EVE Online patch enables trillions of ISK in theft from inactive players

    
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When EVE Online introduced player-built citadels in the 2016 Citadel expansion, there were fears that people wouldn’t trust them enough to put their valuable assets into them. To keep people’s stuff safe, CCP added a mechanic called Asset Safety that magically whisks your items and ships away to a nearby station if the structure they’re in is destroyed. Thousands of players stored their stuff in citadels and thought nothing of it, until May 26th 2020 hit.

The recent Forsaken Fortress patch makes unpowered citadels eventually fall into a new Abandoned mode, which removes its reinforcement defense timers and disables asset safety, making it so all the ships and assets stored in the structure can drop as loot. Pirates have been scouring the map for abandoned citadels and destroying them, and a few of them have hit the absolute jackpot.

Loot from a Citadel, with a mega-rare alliance tournament ship

One corp hunting abandoned structures recovered a huge cache of extremely rare original tech 2 blueprints worth trillions of ISK, the equivalent of tens of thousands of US dollars using PLEX price equivalence. Another player recently looted an extremely limited edition Alliance Tournament ship worth over 100 billion to the right collector, and it looks like the owner only found out his assets were even at risk when someone posted the loot to an EVE Discord channel.

If you have assets in a station that is about to go into abandoned mode, you get a 48 hour warning to your in-game mail so you have time to evacuate everything. The problem is that thousands of inactive players have stored items in citadels all over the game on the understanding that Asset Safety would keep their items safe. Players logging in after a several-month hiatus may find that their most valuable possessions which they thought were safe have been stolen through no fault of their own.

Source: Reddit

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not_saanguine

My initial reaction is:
Hahahahahahahaha lol thinking stuff is safe in eve
My second reaction is:
Aw someone must have lost something shiny and feels bad about it
My final reaction is:
Grow up and deal with it, eve is not for feeling warm and fuzzy. There is no place in eve be it high sec, low sec, null sec, or wormholes where you are safe from being attacked and losing everything in your ship. Shortly after the game started they added conquerable stations so you could have some base of operations to work out of but there were not that many of them and you could get stuck outside if the people who owned it did not like you. Then they added towers so players could anchor it at a moon, and create a little base of operations, these could be destroyed and everything stored there looted but the number of moons limited how many towers were put up, as well as requiring fuel to remain operational and once they ran out of fuel the force field went down and anyone could shoot and loot. Go forward a bit and then players were able to build and put down their own stations but there was a limit of one per system so it kept the number of them down and again it was only in null where there were no stations already since sov was needed to put them down. Then came citadels and the ability to dock titans/supers and build an unlimited number of titans/supers in a single structure almost 3x faster than before (was limited to 2 per tower and took 3 months for a titan) then the ability to tether and shoot at people trying to attack you, at least with towers you can shoot the guns to disarm the structure. Then to top it off they added a damage cap so it was no longer a strike and get out type of operation it was sit there with a single dread or maybe two while they shoot you from inside their huge flying structure. Oh, and this structure does not need fuel to defend itself and you can place an infinite number of them in a system so long as they are separated by enough distance, for a cost of maybe 3-4 fully fit battleships.
Tl:dr
Im a dirty pirate, who thinks eve is too warm and fuzzy, and hopes ccp brings back blackout

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Bruno Brito

I’m sure you and the 22 other hamsters that play this must love this.

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not_saanguine

fweddit is populated by chickens not hamsters
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Sam Standen

I can’t think of a worse move for a company. Most games offer bonuses for players who come back after periods of inactivity to help them get back into the game and keep playing but this Dev has insured that when an old player logs in they’ll feel heartbroken or betrayed and just quit permanently.

I myself started player Warframe again recently on console after a five year gap. As far as I’d fallen behind I still had all my assets and the bonuses they gave me kept me motivated. If I’d signed in to find a huge debt or all of my stuff stolen then there is no way I would have continued.

This is literally the worst player retention scheme I’ve ever heard of. Still you can’t blame the players taking advantage of this. If one doesn’t then someone else will. No, blame the Dev’s who thought that this was a good idea to implement.

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Lloyd George

1. Its in the terms that CCP can change anything they want when they want
2. If you keep everything you own in a player structure when there are npc stations in system thats your poor planning
3. Anyone who just found out they just lost their stuff clearly has no interest in the game or did not think ahead
4. Wish I’d thought of going to the test server!!!

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Bruno Brito

1. Its in the terms that CCP can change anything they want when they want

Ok.

2. If you keep everything you own in a player structure when there are npc stations in system thats your poor planning

Irrelevant.

3. Anyone who just found out they just lost their stuff clearly has no interest in the game or did not think ahead

i’m sure you and the last 5 people playing this will love it.

4. Wish I’d thought of going to the test server!!!

It’s ok. Considering how many people will leave, i’m highly sure it’ll feel like it.

