E3 2015: Life is Feudal isn’t just another gankbox

I’m standing with my PR contact at the Life is Feudal booth when suddenly a guy with a thick Russian accent walks up to me, picks up a toy of a wooden bear at a computer, and starts to move it so the bear paws at the keyboard. “This is how we make games in Russia” he laughs.

This was my E3 2015 introduction to Vladimir Piskunov, CEO of Bitbox and friend to veterans of ShadowbaneDarkfall, and other PvP games (or at least, the guy inviting the veterans to Life is Feudal‘s alphas).

After being burned a bit by unfinished products, I had at one point decided to sit out Life is Feudal’s non-MMO release. I’m a grumpy old vet who remembers when alphas were super secret and bound by NDAs. Naturally, this led me to ask Piskunov about the open nature of LiF’s development and how he’s been taking some of the criticism. His response? “I kinda expected worse.”

Without a doubt, Piskunov knows he’s got a niche title. When I interrogated him about why he’d spend time building in something like permadeath, which is rarely enjoyed even among PvPers, his response was similarly laid back: “I’m not a fan of permadeath, but some people are, so we made that mode.”

That being said, there are no current plans for a permadeath server when Life is Feudal approaches its MMO release. The alpha for the more limited early release game (Life is Feudal: Your Own) kicked off last year; it was originally built back in 2011 as part of a tech demo. It has terraforming in a large, seamless world that takes about three hours to traverse, and it shares the same code, assets, and gameplay, so with any luck, we should see a beta test for the MMO version by March 2016, and the games should be nearly identical except for all the MMO bits. If the future MMO’s players wind up wanting permadeath, Piskunov says he’s open to a hardcore server, but players would really need to petition hard for one. Currently, his main focus is to fix things up in the current game so the MMO can be released with all its promised features.

Among the promised features is decay on tunnels and support beams, which doesn’t currently work. Terraforming of structures, hills, and other non-tunnels is currently already in the game, but the old tunnel system apparently wasn’t up to graphical standards and didn’t feel “smooth,” so Piskunov says it will be reworked. Maybe this wouldn’t be a huge deal for a singleplayer game, but in a multiplayer one, it’s something players could exploit, and that is something he’s not comfortable with. In fact, he became quite upset with another reporter who apparently got a story about exploiting in Life is Feudal wrong. Bitbox has worked very hard to keep out most serious hacks, like flying and speed hacking, though some, like moving through walls, are still possible.

At this point in the interview that, Piskunov revealed his PvP nature; he’s practical about what evil acts players are capable of, which is something I can’t say for the Sword Coast Legends devs I interviewed the day before, who expressed surprise about having an adversarial dungeon master. Piskunov’s focus on fair play, at least in terms of keeping hackers out, is also something players rarely tolerate but some developers seem to ignore. Even when I mentioned LiF’s formation system possibly needing to allow leaders to grant someone else the “center position” so a tank leader can lead from the front, he reminded me that leading from the front is a romanticized element of combat as well as a poor one since it means your army is risking its brightest tacticians. Reflecting on past PvP experiences where my group leaders died and couldn’t see what their troops were doing, I had to concede the point.

Our conversation shifted to community in a PvP MMO. Many gamers suspect that a certain contingent of PvPers consist of borderline psychopaths who can’t function in normal society. Even as a PvP player, I’ve had my own suspicions about my fellow players, especially in the survival genre, which LiF slightly resembles thanks to its hardcore settings. When you have a game with permadeath and characters that can stay in the game world “sleeping” when you log out, there’s a huge risk for griefing and a big temptation for hackers. And yet, on the ground floor at the LiF booth was Bill, the same superfan Massively OP’s Larry Everett met at PAX South, now at a trade-only event by invitation from Bitbox for his passion for the game, explaining it to people who are less versed in what LiF is all about and demonstrating in the flesh the kind of mature, community-minded player the game hopes to attract. Bill’s a teacher and PvP fan just as I am, so I can immediately relate to him.

Given the fact it’s a niche title with a small following, I was surprised at how many stories I heard about new players logging in for the first time, finding help, and sticking around. I’m told that there’s the usual streak of smacktalk, but there’s clearly also a community of people like Bill teaching less-skilled players how to keep surviving.

That doesn’t mean everything in the game is rosy. People often flip to a game’s Steam page to get an idea of how a title really plays, and when I checked LiF’s, I noticed complaints about the slow pace of the game, both in updates and content. While the development cycle just takes time, the content end seems to have a solution: Play with other people. Many of the complaints are about how it took a long time to build something, and while Piskunov confirms that playing the game solo is an option, it really is intended as a multiplayer game. “It’s about cooperation,” he says, and there’s no current plan to change this, especially since the game’s development is supposed to lead to the MMO.

Right now, though, the game still comes off to me as a survival game with medieval flare. The difference, according to Piskunov, is that LiF has a claim system that has more protection for owners as well as an alignment system, the latter of which is something I understand is a bit immersion-breaking but in the current survival genre seems like the easiest fix for preventing anonymity from allowing players to see others as nothing more than slightly more intelligent loot piñatas. Both of these design choices come from Piskunov’s own experiences in PvP, especially when it comes to the dreaded middle-of-the-night “player vs. building” experience in other games that have player territory and housing systems.

