Final Fantasy XIV’s Ayumi Namae explains why newer glamour outfits look more modern

    
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As time has moved forward, Final Fantasy XIV has produced a lot of new cosmetic outfits for players to dress up in… and they’ve gotten a lot more modern along the way. According to a recent interview on Polygon with designer Ayumi Namae, the reason for that is in no small part the mark of time and confidence in the title. Earlier cosmetic outfits had strict mandates from Square-Enix about looking more medieval in appearance and avoiding details that might seem modern or mass-produced, but as the title has brought in elements from games like Final Fantasy VII and Yo-Kai Watch, the directives have become more flexible.

Namae also explains that part of the rationale behind creating so many cosmetic outfits is simply because not every outfit will look good on every frame, with the larger shape of Roegadyn characters being particularly notable. Check out the full interview if you want to know more about the intricate challenges involved in bringing FFXIV’s real endgame challenge to life.

Source: Polygon

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Mikey's Bored

The thing about Final Fantasy is they’re rarely, if ever purely one setting. There’s always a hybrid of fantasy and science fiction or industrial elements to the games. I actually found the way it used to be, with very strict guidelines on outfits to be immersion breaking in the sense that it didn’t fully feel like a Final Fantasy where the characters in the world were so vastly different from one another. It’s not uncommon for one character to be in a Knight suit, and another in a tight jumpsuit, just look at FF9. There are ways to take these concepts and hybridize them as well, to make them fit the setting and I think FF14 does a pretty decent job of that.

Ultimately in an MMORPG, being able to customize your character both in their physical assets but also their outfitting is extremely important to many people, so the more variety, the better.

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hurbster

As someone who spends way too much time in front of the outfit station in ESO, the more choices the better !

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Fisty

I love costumes and generally do not like the more modern takes when playing the fantasy games. However, it’s Final Fantasy, which for a long while has been a bit of a steampunk and kooky genre of the fantasy and it absolutely works for this game. Was it Shroud of the Avatar that recently put in blatant Star Wars skins? That’s so dumb. I absolutely hate the trikes in WoW. I just think it depends on the game and what I am used to. I try not to be an extreme immersion snob.

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Random MMO fan

I love glamour in FFXIV and do not care if it is modern or medieval or whatever, the more of it in game and the more variety – the better it is. Can’t believe so many narrow-minded people complain about it. It is a video game set in an imaginary world, this is not a documentary movie based on historical event. This is also a “Massively Multiplayer Online RPG” game, a game where you are meant to socialize with people and any kind of attractive glamour helps to do that and helps to enhance all kind or RP, from RPing a person in medieval setting to RPing a YorHA androids and anything in between and having those choices is a good thing. If you do not like having a choice in video game set in an imaginary world – you are always free to not play it and let others enjoy having a choice and variety and do amusing things such as trying to come up with glamour to make their characters look like characters from popular anime or popular video games set in other universes.

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kajidourden

Except your example is perfectly fine, it’s stupid shit like this that is an eyesore

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What’s wrong with that? I would not wear it on my character because I prefer to make my character look differently but I find it amusing when other players wear this or Moogle suit or Chocobo suit and I am glad the game gives an option for people to do that. Even with this option, most people prefer not to wear those and you are free not to interact with few people who wear those.

If you prefer a game where you are not allowed to express humor through silly character outfits created specifically for this purpose – there are plenty of those available and you are always free to play those instead of this game.

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styopa

So because you have a need to preen in a Zoot Suit, other people must be COMPELLED to look at you, or they should just play another game?

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Ryan Allgood

I’m glad these options exist. I don’t really use them (okay I have one glamour set that involves pieces of the Valentione’s outfit which has a more modern look). But I’m glad others can use them.

ARR had the worst glamour options. Outside of the AF Job specific sets, and maybe some of the Allagan stuff from raids (which are decidedly Sci Fi looking) it was mostly boring and ugly and hideous. It was all “what sort of lumpy potato sack would you like to wear today?”

So it sounds like once they were able to stop tying themselves down with what “looks fantasy” enough, they were actually able to make cool armor sets.

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drelkag

The ‘strict mandates’ should have remained. The modern glamour you see in every dungeon completely destroys my immersion. Final Fantasy XI has a much more cohesive atmosphere because of the much more limited appearance options.

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Dankey Kang

They always start out with principles, but once they get a sniff of that sweet, sweet cash, principles go out the window.

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Bereman

Pretty much all of the more modern inspired items are available in the game without having to spend money in a cash shop, including the ones specifically mentioned in the article.

So…what was your point again?

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Tenthyr Adi

Oh well, I’m enjoying my nice outfit AND crushing dungeons with style.

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kajidourden

It’s also just the way Asian devs make cosmetics. I’ve never seen a single example of a game made in an Asian country that didn’t have ridiculously out of place mounts and outfits. I just sort of eyeroll when I load up a dungeon and my party members have over-sized frog heads and other dumb shit.

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Nathan Aldana

Its not ;like its only asian games. wow its pretty damned easy to put someone in a gimp suit.