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Gabe Ghiby

Mate, you must be one of the raiders attacking defenseless structures…

it’s sad if you ask me that’s the lowest one can go for some loot it’s at the bottom of the food chain in the pecking order…

Why..??.. it’s easy to take down a structure when no one is shooting back at you and it’s also cowardly as more than likely if you’ll see 3-4 battleships approaching for defense you’re out of the system in a blink of an eye…

But that’s ok, leaches must survive as well don’t they??

You probably have a large bounty on your head that makes bounty hunters happy when they take you down… I’m one of them and I enjoy very much collecting over 20-30 mil in bounty from one kill only…

That being said don’t start with your lame excuse like “if you’re not active enough or your corp managing the structures is not active either then you deserve to lose it”…

If you want serious and even ruthless action look for some real rivals and adversaries that can shoot back at you in a serious organized war or PvP don’t just attack a dummy structure with no defense whatsoever… it’s pitiful…

People have lives mate serve overseas or get life events marriage divorce new city state country relocation illness hospitalization deaths in the family with or without the corona virus etc etc etc…

so understandingly enough people can’t be active in Eve for years and years just to protect structures from low life bottom feeders pirates with nothing else to do with their life if they have a life…

Hence no it’s not their fault for being inactive and as such for losing their assess…

Don’t open the can of worms…

p.s. I’m in Eve – on and off with long periods of absence to focus on life events – since way back in 2006 and to me Eve under new partial ownership of CCP gets worse with every year… From the Trigs invasion event to the latest policies and changes it’s all losing quality while chasing more revenue…

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Antikoa Assworth

Who and how did you decide they were lowlife bottom feeders? Who are you to even comment on “what someone should be doing” if you are not paying their subscription? Why does your sense of morality become the expected bar?

What is I am saying, your goldie-locks no risk style of game play suggests to me that you do not want to play eve. It is pitiful that you think people should play PVE even in PVP space….

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Antikoa Assworth

Got a bounty on my head, got a -1o sec standing, and have killed more crying high-sec “arm chair” tough than you got friends who resemble that title….

Fear me and my kind if you slip below high sec…..POS Carebear at best is all you are.

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Antikoa Assworth

Asset Safety did not give you anything for free; you paid to have your items returned. It was a steep isk fine, fee, or whatever you want to call the Asset Safety system. I would like to know how many things were forever frozen in in-active player’s Asset Safety hangers or were outside the wallets of re-subs. I would also like to know the number of people who would have quit, ranted, or would have lost it anyway to the real cost of the Asset Safety.

If nothing else, active players get the loots that, more than likely, would have never been seen “in-game”.

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Marcos Reichert

Just to make it clear is just my opinion as a non hardcore player anymore.
ok, I already liked EVE online very much, but the latest updates are simply shameful, what game does for example those who play sporadically lose everything to other players just because yes, after all they do not play hardcore then ccp decides to punish those who cannot or do not have the same desire to play years in a row. This discourages those who have achieved some good things and now just because they took a break you can lose everything if your corp is inactive. no game in the world can prevent a player from getting tired of it from time to time. the latest changes in the wars and now this is finally going after 10 years make me may be uninstall the game. p.s. yes i haven’t logged in the last 45 days and before that last august i didn’t log a single day either my corp is just me and a friend and most likely if at any point me ir vim lose something by inactivity i will certainly uninstall it.

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oldmmodude

i dont know its been sorta fun . gotten a bunch of structure kills while cleaning up space a bit . i mean if your not active and structure is not being maintained then its all you . nothing is safe in eve even your assets , put them in a npc corp hold or maintain your structures . you dont put up structures then disappear for months

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Gabe Ghiby

For CCP is simple…

They want us players Alpha and or Omega to keep losing assets from ships and modules and cargo to structures and more so we can in turn aim to replace those thus spending more isk that means also Plex that we all know means real money currency…

So if they CCP can’t instigate us against each other especially for the inactive players then voila…a new way to make players lose more assets…if not in PvP if not in wars if we’re inactive at least we should lose some assets somehow someway anyway…

There you have it… keep your stuff in a players owned structure and if it happens to enter the abandoned mode expect losses…

CCPs goal is for us all to spend more and more real money in some way shape or form…

Is it fair..??.. who cares for what’s fair in a lawless New Eden…

Don’t get me wrong I too disagree with this new policy not to mention I’ve lost four (4) structures in a war due to inactivity of over 80% of my corp-mates, so I also don’t like the new policy but I’m just saying how CCP looks at it…

Spend spend and spend again more isk more Plex more dollars or other real currency…

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Jo Watt

True but honestly speaking if I had billions or heaven forbid trillions in what was a secured place. Then decided to come back only to find it all gone through a patched system that only warns you inside the game itself…

Well easy to say I’d uninstall and never play again.

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EmberStar

Sounds exactly like EVE to me. Is it fair? No. Are a bunch of people going to get screwed through no real fault of their own (beyond playing the game in the first place?) Yes. Are a bunch of pirates and thieves going to run off with a ton of stuff they didn’t earn? Yes. So… yeah, sounds exactly like EVE.

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Matt Redding

What a jackass move.