EVE Online players beg CCP to address botters after gamer takes down eight botter ships

Is there a quota for how many sci-fi spaceship MMOs with playerbases angry over exploits we can cover in a week? Because if so, Elite Dangerous already met it. If not, EVE Online requests a moment of your time.

The EVE subreddit is smoldering with post after post on what players characterize as a serious botting problem, exacerbated by a recent post in which a player claims that in a brief span of time, his group was able to easily take out eight Nyx capital ships allegedly belonging to a single corporation well-known among gamers for botting.

One redditor summed up the community dismay that cheaters and cheater money rules the game, quoting another’s estimate that bots pull in a tremendous amount of ISK (in-game currency) monthly and lamenting the perception that CCP lets the botting go on (or even encourages it).

“I feel completely worthless as a customer,” Loroseco writes. “I feel like my effort over the years has been for absolutely nothing. I feel that I’ve been cheated out of making a fortune because I felt compelled to obey the ToS that I agreed to when I started playing.”

“I feel that I am completely unappreciated as a customer because, CCP, you’d rather rake in the cash than make our efforts as honest players feel worthwhile. I feel that you are ignoring this issue because you wish to take advantage of an already-diminishing player-base in order to squeeze as much cash out of us as possible before you inevitably kill the game with one of your terrible decisions. You know that there are a lot of us out there committed enough to continue playing despite the gross disrespect you show your customers; I hate to admit it, I’m one of those people. But for fucks sake, please at least explain yourself. Come out here and tell us why you’ve chosen to forsake your playerbase in return for one last payday. I thought this game was CCP’s passion? Where did that go?”

Worth pointing out is the fact that CCP Games recently slashed its community team down to almost nothing following what was apparently a forced pullout of the VR industry and the sale of a pair of its studios building other games. While it’s not certain that those layoffs have affected bot-hunting efforts in the land of internet spreadsheets, it’s clear from player reports that the suspected botters have been operating with impunity for quite some time. We’ve reached out to CCP for comment.

Source: Reddit. Thanks to Anon tipster! MOP’s Brendan Drain contributed this piece.
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Sunken Visions

How long until become so advanced that they’re indistinguishable from human players? I can see game developers using them to artificially inflate the population. Yeaaahhg, I got a nasty shudder just thinking about playing with a group of bots, and not knowing it.

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Nathan Aldana

we.come to capitalism 101. The only winners are the guys who cheat their wsy to victory.

Blake
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Blake

Ahh yes. You’re one of those special kind of stupids.

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John Mynard

Based on what I’ve been reading and have intimated from a few actions they took recently, I am suspecting that CCP is much closer to the razor’s edge financially than they might be letting on. Having said that, that might be why they are letting the larger botters alone. Especially when they are paying subs to be able to fly the fleet level ships like the Nyx.

All that said, what’s the difference between botting and multi-boxing? If there are individuals using bots to simplify their multi-box experience, how is that harmful? We had this same discussion in the WoW community some years ago and it basically boiled down to it being rare enough to not waste brain cells on. As a matter of fact, I haven’t seen a multi-boxer on WoW in at least a couple years.

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rolder

Botting doesn’t require the player to be at the computer, and bots can generally prevent themselves from dying. So what you have is accounts printing money 23/7.

Now why is this bad for CCP? Because the people botting tend to do so to sell the in-game money for actual money. Sure they pay for subscriptions, but every time they sell the ISK for dollars, thats less money for CCP because the buyer is buying from someone that’s less PLEX sales for CCP

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John Mynard

Fair enough, I keep forgetting EVE has a very complex economy that is highly interwoven with real-world money.

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Schmidt.Capela

The way Plex works, it shouldn’t change the amount of Plex that (non-botter) players purchase, since no in-game activity generates Plex.

It can muck up with the in-game value of Plex, though. I believe the end effect of botters is to make Plex less expensive to purchase with in-game credits (while the existence of Plex makes selling in-game credits for money less profitable for botters).

