EVE Online political betrayal results in record-breaking theft

The EVE Online twitterverse exploded late last night with the news of a political twist so enormous that it’s become the largest recorded theft of in-game assets in the game’s history. In the middle of the night and without warning, major EVE military alliance Circle of Two (or CO2 for short) was betrayed by its diplomatic officer, a player with the ominous name of The Judge. In addition to cleaning out the alliance war funds and assets to the tune of over a trillion ISK, The Judge also transferred ownership of CO2’s 300 billion ISK keepstar citadel in its capital star system of 68FT-6 to a holding corporation, effectively stealing the alliance’s home space station.

News of The Judge’s betrayal trickled out of EVE all through the night, and it wasn’t long before the full extent of the incident was known. The 68FT-6 keepstar was sold to enemy alliance Goonswarm Federation, while CO2’s smaller citadels throughout Impass are now in the hands of TEST Alliance. The theft combined with the value of the citadels is estimated at over 1.5 trillion ISK, easily beating the 2011 trillion ISK Phaser Inc scam to become the highest-value theft in EVE‘s history. The actual damage done is even more extensive, injecting a huge dose of chaos into CO2 alliance and throwing fuel on the fire of the southern war.

Read on for a detailed breakdown of last night’s record-breaking theft, the reasons behind the betrayal, and the political situation that led us here.

A tale of two villains

In an open letter to Circle of Two on Reddit last night, The Judge attempted to justify his betrayal to the EVE community. He claimed that his counterpart gigX had grown to hate the development direction CCP was taking EVE in, and thinks that “gigX needs to let CO2 die and move on with his life.” He also admitted that the theft was partly done because he’d put so much into CO2 over the years and wanted “to leave with something to show for it.”

The Judge claims that he plans to use his ill-gotten gains to now help CO2 line members directly harmed by his theft, but that will be of little comfort to the thousands of players who have logged in to find their home stations in the hands of the enemy.

On the other side of the incident, gigX himself went into something of a rage when he logged in to find the theft had taken place. He was permanently banned today for trying to find The Judge’s real life home address and threatening to seriously harm him in real life. Before being banned, gigX removed the Balkan Mafia corp that both he and The Judge were members of from the CO2 alliance. This was probably a response to The Judge streaming the alliance chat live to twitch, but some of the threats made against him had already been seen by hundreds of players and reported to CCP.

The politics of theft

This betrayal came as a surprise to most of EVE, but it may actually have had its roots in the massive World War Bee conflict we reported on last year. Circle of Two severed ties with The Imperium quite early in the war with accusations that ally Goonswarm Federation was just using CO2 as a meatshield. The Judge claims that several key leadership members left after the war and others went inactive, but also admits that he himself has been spending more time on CSM duties lately.

It’s quite messy then that this theft was reportedly planned with assistance from Goonswarm. Goonswarm has now joined forces with TEST Alliance, who severed diplomatic ties with CO2 last month, to take advantage of the situation. The group has set up a hell camp with warp disruption bubbles around the 68FT-6 keepstar and is killing any members of CO2 who undock.

While stories of political intrigue are a big part of what makes EVE special, many nullsec players are actually furious with this situation. The war in the south was shaping up to be some great PvP content and a real conclusive test of citadel warfare in the absence of serious metagaming, and the fight over the 68FT-6 keepstar could have been amazing.

What does this mean for CO2?

Circle of Two is still currently one of the largest military alliances in the game, with just under 4,000 members and sizeable territory in the Impass region in the south of EVE. Membership dropped a little this morning when several corporations left following the theft and could fall further as individual corporations react. This betrayal could be either the start of a death spiral for the alliance or the rallying cry that gets the remaining line members to pull together, but it certainly spells disaster for the alliance’s immediate war ambitions.

It now seems certain that CO2 will lose its territory in Impass and Catch and will have to rebuild even if it survives as an alliance. Not only is the alliance’s war fund gone, but alliance members’ own assets are now locked down in stations they can’t access any more. Their choices are to conduct a firesale of their assets to the station’s new owners or manually activate the citadel’s Asset Safety system to automatically evacuate their stuff.

Asset safety would deliver everything to the nearest station in low-security space risk-free, but it takes five days to complete and costs 15% of the value of the assets being transported. That’s a hell of a financial hit for those in CO2 who have been using the citadel as their main home in EVE, and those with assets in legacy outposts don’t even have an asset safety system to fall back on.

