA2 was. The open world-esque design still left a lot to be desired, with poor and lazy side quests drawn from bad mmo side quests, rather than good design. Compare the side quests of the Witcher 3 and DAI. (Or the main quest even, it doesn’t hold up in either comparison.)

BioWare has bled talent since the acquisition by EA, and the games it has produced have suffered under the EA banner. At this point almost all of the old guard that were known and recognizable have left.

Anthem looks good though, but at this point the name BioWare is practically worthless. It looks promising inspite of it, rather than the studio being a clear sign of quality.

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Arktouros

I mean it’s open world elements were in line with what DA:O was. Comparing Witcher and DA is ultimately an irrelevant comparison because they’re two different games trying to achieve different things. Not every game is aiming to be Skyrim or Witcher or anything else really but it’s own thing. The side quests and everything else in Inquisition worked within the framework of the game it is and worked well as the game it is which is ultimately what mattered. DA:2 didn’t work for many reasons within it’s same narrative or framework.

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This trailer reminds me oh so much of the Division’s trailer…. so… pass :P

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Mewmew

Um which one? The Gameplay trailer above the official teaser looks nothing remotely like The Division. Trailers aren’t a good way to judge games anyway one way or the other.

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Jennifer Yaner

Probably because the cringy “player” dialogue throughout the trailer. I don’t know what it is with developers and doing that nowadays, but they did it in The Division’s trailers and it was just as cringy.

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BDJ

You nailed it Jennifer. Right when I heard the back and forth on comms, it did nothing but instantly pop The Division initial trailer into my head.

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Terren Bruce

The old Destiny trailers were like that too. I find them sorta charming and wish real players were as agreeable to play with.

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venatis

Took me a while to realise the dialogue was actual people talking and not some poorly written and acted in-game dialogue.

Visually, looks pretty impressive but I imagine it’ll be like Destiny for me, fun for about a week and then it’ll get put down for months.

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Mewmew

Is there anything really wrong with that though? How many gameplay hours will you get and fun will you have that week? I imagine quite a lot of both.

Most of us will take a little while longer to get through it.

Anyway we didn’t have Destiny on PC, so those of us PC users who don’t have a console can look forward to playing this (well, and Destiny 2).

I’m always willing to give a game a chance. If I get by only paying $50 and get a few weeks of gameplay out of it I’ll consider that a big win. I guess that’s because I’m a mobile gamer as well, used to paying many hundreds for “free to play” games that I don’t even really play long.

My ultimate MMORPG game would be either a shooter or medieval game made in action shooter type fashion. A new Defiance like game that gets the right treatment, a Warframe type game that’s actually big open world with lots of people running around, a FireFall that actually is finished, things such as these. I wish Tabula Rasa was around to get to try out – maybe I would have hated it I don’t know I just wish it was here to have a go with. I have to settle for experiences like this game for now until a nice real shooter MMORPG comes along (not the whole lazy PvP only experience, but a big huge co-op world with lots of story and optional PvP).

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agemyth 😩

In another timeline all of these kinds of games might be called Hellgate clones.

I understand how Destiny got to the place where any online shooter+rpg with persistent elements is immediately and often dismissively compared to it and referred to as a “clone”, but I cannot help feeling like Destiny does not deserve that notoriety.

It could have been Hellgate. It could have been Borderlands if Gearbox had the foresight to make Borderlands 2 the more ambitious RPG+shooter it nearly was. There are probably numerous potential games on PC that could have been seen as the inspiration for this genre trend, but I guess Bungie and Activision made it theirs by being marginally better and a bit more ambitious that most other attempts.

Anyway, I am a Bioware skeptic like many these days, but I would welcome them back if they made something new even if its not a wholly original idea. This looks way more open and active than Destiny, but who knows what we will get in the final product.

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Jennifer Yaner

Agreed. I don’t think Destiny is really so great that it deserves as much fame as it gets. It has a lot of flaws. I am actually hoping Anthem knocks Destiny from its high horse.

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Nick

Doubtful. Even if Anthem comes out when they say (fall 2018) Destiny 2 will have already been out and live for more than a year. I would’t be surprised in the least if they are already working on a full time third person mode and shoulder mounted artillery for an xpac, which would also release before Anthem scheduled release date.

They will already be ‘established’ and whatever audience they got to stick by the time Anthem comes out will mostly stay that way. Anthem very well be ‘better’ but there won’t be much of Destiny 2 to ‘knock down.’

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agemyth 😩

EA vs Activision, I find it hard to really root for either, but yes competition is always welcome.

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Jennifer Yaner

Competition forces evolution. They’ll need to step up their efforts and not churn out the same crap every year to remain relevant, or they’ll fall into obscurity.

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Line

Visually it’s glorious, and I do like the mobility.
But I’m always worried about the longevity of the RPG systems in such games (and the “+100xp you reached lvl 7” in AssCreed Egypt made me laugh), what if it’s yet again another +0.37% critical damage to grind for with minimal story and world interactivity?