Again, the game’s not perfect. Piskunov says he’s building his dream game, and while that does mean LiF is a niche product, it’s one that being built by someone who’s experienced in the genre, not someone looking to cash in. Development is slow, and the mechanics may turn some people away, but if your own gameplay style is similar to Piskunov’s, you may want to at least keep an eye on LiF, either in its current state or future MMO release. If you do decide to pop into the game, though, remember, bring a friend.

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Morreion
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Morreion

“When you have a game with permadeath and characters that can stay in the
game world “sleeping” when you log out, there’s a huge risk for
griefing and a big temptation for hackers.”
Sandbox devs are unique, to say the least!

mukk
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mukk

Robert80 The all-too-common pithy 10-word responses have made me appreciate your kind of thoughtfulness.  Liking your reply just for its detail and depth.

Robert80
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Robert80

CistaCista Robert80 DPandaren  They do, but it’s rarer.  It is one of the requests the community made, along with more dynamic spawning for them.

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CistaCista  The alignment system is ‘You and God.’  Aka, the god of the world watches what you do, and makes judgment.  You can pray once every in game day to raise your alignment (max 1 point with max skill in religion.)
You actually start suffering penalties before you die if you go too low.  Also, when you do die, having a lower alignment means you lose more points in skills that you had worked on.  At default settings, it can take a good hour or two to recover from this on a single skill if you are a hardened criminal.  Combat skills, with group dueling, can be trained without the penalty to your alignment, but since health takes time or resources to regen (potions will be in game, but you have to sit around and grind for herbs, then make the potions out of them, which limits other craft tree choices fairly effectively as they are an end-tree item) it takes even longer to train up your combat (you can also hunt animals, but they tend to either fight back or run away… making it take longer again.  Well, at least, once they fix the water issues with aggressive animals.)
Also, there is a point of no return, where you are permanently capped at -40.  This is the permanent hardened criminal range.  You will always suffer penalties, and death will always hurt pretty heftily.  Avoiding this means avoiding criminal acts until you have enough alignment… which again takes 2 hours per point.  Given the rate of loss, you are looking at one murder and loot every few days at most.  As for avoiding it, alts are planned to cost $5 each.  Not a huge price, but at least you know the grief gamers who do play will likely be paying a ton for more development!

RagnarTheDrunk
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RagnarTheDrunk

Cool game, but the article is a little hard to read as there are quite a few run-on sentences. I’m not trying to be a jerk, just provide constructive criticism. Thanks!

LordOfBread
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LordOfBread

wow 8 hours more to go -33% on Steam Encore deals, I got it and it I´m loving it
20 bucks

CistaCista
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CistaCista

Robert80 DPandaren Do creatures / monsters not roam around? That’s too bad.

CistaCista
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CistaCista

En_grosse Heh, no community will vote permadeath in :)  I hope

CistaCista
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CistaCista

This game is going to be very awesome indeed.
There is an alignment system but no mention of factions, so I assume it is simply one general alignment system for each individual player, i.e. if you have killed 5 other players you will be at minus something and will be punished x hard when you die?

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Robert80
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ClassicCrime Robert80  Well, if it was just a big flat top, maybe…  I played around with GM controls once, before decay, and had 6 areas with different castle designs to consider.  Plenty of ground still around that had nothing on it, and I was running full keeps with courtyards, support buildings, and other areas inside the walls.

Robert80
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ClassicCrime Denngar  The MMO is supposed to be 10000 x 10000, instead of 3 x 3.  Now whether the island landmass is 3 x 3, or just the entire map, is not something I know… but that’s still over 3000x larger that the alpha map… so the MMO probably takes somewhere around 1100 hours to sprint across fully.  Which means there will be plenty of ground to set up places for tons of groups…

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Robert80 milosanx DPandaren I don’t grind anything in wurm, I just play it. If I get skill, which you get skill for doing just about everything, that’s great. I just find projects to do and do them. 

Don’t get me wrong, I think LiF is going in the right direction and is in a place where doing things doesn’t take people long to do things. Hopefully it will get people into the mindset that things are allowed to take a long time to do things, the journey is more important than the destination.

ClassicCrime
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ClassicCrime

Robert80 ClassicCrime yeah its a decent size either way, on a mountain i could see probably 5 major cities lol

ClassicCrime
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ClassicCrime

Denngar ClassicCrime “The alpha for the more limited early release game (Life is Feudal: Your Own)
kicked off last year; it was originally built back in 2011 as part of a
tech demo. It has terraforming in a large, seamless world that takes
about three hours to traverse, and it shares the same code, assets, and
gameplay” :)

Robert80
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Denngar Robert80  Nope, just another player.  I’ve had some suggestions floating around, and done some of the voting on site.

Robert80
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Denngar Robert80 En_grosse  Yeah, I think that having some benefit from your playtime that is carried on is about the only way to do permadeath… and not have it be a very tiny niche game.

Denngar
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Denngar

Robert80 En_grosse Live the idea of inheritance of some stats. I think Wizardry Online did that too (along with a very small closet of stuff to pass on)

Denngar
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Denngar

Robert80 OMG, is this the super fan Bob from the article!?