For more information, be sure to check out Jin’taan’s expert analysis of the incident, which includes details of how it affects the ongoing war in the south of EVE and interviews with both The Judge and CO2 fleet commander Beppe:

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douglas Carroll

This is the reason why will never play EVE. Way too many ways to screw people over blowing up 10’s if not hundreds of thousands of hours of cumulative play.

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Jacobin GW

How is this a tale of politics and intrigue? A guy with bank permissions stole from his guild and skerwed over his fellow members who spent many hours farming. Hardly unique to eve and is just a d move, not something to be proud of.

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Castagere Shaikura

Its strange how every scam that happens in this game gets posted on every game site. Its like they are celebrating players getting screwed over. All it is is free publicity for the game. Gaming culture really is screwed up,

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Valen Sinclair

I love the backstabbing drama surrounding this game. Every time I’ve tried it (4 now) I’ve either fallen asleep, gotten hopelessly lost in a menu until I alt-F4’d or been chain ganked. Hate the game, love the drama.

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April-Rain

Brilliant, but I prefer to read about the Goons getting stuffed.

Andrew Groen’s Empires of EVE book is amazing by the way and well worth a read!

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Reginald Atkins

I could never play this game, but it’s seriously fun to read about… hope someone is doing a book on all this amazing player-generated intrigue.

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Kevin McCaughey

I would love to be playing EvE, but it just is so much of a full-time job. It took over my life and I had to walk away.

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Kala Mona

I know that feel bro. I realized I need to stop this when I had to wake up at dawn to defend some kind of an invasion and I fell asleep on the keyboard.

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netsky999

I hope one day playing an mmo could be worthy as a regular job for the user, not just the company

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Roger Melly

I don’t play EVE but can I ask is there a way for ISK to have a real life money value ?

This is an interesting one because it brings up the theft of virtual goods . At present as far as I can tell after a quick search on google it seems this is a bit of a legal grey area but that could change soon .

Some people would argue this is just part of EVE’s gameplay but I would disagree with that because it is not like fighting a player in pvp and losing whatever you are carrying to him or her . That is part of the game’s mechanics this is not .

Obviously not every theft could prosecuted but especially in cases where virtual goods = real life money then legally speaking it could be argued that a crime has been committed and a prosecution be made .

In 2009 Dutch judges convicted several minors for theft of virtual items in the virtual worlds of online multiplayer computer games. From a legal point of view these convictions gave rise to the question whether virtual items should count as “objects” that can be “stolen” under criminal law.

Personally I would love to see this player “the Judge” actually have to face a real judge sometime in the near future for his actions but I doubt that will happen but you can be sure it will happen to many like him in the near future as the theft of virtual good becomes enshrined in law as a criminal act in many countries . ( after all it has already happened in the Netherlands )

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possum440 .

Don’t believe it for one second. Just more pre-planned BS by a couple folks that were tired of the game and left.

The hissy fit, all planned out, the guy was leaving, he doesn’t care about a ban, his accomplice, the judge, same thing. Just more eve propaganda to try and make the game sound better than it is. This was all planned hype. Simply typical.

No sale. The simple explanations are the most reliable.

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nobleeinherjar

My initial reaction to this was, “Wow, what kind of sociopath does it take to do this to people they call friends?”

But after reading The Judge’s message and doing a little research into the matter, I can’t say I entirely blame him. I’m not going to say who is right and who is wrong, but this was a good reminder for me that most things don’t exist in a vacuum.

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Cosmos King

Well, EVE may be a game and a hobby, but that’s no reason to expect every single person who plays to behave rationally. Haven’t you ever seen footage of a brawl at a hockey or soccer game?

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netsky999

“soccer” is what gringos call to actual football
american football is just an unpopular mod
Still i hate both kinds

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kgptzac

The only “issue” I’m not sure about is a current CSM pulling this thing. If people are sane then he won’t get re-elected, but now his real life identity is tied to the theft, and I hope it’s worth it for him.

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styopa

Here’s the thing: if you’re playing any game – be it online, or football, golf, shuffleboard – and the results of that game – PARTICULARLY something that’s not even (really, in context) cheating or hacking – make you want to PHYSICALLY HARM SOMEONE IRL…then seriously, step away, take a breath, and find another hobby.