Worst thing is, I’m pretty sure that boring ass points to win for no reason will be in every thing that has a decent budget in this E3…

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Chris Moss

Looks like a better version of FireFall to me

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Jennifer Yaner

Why does that not sound like a hard thing to do? lol

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Alex Willis

oh look hey neat a EABW game I can’t wait to play a badass FemShep Iron (Wo)Man

wait where is Jennifer Hale

*frantically searches for presence of Jennifer Hale*

meh

*closes tab*

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Jennifer Yaner

I don’t know why, but Jennifer Hale fanboys annoy me. You know there is like, 100 other female voice actors just as good or better than her, right? If you are going to honestly shoot down a game immediately because a single voice actor isn’t in it then you have an issue.

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Targeter

FemShep or riot.

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Alex Willis

You certainly do seem annoyed.

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Jennifer Yaner

Says the guy that is throwing a hissy fit over Jennifer Hale not being in a game.

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Targeter

@JenYaner lol umad

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starbuck1771

She is busy doing Guardians of the galaxy, star wars : detours, and Powerpuff girls. Last game she did voice work for was For Honor.

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deekay_plus

she’s also, without naming names, complained about working for a certain studio that their process doesn’t allow her to flex her acting muscle. again without naming them.

which alot of people infer to be bioware because their games are her flattest performances by far.

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Arcanum Zero

It doesn’t seem like anyone is allowed to flex creative muscle at BioWare anymore.

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starbuck1771

The problem with that is by working for Disney she may as well be working for Bioware/EA after all it’s Star Wars. She should expect it after all she is paid to do a job. I think all this came from that SAG strike on certain studios.

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deekay_plus

well this was in an interview shortly after diablo 3 i think it was came out, so alot of her work at that point was for bioware where her recent performances were rather flat compared to hard to spot her iconic voice in diablo 3(there’s only a few lines in the game that give away it’s her in the lead role imo, and the first is like “wait is this ms hale?”).

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starbuck1771

Personally I am ready for a Fallout MMO if Bethesda & Zenimax would ever remove their heads from their butts. Fallout 4 took us one step closer with construct-able community’s now if they would just focus on multi-player features.

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Witches

Way back when, they didn’t have the rights to do an MMO in the Fallout universe, not sure if anything changed since then.

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BalsBigBrother

Yeah if one day Bethesda / Zenimax would do a Fallout equivalent of ESO I don’t think I would ever play another mmo or want to for that matter :-)

Was a bit disappointed with the Bethesda presentation if I am being honest, the Wolfenstien game looks like it might be a laugh but everything else was meh imo. Fallout 4 VR wasn’t something new and its looks weird to me with the floating gun play.

Anyhow the Bioware game in the article looks kind of cool but will wait to see more information before seeing if I want to play it.

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Arktouros

In VR the floaty gun isn’t really floaty, it’s in your actual hands so it doesn’t actually feel weird when you get into it. It feels more solid and actually there because you’re holding a controller and the controller is in the gun.

The lack of appendages is actually from early VR testing where actually being given a body is more disorienting than not having a body. I’ve had a few apps that arbitrarily gave me a body and it’s like, “Wait…that isn’t right…oh no…oh no…”

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BalsBigBrother

I will bow to your experience …. but yeah

I play Fallout 4 mostly in first person, which is a little weird given I have an ungodly amount of cosmetic clothing mods installed which I mostly won’t see unless I go third person but that is besides the point oh yeah the point, in first person you see arms and the guns etc feel like its attached to me as a player.

Looking at what was show it just looks to have no connection to me as a player and generally looks weird. Though I will concede that impression is without trying it in VR so it may work. However just looking at what was shown it doesn’t inspire confidence or desire to try at least for me personally. ymmv :-)

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camren_rooke

As I watched the cut scene where you get into you mechanical suit I was struck with claustrophobia and the realization I would never be able to stand being in such a device.

However, thats a darn nice trailer. Makes me wanna play, although as soon as EA preorder bonuses, microtransation-a-rama begin I will probably be turned off again.

But it did look like a fun time. Almost like being on Pandora in Avatar.

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Zander

I was struck with claustrophobia and the realization I would never be able to stand being in such a device

Never figured virtual claustrophobia could be a thing.

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camren_rooke

Yup. Phobias aren’t rational.

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Targeter

It does remind me a lot of what Destiny is (or maybe, what it tried to be?). Mix in a bit of Evolve, some Titanfall 2, and what we have here is not an RPG from Bioware. It’s ok, I’ll probably still get it since I’m a huge Bioware fanboy … but what excited me MORE was the original XBOX compatibility announcement. Could that mean the oft-rumored and long-delayed HD remake of KOTOR could be inbound? THIS AGENT HOPES SO.

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Sray

Destiny clone, but in third person? Yeah, I’m in.

And this is in spite of the fact that “BioWare storytelling” is, and always has been, way overrated.

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Jack Kerras

Preach.

Bioware’s stories have never been good, and their structure has been punishingly predictable since I was in school. No one ever tells hard fucking stories, and even when Bioware has tried I’ve never been emotionally affected by them. If you can manage not to feel a feeling at some point during the Bloody Baron, you probably need a doctor.

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Nick

OMG a conversation wheel! Either choices won’t really matter or you’ll want to ‘game it’ and pick the ‘best’ one.

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