Denngar
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Denngar

ClassicCrime 3 hours is for the MMO in its current stage, seeing as that paragraph’s talking about the MMO’s progress.

Robert80
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milosanx Robert80 DPandaren  Yeah, the prefab style construction is one of the more annoying things.  Still, it does a lot of things right… and skill gain is tuned decently slow if you play on the default launch settings.  *Yeah, nobody is going to make a wurm 2, probably for at least another 10 years… if then.  Most people don’t really go for that level of grind.*

Robert80
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ClassicCrime  Yeah, 3 hours is overstating it.  It does take about 20 minutes at full sprint, maybe 30 if you are going across one of the longest portions… but even then the starter island that is LiF:YO’s map is big enough to host several large villages.

ClassicCrime
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ClassicCrime

mmm, 3 hours to cross your own’s map? it took me 15-20 minutes of sprinting

milosanx
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milosanx

Robert80 DPandaren Yes it wants to be wurm 2, for the pretty people. I say good luck to it, but it’s way off, many years orth of development to even touch wurm. Skill gain is way to fast, prefab houses? eww. I do recall that the dev used to even play wurm.
But no….it’s not wurm 2. Nobody has the balls to make a wurm 2, so i’ll just stick to wurm 1.

Robert80
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DPandaren  Yeah, in this case the cooking is more friendly, and the things that want to eat you are out in some other neck of the woods unless you built your campfire among the wolves and bears.

DPandaren
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DPandaren

This game is pretty much Wurm Online 2. All that’s missing is spending hours trying to figure out how to make a casserole while huddled with your friends by a fire as scurry monsters attempt to gank each and every one of you when you’re not looking.

Robert80
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NobleNerd  Yeah, the required co-op in this game is big.  Even digging a small tunnel takes hours on launch settings.

Robert80
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En_grosse  Well, petition for the permadeath server.  I’d gladly sign one, noting that people with a dead character should be allowed to roll a new one for free on said server… even though I’d likely play elsewhere most of the time.  *Giving some ‘inheritance’ for skills and items would be another great idea, and would make it far less likely most people would avoid it.*

Robert80
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People say the development is slow… but they release content at least every single month.  In fact, this month already saw two patches.  Compare that to many studios, and the pace is actually pretty darn quick.  (They have a smaller team, but do put out a decent amount of stuff.)
As to the entire ‘It takes forever to build this!’ complaints:  Yeah, because the game is about social cooperation on larger projects.  You can easily set up as a craftsperson for a given thing (excepting the tailor line, because animals take a pretty solid week to work at launch paces,) even without the advanced rates of learning and ease of operations the current alpha servers allow in a few days.  That includes a simple house on a personal claim, with buildings for your craft.  The beauty of the game is that the crafting in late game, and the large projects, take a solid group of contributors.
If that’s not what you want… plenty of options exist for dealing with that, from GM insta-build powers, to special piles of infinite materials, to other gm powers that allow you to alter just about anything about a character.  So set yourself up on a personal server (you can run one just on your own computer while playing) and have fun doing what parts you want to do.  XD
Finally, on the PvP anti-grief side, not only do claims protect all your stuff (current mechanics will change for the MMO, but you will have protections against overnight looters from that,) but the alignment system actually includes penalties to hardened criminals.  So if somebody keeps murdering people, they will shortly be very weak in combat.  Alignment is limited to 1 point every ~2 hours… the standard day/night cycle.    Knocking somebody out costs a few points.  Even attacking a non-resistant person costs a point each swing.  Killing them costs ~10.  Looting their stuff, in either case, costs another 10.  At -40, you are permanently locked at -40 max.  At -30, you start seeing penalties in combat.  Thus you can easily see that it takes a day to recover just from knocking one person out and looting their stuff… and a small clan of bandits can only be active so long each day in order not to become truly wanted.  *Trespassing, if caught, also yields a -1.*  Additionally, trespassing and criminal flags give the added effect of making a person have no alignment penalty to attack… so if somebody is griefing you running around your claim in their undies and shouting odd messages that annoy you, you just note their trespass and get rid of them.
This is another of those teams that is constantly interacting with fans and forum users, works hard, and is trying to make something new and fun to play without all the same tired clichés of modern MMOs.  Which is why they have a fairly constant stream of new players loving the game.  *Of note, online servers can leave you in the standard litterbox gank fest gameplay of the past, or can work nicely… look carefully at options when considering them.*

NobleNerd
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NobleNerd

I have bought and play in the current version of the game. I find much of the ideas to be refreshing and look forward to improvements and eventually the MMO….. but definitely bring friends or make friends fast. This game does not reward the solo players.

En_grosse
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En_grosse

Without a doubt, Piskunov knows he’s got a niche title. When I
interrogated him about why he’d spend time building in something like
permadeath, which is rarely enjoyed even among PvPers, his response was
similarly laid back: “I’m not a fan of permadeath, but some people are,
so we made that mode.”
I love this guy so much!
Permadeath is the BEST system a MMORPG can have!
Awesomesauce!

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