Guild Wars 2 tortures Dervish fans with an outfit but no class, denies excessive data collection in ‘spyware’ controversy

    
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World polish and bug fixes are at the forefront of Guild Wars 2’s latest patch, which went live yesterday.

Several nagging issues across the game were addressed, including hang-ups in the personal story, raids, and achievements. ArenaNet teased players by adding a “Primeval Dervish Outfit” and scythe to the cash shop, making all Guild Wars 1 refugees pine for that great class.

“A Primeval Dervish outfit, instead of a actual Dervish class… cries in Spanish,” one player said.

It also sounds like there is some movement in the game’s living world storyline: “Peacemakers report a greatly diminished presence of Awakened forces in asuran territories. The Arcane Council nonetheless urges travelers to exercise caution until any remaining malevolent undead are proven to be entirely eradicated.”

In other Guild Wars 2 news, remember the “spyware” debacle from last month? MOP reader Bryan received a support ticket in response to his own inquiry about the nature of what ArenaNet collected from his computer. Though it had been accused of collecting and sending back far more data than necessary, the company is denying that accusation:

“The detection process, which we ran from 3/6/2018 to 3/27/2018, identified if a version associated to one of five separate programs we previously disclosed on 4/14/2018 was running on your computer at the same time as Guild Wars 2. The data sent back to ArenaNet was a yes or no to whether or not we detected one of those programs. No other data was sent to ArenaNet as part of the detection method.”

Source: Patch notes. Thanks, Bryan!
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Emmanuel Carabott

Security is always a balancing act between privacy and well security. If we were to switch to an Orwellian state where every means of communication and well out every moved is monitored by people in power we’d probably cut down on crime and make our lives pretty safe (of course assuming the people monitoring unlike 1984 would not have a dictatorial agenda as well). Now the question is would really want that? Of course not thats too extreme so as a society we decided to compromise. We do give police the right to snoop and monitor us but with a judicial oversight to make sure they have a valid reason to do it first.

Here we’re not talking about life and death though we’re talking about games but the same principles apply. Do we want a fair game environment or do we want total privacy? As with real life it has to be a compromise. Tie game developers hands and you’ll get bots and cheating. We need to compromise. Truth is client side is always problematic, like I hear a lot of people suggesting they should have the game client monitor the game process for unauthorized changes but if they do that then all hackers would need to do is modify that code to no matter what it detects always report everything is fine. Security is always a war between who is trying to secure something and who is trying to beat that security to achieve their goal whatever it may be. Only option is to adopt and to me looking for a set of knowing botting tools while the game is running doesnt really shift the balance of privicacy to security into the red zone.

Someone below retorted to someone defending this if they also leave their door wide open just because they have nothing to hid and yeah I would definitely not leave my door open just because I have nothing to hid, privacy is not about hiding things but this is not what we’re talking about. I would definitely not be okey for a game developer to scan my harddisk and send back every single file for analysis by that game developer. Here we’re talking about a specific very limited scan for 5 particular programs. Its not about letting someone in your house to go through everything looking for anything suspicious, Its more like letting someone look through your open window looking for the top 5 most wanted list and take action if they spot them in your house and I personally think I would be fine with that.

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Diego Lindenmeyer

“3/6/2018 to 3/27/2018”

yeah sure xD

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Dragon Whimsy

While I don’t think GW2 needs new classes at this point because elite specs more than fill that need I DO think there should have been a dervish elite spec for one of the existing classes in PoF.

I’m amused that M:OP managed to make a click bait title out of ANet adding an Elonian flavored outfit to the gem store during the Elonian expansion though. That took some creative work.

I’m guessing the next article will be “ANet tortures GW1 players by putting Nightfall themed content updates in GW2!”

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nobleeinherjar

I used to pine for the Dervish class in GW2. But I realized that even if they added the class, it wouldn’t change any of the other things about the game that keep me from playing it. Still would be nice to see for those that want it and still play GW2, though.

