Star Citizen partially reverses CitizenCon streaming paywall decision after community erupts

    
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Note: We’ve updated the end of this post with the latest developments since the article went live Friday morning.

The Star Citizen subreddit has been positively ablaze overnight thanks to Cloud Imperium’s Thursday night announcement that it would be locking all of the CitizenCon streaming behind a digital ticket paywall, breaking with tradition from past Star Citizen events.

Popular Star Citizen fansite Relay even let CIG have it, arguing that “CIG has no business locking out any part of its fanbase” because it has “crowdfunded over $190 million to develop Star Citizen and untold millions more from subscribers” and “lives off of the goodwill, generosity, and excitement of the Star Citizen community.” Moreover, the site posits, CitizenCon is a far cry from BlizzCon, whose studio has released 19 games.

The furor grew so loud that early this morning Chris Roberts himself posted to the game’s Spectrum forums, telling players to stop yelling at marketing and instead blame him. He explains that this year’s event will be both significantly bigger than in past years (to allow more people to attend) and far more expensive to run. Streaming was originally cut from this event’s design for 2018, but he says it was his decision to make sure all of the panels were being recorded and recorded properly – even at great expense – and from there, the studio decided to include it as a perk for some backers.

“I thought let’s take a leaf out of Blizzard’s book and have a digital pass to allow people to virtually be there for all the presentations and the money for these passes would help offset the not inconsiderable increase in costs that I was asking for because I wanted to do it better for all of you,” he writes.

“Nothing was ever planned to be pay-walled or withheld form the community, and honestly I like the idea of most people seeing the presentations in their own time as a high quality video rather than a stream of potentially questionable quality. The live-stream aspect was always intended for the most ardent community members that want to see it live as it unfolds but can’t make it to the event to be there in person. We’re not likely to cover the costs of the additional coverage and live-streaming but I felt we should be fiscally responsible and try to defray at least some of additional costs, which is how the current plan came to be.”

“What we didn’t anticipate is how dearly some of you value watching the main CitizenCon presentation live,” he concludes. “I get that some of you may not be considering these nuances when you’re whipping out your pitchforks, which is why I thought it would help to detail our thought process and decision process. […] But I get that some of you could feel that you’ve lost something that you’ve had previously, and you are not a true Star Citizen fan unless you’ve sat through an awkward live-stream with crashes and technical glitches, so we will have the opening keynote and my closing available for everyone that has a Star Citizen account, no digital pass required, with the other sessions requiring a digital pass to see live (and remember you’ll be able to see these at your leisure, no restrictions a few days later).”

In other words, everyone will now be able to see the keynote and endcap streams without paying, but the rest is still paywalled.

Meanwhile, if you can pull your gaze away from the latest Star Citizen flaming trainwreck, Around the Verse also went up last night; it recaps Gamescom, community events, and development work on scramble races, asteroid mining, city building, visual effects, ocean environments, new skins for the Tumbril, weapon sound design, and the con itself.

Source: Spectrum, Relay, Reddit, YouTube. With thanks to DK, Fastcart, Cotic, and Quavers.
Update: Roberts has posted again, this time nullifying both previous announcements to grant all streaming to every Star Citizen player.

“After sleeping on this, I am going to chalk this one up to experience. We’re going to cut back on the live-streaming crew / costs but have both stages streamed for anyone with a Star Citizen user account. Star Citizen Content Creators are welcome to rebroadcast our stream live. If you would like to support the additional costs of streaming all the presentations, you can support the show by purchasing the CitizenCon digital goodies package (Imperators still get this as their October flair).”

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TheDonDude

Hey Bree, I’ve decided to help out and write all your future Star Citizen articles for you.

The Star Citizen community is in an uproar over the announcement that the price of a certain feature is being jacked way up. Numerous highly upvoted posts on the subreddit claim that this is the last straw, while others claim that this is normal and that games take a long time to develop.

CIG Founder Chris Roberts has chimed in, saying that the scope has somehow expanded and so the cost has also gone up.

Funding meanwhile has not slowed, and the latest Star Citizen concept ship has pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You can also catch the latest developments in CIG’s recently released Around The Verse, which is very pretty.

Feel free to just copy and paste the above for every article ever.

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Beet Wagon

Pretty good, except CR only comes out for the really big emergencies. 95% of the time he couldn’t give a shit what his cash cows are mad about, and makes Disco sooth the howling swine instead.

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deekay_plus

they’re probably watching the subscription count drop in real time as people have woken up this morning to it at the top of their feeds lol

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primal

its included if you subscribe so that wouldnt make any sense

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deekay_plus

people are dropping their subs even if they don’t need to sub to watch as it is in protest.

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deekay_plus

i don’t think i need to say it. but just in case bruv, cheers.

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Ken from Chicago

All he had to do was ask.