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styopa

Personally, I’m one of the “it wrecks my immersion” to see someone running around in a fish suit.
I’d absolutely love it if we could control at client-side what we see – ie, if you inspect someone’s outfit and right-click “block this gear” it means anytime the game says you see “texture/model A” in that gearslot, it just gets replaced by “texture/model.default(race)” or just .default. (This would prevent people from hacking the client to show specific bright textures to make people easier to see at a distance or anything unbalancing.)
Then, after a couple of weeks, I’d see a world without steampunk spacemen, furries, and people in anachronistic gear TO MY TASTE without hurting anyone else’s game or experience.

EDIT: same thing for mounts, frankly.

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The whole point of having an in-game store which sells cosmetic outfits and cosmetic items is that people buy those to show those off to others. If others would have an option to block all cosmetic items – the people who buy those would not know if others can see them or not and this would give them less incentive to buy them. Same goes for creating characters of different fantasy or real life race or skin color or body features – if others would be able to replace them all with generic model then there would not be much incentive for players to customize their characters by selecting different race or skin color or different body features.

It’s much easier for people like you to just play another game where people cannot create a character with specific features or specific race or skin color or gender or cosmetic outfits which might offend you and let others play a game where they know everybody will see the way they want to be seen ;-)

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styopa

Hm…where to start?

“…to show those off to others…” – I think you’re projecting here. Not everyone in the world is desperately concerned what other people think of them.

“…people like you to just play another game where people cannot create a character with specific features or specific race or skin color or gender or cosmetic outfits…” First, let’s just say it’s a helluva stretch to say that someone who doesn’t want to see SPACESUITS in a medieval-flavor game somehow by implication doesn’t want to see a specific RACE or skin color or GENDER? WTF are you implying?

“…which might offend you and let others play a game where they know everybody will see the way they want to be seen…”
Again, “offend” is a powerful word. If you’re playing Ever, Jane – maybe you don’t want to see someone zoom by in a Ferrari. Is that ‘offended’, to you?
And you have an interesting worldview: that I, as a player by myself, MUST see your preening so that YOU can enjoy the game? So your play experience > everyone elses?
Why does my not wanting to play into your little dressup fantasy – which you have no idea I’d be doing, btw – harm you in the slightest?

That’s pretty f’d up.

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I think you’re projecting here. Not everyone in the world is desperately concerned what other people think of them.

I never said “everyone in the world”. This is your words which you are trying to use to falsely accuse me of saying this. Many people do care what other people think of them, though, including what clothing they wear, even in game, that is why they spend money on unnecessary cosmetic outfits.

First, let’s just say it’s a helluva stretch to say that someone who doesn’t want to see SPACESUITS in a medieval-flavor game somehow by implication doesn’t want to see a specific RACE or skin color or GENDER

That is the same thing – not liking how the other person appears to you. You may try to use whichever excuse you want, including worthless words like “lore” or “medieval flavor” setting, it doesn’t change the the actual reason.

I, as a player by myself, MUST see your preening so that YOU can enjoy the game

You don’t have to, you can always skip the game and play the one where the characters can only look the way you want them to look.

Why does my not wanting to play into your little dressup fantasy – which you have no idea I’d be doing, btw – harm you in the slightest?

I am very disappointed that I found yet another person who has severe reading comprehension and complete lack of common sense. And yes, it DOES hurt ME as well as every other player of a game which allows a variety of customizations.

Once again, A LOT of players buy cosmetic outfits, everything from medieval suits to silly costumes like Frog outfits meant for expression of humor, because they want to either make their character look attractive (the definition of attractiveness is subjective and what they find as “attractive” might not apply to you) in the eyes of OTHER PLAYERS or to elicit some reaction from OTHER PLAYERS if they wear it “for the LULz”. They do not do this because they themselves like to look at their character, people can use client-side mods for that which are FREE and which are invisible to other players. Same goes for character and race customizations where someone can make their character look like a wolf or a tiger or a bear with very little humanoid features – A LOT of people do this because this is how they want to be seen by other players. Once again, not all of them care but A LOT DO CARE.

If those people do not know whether the others will see their cosmetic outfit or their custom character because game will have an option to hide all of this for people who do not want to see it (like YOU want) – they will not have much incentive to customize their character and select a specific race (such as something which looks like a “furry” according to your own words) and especially to spend real life currency on cosmetic outfits. This DOES HURT ME because I enjoy seeing a variety of in-game races (there will be A LOT LESS of them if players will not know for sure whether others can see their race or not) and because the developer will receive less money from cosmetic purchases (once again, if players do not know whether others can see the cosmetic item they bought since the others will have an option to hide the cosmetic outfits someone wears from their view – they will have very little incentive to buy it, especially if it is a cosmetic item meant for humorous expression, such as spacesuit or Frog suit), the less money the developer receives – the less will be spent on improving every aspect of the game. This is why an option to hide any character customizations or cosmetic items of other players MUST NOT EXIST and this is why few people like you who prefer to only see characters which look in a very particular way should go play other game instead and let many other players enjoy the variety of outfits and customizations in a game which allows that.