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Bobuliss

GigX was operating on about an hour’s sleep and had just found out someone he trusted totally had betrayed him and ruined months of hard work. Anyone who says that they haven’t made similar outbursts under similar circumstances is either lying or should be canonized as soon as the Vatican can get their paperwork together.

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styopa

I can honestly say I’ve had massive projects with hundreds of hours of work massively screwed up by someone, and I’ve never really even contemplated cutting someone’s hands off, much less actually threatened to do so.
That’s just stupid, juvenile, testosterone-fueled rage talking, and ultimately the humor is that people for whom that’s their go-to when angry ultimately tend to cross the wrong dude and get beatdown for it. (shrug)

Other people are grownups.

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Melissa McDonald

Stating it publicly is one thing. Thinking it? Child, please. I idly imagine popping a cap in 10 azzes a day with my Glock. But I don’t, because I’m not insane.

I’d wager we all think stuff like that, though.

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zeko_rena

I dream about ramming idiot bad drivers off the road to and from work everyday :)

Mad Max style wooooooo

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Robert Mann

I’ve stated that I need a missile system installed in my vehicle to remove the ‘road hazards’ but I’d never actually kill somebody over driving. Want them off the road, aye! Shoot their car with a missile, nay.

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styopa

Honestly, no “we” all don’t think that way?

I’m going to guess one’s ‘comfort level’ with casually imagining such violence to others is in some sense inversely related to one’s exposure to actual violence (say, serving in wartime, police, etc.).

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Leontes

Actually, I’d be more careful with people forbidding themselves such fantasies. Hate to take some colors out of your rainbows*, but anger and aggression (reading up on the word’s origins is worth it, trust me ;) ) are deeply rooted in – yes! – all of us. Getting acquainted and on a ‘comfort level’ with your feelings is pretty much the opposite of mental instability.

Of course you might be right that people exposed to extreme levels of violence might be less inclined to such “casual musings”, on the other hand (dark) humor is a high-functioning form of coping…

*) sorry for the assumption, don’t take this too serious ;)

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Armsbend

It’s just a meaningless knee-jerk reaction. If faced with a machete, The Judge tied to a chair and immunity then his hand’s would stay attached.

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Fisty

This is wonderful. It’s sad they can’t accept the game for what it is. Most hardcore EVE players can’t handle the brutal aspects of the game. They get butthurt and want to find you in real life.

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Krenian Kandos

My gods….this is like..next level political savagery. o.O

It’s so astounding to see, from a sociological point, a game that has manifested itself into its own entity like Eve has. I had the pleasure of playing for a month and never found it to be my cup of tea, but that’s mostly because I wasn’t keen on the whole way the game was built. But the stories.

These stories that happen in here.

Just..gold. And absolutely amazing to see it happen. It’s like…Gamer Soap Opera.

Fascinating. Don’t ever change, Eve. This is great to read. (Not great to those impacted due to the coup but still, taking it from a third person view, it’s crazy stuff.)

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Melissa McDonald

real politicians get away with a lot more!

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netsky999

So true
Corruption its the main problem of countries worldwide
Thats another reason to support videogames, a good escape from political enviroment in the world (trump, PPK in my country)
Its hurt when corruption suddenly appears in videogames (ingame perspective

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Robert Mann

Real politicians also write the rules… which isn’t quite true in EvE

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Armsbend

What is the 6-7 year inflation rate in Eve? Likely more than 50%.

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David Kelman

Looking at historical data, a 30-day PLEX back in August of 2011 cost just under 400M isk. The equivalent now, 500 PLEX, is 1.5B isk. Roughly 300% inflation over those six years. Not even close to beating the value of the 1T isk stolen back in 2011.

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Armsbend

Thanks fellows. I thought using the phrase “easily beaten” wasn’t entirely true. No offense meant Brendan. Econ major here not including inflation always bugged me when people touted sales records :P

No movie will probably ever beat Gone With The Wind in box office.

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Alex Willis

EVE has a long, long memory — and people have ways of finding your alts. There’s no way The Judge comes out of this unscathed, in-game.