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Yuri Geinish

What’s actually keeping you from playing gw2?

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Bryan Turner

I get it every one has moved on to the Russian Mafia and Everquest, naturally I’m at the mercy of how fast ANet can answer a ticket. I said a lot of fear mongering BS about Privacy while feeling the fear my self because there was no official Public Statement from ANet regarding that Reddit Thread where some one haphazardly reverse engineered ANet’s Anti Chaet Software.

I tipped this because A) This is probably the closest thing you will get to a public statement from ANet since it’s obvious they have no intention of doing it for them selves. B) There’s still a lot of misinformation and fighting on the forums so I wanted to try to quell that. C) I was wrong, part of being a man is to take responsibility when he is wrong and own that shit, I read a blog that never updated with further information and ran with it like a 2016 General Election Facebook story (not that I’m accusing MOP of being Russian Trolls, but there was never any follow up until I got you all a definitive answer).

I don’t blame MOP for not following up on any developments either, they rely on tips usually so if no one actually told them there was another programmer further down the line that determined there was a filtering process in that Reddit thread then it wouldn’t have been followed up on right? As for me in the days after that article there was so much data from Arm Chair ANet Hats that I figured I wasn’t going to say anything further on MOP about this until I had something in writing from the Man Behind the Curtain so to speak.

Have a good day, I know I’m eating popcorn while loling my way through these Russian Mafia Daybreak articles too but when there are changes followups are needed.

Be excellent to each other.

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Dragon Whimsy

I’m impressed you followed up on something that worried you. Maybe you should be a journalist! There are precious few real journalists left. They’re an endangered species.

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Louie

I can’t thank you enough for doing what you did honestly. I love ANet and GW, but this was something that was incredibly concerning and I’m grateful that you took the initiative that helped give me peace of mind about this. You have a good day, too, and thanks again.

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Dug From The Earth

Crap, I just got banned from the game because they detected I was reading this MoP article.

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Dystopiq

Most of the community moved on from this “controversy”

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hardy83

“The data sent back to ArenaNet was a yes or no to whether or not we detected one of those programs.”

Yeah except based on my experience, they didn’t even do that right. They apparently saw that I had “UNF” installed and got banned.
Of course in reality, I never had it installed, nor did I even know what it was until after the ban (thanks ANet for forcing me to research GW2 hacks, cause that makes sense).
Got banned, they didn’t care for my requests to appeal or even treat me like a human.

Just be warned. Whatever software they use is faulty, and there’s a chance you’ll get banned for no reason and be treated like a nobody if they try this again, regardless of how many years and how much money you’ve been loyal to them for. Or how you’re blatantly not cheating if they even bothered to review the accusation in the slightest.

Keep that in mind if you consider playing this game or any ANet game. You’re not important, and they will ban you if it makes THEM feel better, not if it actually makes sense or is valid. Any investment you make will be thrown away because you’re nothing, and they don’t care you or your privacy rights.

In my almost 20 years (god I’m old…) experience in MMOs, this is the ONLY time I’ve been treated like garbage by a company with false accusations and a ban.
I feel dirty saying companies like EA have treated me better than ANet, but it’s now true. Go go ArenaNet.

Personal opinion? Avoid this game and company. Their questionable push into the RNG systems with mounts, as well as treatment of players is really pushing into that BS territory so many companies do now in “AAA” gaming.

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kalamari_

there was no “push” into rng systems with mount skins. jesus christ get your facts right before you post BS, ppl….

there were RNG boxes in the game from day 1. and these boxes were and still are WAY worse than everything mount related anet put in the gem store.

and nobody gave a shit about these boxes back then. but now its about mounts and everyone flips their shit.

hypocrites.

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Michael

Another thread about aliens, the fake moon landing, and devices in our walls listening to our every move. (Regarding the “spyware controversy”)

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Paragon Lost

Independent (read outside of the company) review of the code is the only way I’d believe what any company claims these days.

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draugris

Absolutely, especially Arenanet has a history in lying.