And this is not only about the look of the player characters – a game which allows player characters to look silly or not adhering to “medieval flavor” also allows same liberty with quests and the story, where story characters might wear specific outfits for humorous purposes or where, for example, characters and enemies are taken straight from games like Nier: Automata and other games set in different time period and if you want to also replace all of that with “medieval flavor” in all of those quests or parts of story – this is yet another reason you should just play another game.

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ThePeon25

My biggest problem is that to me personally modern cloth and stuff does not belong in fantasy. I was no fan off Terra adding car mounts or the pubg cross over and stuff. To be it destroys the feel an ascetic of it all. I mean how the hell would it be if Suddenly Baldurs gate 3 your charters stumble on AK-47 and rpgs and hand grands and ran arund killing dragons and eyes of beholders with that.

Sure final fantasy has always had some modern aspects sense FF7 but it was created around that. FF14 has been fantasy from the start mostly with some steam punk tech ish.

The reason I play games like Elder scrolls and FF14 or Dungons and dragons it´s because to live a little while in a world that is not as shitty as our real life shitty world .

what will come next? Square will make a cross over even with pepsi or coca cola ?

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Bereman

FF14 has been fantasy from the start mostly with some steam punk tech ish.

From the start you’ve had medieval fantasy, gothic revival architecture, both cottage villages and industrial level tech (water wheel in Gridania, metal pumps in Thanalan), sailing ships, steampunk-esque flying ships, and even sci-fantasy level stuff with the tech the Garleans use, which often feature flying metal ships and pilotable or remotely controlled/automated mechs…

Which is, to say, that while it’s rooted in fantasy, it’s also not a fantasy style that exactly pegs it to a specific time period and has never been just “fantasy from the start mostly with some steam punk tech ish.” It’s always had stuff beyond those particular descriptors.

And most of the stuff, even the more modern outfits, have managed to fit in with FFXIV (unlike Tera’s much more overtly out of place additions)…so your worry that we’ll suddenly have modern brands show up is, in my opinion, wildly misplaced, at least in relation to this game.

Even the car mount looks like something the Garleans would develop, and that’s perhaps the most out of place thing we have…and it’s only its movement that makes it look weird in FFXIV (when flying it fits in just fine, movement included).

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ThePeon25

Reason I like Final fantasy 1-6 is becuse they are what they are fantasy knights,dragons magic and some steam punk thrown in.

Reason im not as much a fan of 7-8-10-15 they stoped being final fantasy and become more final modern fantasy.

What will FF16 be like your a bunch of mercenary’s with pistols and a-4, RPGs and hand grande and shall stop an evil dictator that wan´t to nuke the world.

to me final fantasy was my favorite fantasy with knights and dragons while Phantasy star was my go to Sci-fi fantasy.

And if they keep adding more and more modern stuff for FF14 it will soon end up like Teras out of place army camo and jeans and t-shirt and snow board outfits skater cloths Skate board mount and goth cloths and so all the cosmetic will look like things yo get from your stores like Urban outfitters or target or gap and so on.

Problem it stars somewhere then people like and want more and then it will be a gigantic mixed bag of knights in armors and healers in Jeans and t-shirt or and mages in Hello kitty dresses.

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Tenthyr Adi

What? the world of XIV has never been ‘classic’ fantasy. It’s a world on the cusp of multiple industrial revolutions and has a grasp of magic that makes their progress entirely unconnectable to real life.

It’s also kinda silly to limit ‘fantasy’ to the stuff you consider not modern. Most of what is added to the game, outside of crossovers, fits the world by merit of being a product of a world full of what we consider anachronistic things but aren’t because… That world evolved differently.

Literally, a few millenia back in XIV the world was dominated by an empire with technology much like the modern day information age. They built a damn moon.

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Nathan Aldana

also people rarely know what medival clothing looked like anyhow. They base it off fantasy movies instead of anything actual historical about the worlds garments or tech levels or racial and cultural makeups

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ThePeon25

Never said it need to be historical medevil but I don´t want to seam healers in jeans and t-shirt or Tanks in U.S army camo which may happen if people want more modern shit.

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Sorenthaz

And the universe of Final Fantasy in general, which FFXIV seems to serve as almost a multiverse hub (Omega being able to dip into the worlds of FF1, FF5, and FF6 to pull bosses directly from there, Lightning, Noctis, and Iroha from FFXI all getting pulled into Eorzea for a brief period…), has never really been strictly medieval.

14 basically takes elements and inspiration from everything, past and present. And imo the modern clothes do a good enough job of fitting in to where they don’t look that crazy.

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ThePeon25

Fantasy in my meaning can be anny thing from dragons demons and all that or full steam punk or full sci-fi or Persona´s modern twist reality with a hint of demons and magic.

Final fantasy XIV is not Persona and we don´t need modern cloths sure there are some hig tech stuff there even more high tech than was we have today but that means it´s a combination of medevil fantasy and sci-fi fantasy.

So why should they all suddenly dress like we do in year 2020 if you want cloth like that well go dress your self and you get that shit. You can put on your Addias or nike stuff and your band t-shirt and cammo pants or skater short´s.