Having been an Alliance Diplo for several years, I can attest to the level of trust that is invested in such a role. Every EVE player who holds a role of any significance thinks about initiating this kind of betrayal — if you think that 10 billion ISK is a lot of money for personal use, and you have access to 100 times that with the click of a few buttons…wouldn’t you be tempted?

The Judge’s justifications/rationalizations are pretty bullshit. He did it because he wanted to. Not because it was justified. I was never a fan of CO2 when I was playing (though they weren’t the main troublemakers in our region — that was Pandemic Legion), but Beppe is right: this will probably hurt CO2 line members the most.

Some people will see this as a triumph of metagaming over content gaming, but I don’t read it that way. Everything in-game in EVE is content. It’s pure performance art. We’re lucky to have it.

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Denice J. Cook

The Judge’s explanation was an excuse, not a reason. ;)

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styopa

Nicely put. That’s a good post.

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Alex Willis

Pretty funny quote from The Judge’s Reddit thread (most of which is furious with him):

“I mean, sure, I shot you, but I wanted the bullet to merely pass through your body and end up in gigx.”

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Yangers

If only actually playing the game was as fun as these stories.

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Sally Bowls

And this is why CCP is looking for their H1Z1. Whether you think the game play in EVE or any MMO is great or horrible is personal taste. What is more fact than opinion is that you are not going to grow a mainstream game with this. And as Raph says, you can’t fundamentally change a launched MMO.

CCP could just say that EVE is a stable cash cow and sell it off to – or become – DBG. But they are aggressive; spending tens of millions of dollars on anything-but-EVE; looking for their H1Z1. All the money spent on World of Darkness, Walking in Stations, DUST, Project Legion, and a slew of VR title – IDK of other devs that are supporting so many VR platforms across mobile, console, PC games.

I wish it made more financial sense for them and other companies to invest in their MMOs.

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Ket Viliano

They should make a new MMO based in the EVE universe. Do avatars, and roleplay, and intrigue, and just ditch on spaceships.

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Driftwood

My question would be WHY DONT YOU ACTUALLY SHOW THE FULL FIRST PICTURE THAT HAS A GIANT PENIS UNDER THE KEEPSTAR? this shows the true maturity level of players

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zeko_rena

Imagine if we judged all of the WoW playerbase off of Trade Chat

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Melissa McDonald

better question is, why would we want to see that?

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Fisty

Because it shows the level of maturity and is a bit funny.

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kgptzac

It would not be entirely tasteful for massivelyop, though.

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netsky999

News like this kill a little on my taste to this game
I really hope inside my corp/alliance/coalition never happens this and affects me
Otherwise this game will become the new Archeage for me
Of course the RL threat is serious, but we must not forget that this kind of ingame behaviour gives the whole game a bad reputation, which leads to less new people even trying

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Bobuliss

CO2 member here. Judge claiming the moral high ground here is laughable. He lost that definitively when he started broadcasting our alliance chat on Twitch so the whole of EVE could laugh at our downfall. It’s going to cost billions to get all of our stuff out of asset safety, which takes 20 days, btw, not 5. So an entire alliance is going to be sitting on their hands for three weeks with no assets. One idiot ended a huge content generating war for a handful of dirty isk and 15 minutes of EVE-fame. And no one is ever going to trust him with anything ever again. I bet he quits the game within a year from sheer boredom. Anyway, CO2 is not dead. We’ll rebuild, potentially under a new leader, potentially not. Permabans have been reduced in the past, and it may happen again.

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zeko_rena

So he has in fact crippled an entire EVE alliance for three weeks, now I am even more impressed.

It reminds me of that quote from Batman

“…some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn”

With that being said I wish you and CO2 all the best with rebuilding and recovering, I don’t know any of the details of either of the alliances involved to be honest so have no opinions :)

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There’s nothing really impressive about selling out your friends. And the Batman quote’s not really applicable. Part of the quote is, “some men can’t be bought…” The Judge was bought. For around 300 billion isk plus all the isk he could grab.

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zeko_rena

True true, but then do we know if the money was the actual motivation for his actions, maybe he will do what the Joker did, put it all in a big pile and burn it haha

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kgptzac

You laugh at the guy claiming moral high ground but try to do the same with very little supporting fluffs of your own. I wouldn’t call him an idiot because he seem to have achieved what he wanted. This is Eve, after all, and what happened here is well within expectation.