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Melissa McDonald

Sounds to me like they addressed it by wiping out those bot ships. If that keeps happening it will be too expensive to use bots. The system would self-correct.

rolder
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rolder

Keep in mind that the 2.6 trillion figure they pulled is for the 8 bots destroyed, not across the game as a whole. This is over the course of a month. The ships destroyed cost ~30 billion each; they pay for themselves in a day or so. Now, if CCP banned the characters, the cost would be much higher, but, well…

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panther_x

No, CCP has done anything BUT address it. This is what has been going on for some time. We as a community keep trying to force CCP’s hand in addressing the issue, but they continue to OPSEC anything to do with bot hunting, and don’t allow us to help them police it. It’s a difficult place they are in, but they need to make changes sooner rather than later

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utsukushishi

While CCP certainly has work to do, there are many of us who reject the idea that the current events reflect the imminent demise of EVE. Reddit tends to spool up the hate machine a few times a year over whatever takes its fancy. In reality, botting, while a problem, is not as big a deal as say citadel proliferation and connected vulnerability timers.

EVE has a long history, and with that comes a lot of people who are mad at it for one reason or another. When an event like this occurs they tend to come boiling up to rage post on various mediums. Sometimes that helps get things changed and thus is a net positive. A lot of times though it sadly just adds to an unfortunately negative impression of EVE that really is not accurate to a lot of us.

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John Mclain

Sadly everyone who actually plays eve, truly knows the game is starting to circle the drain, even though not all will admit it. CCP has for some reason decided to let Eve slip slowly into the night while milking it for all they can. The question is… why? Eve is the only success CCP has ever known, or likely will ever know, and once Eve is no longer profitable, CCP goes bankrupt and closes, as they are incapable of making anything else worth playing. So again, why kill your only golden goose after strangling as many eggs as you can out of it?

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Alex Js.

CCP knows about that, they know that many people use various bots to “farm” minerals, “farm” Incursions, “farm” Factional Warfare areas and so on. They just don’t care anymore. Just like they don’t care about many other things that many people have complained about, such as already overwhelming amount of ships/modules (which means some of them are always in the state of “irrelevance”, until they’re temporarily “boosted” by some patch, which in turn makes a bunch of other ships/modules “irrelevant”/undesirable) or don’t care about trying to expand gameplay past “flying in ship or staring at bunch of market/inventory/corp managment overlays while docked in station” with something similar to current VRChat (just with more appropriate “copyright-friendly” avatars) or with something like a properly done (by more competent developers, with PC as primary platform) “Dust 514”-like FPS “expansion”.

Really feels like CCP has reached past their “prime” and are in permanent state of decline now, only capable of keeping their game in what is essentially a “maintenance mode”… Which is unfortunate but oh well, time to patiently wait and see who will take their place in this genre.

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“I feel completely worthless as a customer,” Loroseco writes. “I feel like my effort over the years has been for absolutely nothing. I feel that I’ve been cheated out of making a fortune because I felt compelled to obey the ToS that I agreed to when I started playing.”

^Basically why I don’t last more than a few months in most MMOs anymore. I see a bot and lose all motivation to play.

Bluxy
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Bluxy

bot or AFK mining :beer:

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Nosy Gamer

I think I can safely say that the cuts to the community team had no impact on bot catching activity. Bans are left up to the security team and the game masters.

As for the changes to the UI, specifically the introduction of chat bubbles, causing issues, we don’t know that in this case. The change in the UI impacted at least one bot, but we don’t know if this affected the botter who lost 8 Nyx-class supercarriers.

It does look like our intrepid bot hunters got at least one more from either the same botter or his corpmates.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/67242902/

There are another 3 kills that may or may not qualify. I don’t know enough about supercarrier fits to be able to tell.

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Elizabeth Norn

At least one security/IA dev was let go though.

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Nosy Gamer

And I really wish a certain someone would write the dev blog he promised.