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Bobuliss

He’s an idiot because what he wanted and got away with is such a shallow victory compared with what he gave up in the process.

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kgptzac

Sounds like you got a backdoor to his brain and thought process. We all get bored with games, and in many cases, group of people. Are you sure you aren’t inflating your self and your own values and putting your grey matters into someone else’s brain?

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Leontes

A backdoor to someones (presumably empty) braincase to expand the limits of my own processing capabilities? Fascinating…

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Lol

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cista2bpo

Allow me to repeat that, although it is correct to say this is the biggest theft in terms of amount of ISK *at the time of the theft*, it is however not the most valuable loot ever stolen. Depends on the time perspective.

The Megathron Federate Issue that was stolen around 10 years ago, although not valued so high back then, today has a value of probably 4-5 Trillion ISK. How do I know this? Well the Megathron was a one-of-its-kind, while (according to Zahara Cody) a Raven State Issue – which exist in 4 copies – has been sold for 2.3 Trillion ISK.

And that is as high as it gets in EVE. There is currently one other unique ship in the game, Apocalypse Imperial Issue (last of 4 original), while the Opux Yacht exists in two specimens. Somehow I think the yacht would be even more valuable than any other, because it is a wholly unique ship type, and not just an upgrade. But we will never know, because the accounts that hold the yacths are pretty much out of reach as far as I know.
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Opux_Luxury_Yacht

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Oleg Chebeneev

Writing LOL to add salt to the wound is so goon-like.

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netsky999

Grr Goons
I heard that Mittani forces manage to turn the judge to their side in the eve fest

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Oleg Chebeneev

Does MIttani still playing EVE? I made interview with him during Goons war against Red Alliance

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Aelzen

It’s official, CO2 is moving to lowsec right now. Ping’s gone out and system has been chosen.

TJ’s claim of not wanting to hurt line-members is bullshit, by the way. If that had been his intent, he would have given the citadel to TEST instead of Goons. Any claim of benevolence that comes out of him is just lies, trying to put some spin on what he did so he looks like less of a jerk.

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mrellis72

To be fair, everyone involved was awful. Also, if you pan down, there is a giant bubble penis.

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Estranged

Is there some way to dethrone a leader in EVE, versus what happened?

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Sally Bowls

In theory, corporations have shareholders who elect leaders. In practice, I think the basics of trust no one means the shares are safely locked up.

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John Mclain

Wait so the leader of the alliance promoted a member to a position of diplomat of a major alliance WITHOUT knowing his real address and name ahead of time? Thats basics 101 of eve alliances, by knowing that stuff BEFORE you give other people power you reduce the likelihood of betrayals by like 95%. Because they know there is a very real likelihood of someone showing up at their front door in the dead of night should they do it. Everyone is a position of power in all the major alliances (and even many solo corps) I’ve been in we all know where they live, their names, and what they look like. (It’s required and verified.) We have had zero thefts as a result over the course of the past decade.

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kgptzac

I know it’s a running joke, but still gotta say: some people take Eve way too seriously.

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Wolfyseyes

If offering my personal details is a requirement of ANY MMO group I join in with, then that MMO group, that MMO, and everything even associated with it peripherally can go eff off in the strongest possible manner.

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FreecczLaw

“There is a very real likelihood of someone showing up at their front door in the dead of night”? This is the deterrant leaders in EVE use to make sure they don’t get tricked? What the hell is wrong with people?

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Sally Bowls

YMMV, but I can’t see giving people in any MMO my personal details. But Lordy especially EVE. For me, the very, very, very minor benefit of being able to play this MMO over another is not worth the privacy/fraud/phish risk of handing out personal info to people in not-just-EVE MMOs without even taking into account things like these EVE-specific amputation threats.

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birini

Yeah, this whole mess has convinced me beyond the shadow of a doubt this game will never make it on my computer.

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the_guilty_party

Having been away from Eve for years and years now, this sort of thing just comes across as sad. Even if you buy into the out-of-game political machinations aspect of Eve in general, there’s barely any of that here. It’s just people being jerks and making life a little worse for other players.

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Melissa McDonald

Can’t beat this game for drama. I’m just worried someone will actually be harmed in real life over what happened in the game. It seems more and more likely.

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PurpleCopper

This is hilarious and also very disappointing.

No big war, no nadda. So anti-climactic.

And holy shit is that letter self-righteous. Who is this guy trying to fool?

Guy can’t even admit that he did it for his own selfish reasons.

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zeko_rena

Haha awesome, reminds me why I love EVE, glad I am always in high sec though :)

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Utakata

Setting aside your assertion for a moment, there’s a few who play EVE that fit that description, yes. This article seems to cover at least two. However, if this leaves the impression that the game is full of a high degree of wanton toxicity meted out in a spectacular fashion on regular basis, it’s up to the rest of community to speak up against it. When they instead claim this is all part of the fun, then they’ll have to learn to live with this is the impression they give everyone else. /shrug

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Utakata

Not sure why the OP was moderated. Sure it was a pretty blanketed strawman of poor assumptions about the readers here, but I didn’t consider it offensive. Just silly. Unless making silly claims is also in now a violation to MoP standards…to which I have to be careful here. :(

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Bobuliss

Calling EVE players sociopaths is acceptable. Calling people out for calling a group of people sociopaths isn’t. Haven’t you heard?

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Utakata

Now this is an example of what would be offensive. That is, accusing staff of being “selective” (not rue) with their moderation (without evidence), and implying they are hypercritical (tu quoque) and down right mean (ad hominem). You know, this is the stuff that will likely get you shown the door on other reasonable blogs. Just saying.

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Baemir

He isn’t wrong. Mods never deleted the comments that made quite nasty sweeping generalizations about EVE players.

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Utakata

Which comments are these? Or are we playing some sort of moral equivalence game over the butt hurt? o.O

Edit/PS: You do realize you can flag stuff you find offensive in that way.

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Baemir

I’m not talking about this comment section in particular.

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Utakata

….

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John Mclain

Hey now, I’ve played eve for a decade+ and I love kittens, I am a high functioning sociopath however. But we can still love kittens. :P

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Jake Kinkaid

CCP is going to have to get involved in this or they will lose a LOT of player accounts.. Way too many people’s accounts now locked into that citadel and many of those players probably no longer have the resources to move them… If I had an account in there and there was no way to get my stuff out, I would quit the game entirely.

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netsky999

The people that defend the “freedom” of this game never recognize that all players have commited even a part of him/herself to the game
This thief could have ecchoes in RL too

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BDJ

Thats the nature of the game. Let them quit. Crying about it makes them bitches. Its like PvE kids crying because they are getting ganked on PvP servers. Uh bro, you rolled there. Dont cry.

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Sally Bowls

Well whether the bitches cry like little girls or are stoic, silent Real Macho Men won’t be of interest to many adults. The salient question is how many $180 per annum will CCP lose? 100? 1000? 2000? Will it be enough so there is one fewer (or, as the PvPers would say, one less) developer? two? Some people will read this and want to play a game where you can significantly harm thousand of their fellow human beings. Others, who are contemplating working hard towards goals that could be undone by something like this, may just decide to play Destiny or Overwatch instead.

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BDJ – well, the company sorta has to protect itself.

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Schmidt.Capela

Very much.

CCP will be watching things closely, because the fallout of this will be huge one way or another. And if they believe not stepping in will result in a bigger harm to their bottom line than somehow taking the reins of the situation, they will likely step in.

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TheDonDude

I’m so glad I’m reading this and not playing it.

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Ket Viliano

The youtube vid from Jin’talks is fairly informative, he interviews The Judge and a CO2 fleet commander.

The Judge is really rather selfish and a fool, I am not at happy with him being a CSM.

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Robert Mann

Popularity… is no worthy measure of quality!

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silverlock

If he had a beef with this gigx guy that’s all well and good but he screwed over everyone who followed and trusted him as well and no excuse will cover that up. Oh well narcissists will be narcissists I guess.

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Sally Bowls

Well, it could be narcissism. But I am cynical enough that when someone steals ten or twenty thousand dollars worth of stuff, my mind first jumps to thinking the reason was the ten or twenty thousand dollars worth of stuff instead of narcissism or being bullied as a child or whatever sob story is presented by the thief.

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Ken from Chicago

First! ;-)

Oh, and PVP? EEEWWW! Kill it! Kill it with fire! PVE, please.

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