“Sadly, negotiations didn’t work out for a sponsor this year. So we are going to have to cut back on this year’s CitizenCon after last year’s.”

“Unless, you would like to help sponsor this year’s CitizenCon, for $5 you will placed on the Wall of Fame and credited at the end of the convention. For $10 you will get special flair for your hangar and jacket you can wear in game. For $20 you can get an exclusive RSI 2948 helmet that only you can wear. For $100, you can have your name engraved and displayed in Port Olisar and Grim Hex. For $500, you can get your own exclusive 2948 edition Big Benny’s vending machine.”

Problem solved.

— Ken from Chicago

P.S. And if there isn’t enough support, eat the cost and announce there wasn’t enough support, but you’re going to do the event anyway. Get the big P.R. boost. Next year you cut back.

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socontrariwise

Funny idea: ask the community FIRST if they want a pay-walled lifestream of high quality versus the conventional quality free one. Imagine THAT.

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Joe Blobers

Those traveling to Austin were supposed to get more, which is normal as they did paid more (ticket + travel + hotel).. but all footages would have beene available on youtube eventually.

Others people looking to get information about the project were still able to get
+2 hours 30 minutes of Keynotes, which is the principal reason of such event. For Free. .
A well balanced decision after the Digital ticket uproar… and now everything is available.

Another “Drama” which turned to go nowhere as all past ones… Meanwhile nay-sayers will keep their weekly job with old joke: “we will have real space travel before the game is released”….

That’s all is remaining to them with 3.3 incoming patch and roadmap giving 4 quarters ahead of most gameplay and contents… :)

31st August: Evocati invites going out for 3.3

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Skyrant

It’s all coming in the next patch, promise, for real this time…

SQ42 has been released 4 times already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ue0lzVnys

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rePool

How does he sit at his computer with a straight face and repeat his mantra so much? 7 years and they only JUST started a quarterly release schedule that was already delayed. 7 years of no progress but he acts like they’re amazing.

Joe is one of the most delusional rabid fanboys I’ve ever come across for any game in the last 25 years. CIG doesn’t even know what they’re doing considering they tried monetizing citcon live stream, but he spreads his propaganda about release schedule and next patch bull shit like gospel.

I’d bet money he has a picture of Chris on his walls and wears Star Citizen clothing daily.

Here let me add one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrbgnFxJ5dE

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Joe Blobers

For personal convenience I choose Sandi’s picture :)

Sad you see no progress. May be it is because you have trouble to sort out what you love to copy/paste. Old meme like 1M$ door or Expresso machine? Or even better when you try to provide Beta ETA and shoot… 28 years :)

Every project have its little group of nay-sayers and trolls followers but the funniest is by far the one coming after 4 years of “battles”, cherry picking “drama” expecting his “expertise” at using Google search makes him even remotely believable or clever… :)

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Bullet Teeth

Joe is one of the most delusional rabid fanboys I’ve ever come across for any game in the last 25 years.

Gotta say, I agree here. He even overtakes “SoMuchMass“. Old school MOP-ers will know who that is. At least Joe gives some remote, if minuscule, source of entertainment. SMM was just a ballbag.

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Joe Blobers

Keep believing 2 Triple-A pushing limits in many direction can be released in less than 6 years…
CR could have released something called SQ42, whatever it could have been and move along with 10’s M$ of remaining cash.
Pretend that the +145M$ since mid-2014 have been thrown by disgruntled Backers :)

I know that those who shoot prophecies of Doom are more than embarrassed by a roadmap showing CIG is able to deliver most gameplay and features by end of 2019… Worst scam ever :)

It is coming there is no question about that.

Questions will switch soon to: Are transportation, mining, repairing, salvaging to name a few, will be fun in phase 0 and 1? How is going to be a full system with all locations populated and semi handcrafted, prototype for all others or is OCS and Bind culling is providing substantial good gameplay experience?

Years to get their will be forgotten only if the product delivered is good to excellent for most. Rushing at this point would be a mistake.

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Skyrant

Keep believing 2 Triple-A pushing limits in many direction can be released in less than 6 years…

It’s all in the Video: Chris Roberts was believing it, not me. Or maybe he was lying to his backers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ue0lzVnys

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Joe Blobers

… Kickstarter was also a simple refreshed version of past Wing Commander… until it was not anymore.
You can live in the past or move on. I can help you with this fresh one. Fun and right in the “Drama” joke train:

CitizenCon 2018 Digital Ticket Tribute

Enjoy! :)

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Bruno Brito

You can live in the past or move on.

So easy to let go of of 200million bucks, eh?

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Joe Blobers

Quote: ” to let go of of 200million bucks”

Nobody said that.
6 Years by end of Nov. 2018, starting from scratch, Alpha 3.2 and a roadmap giving most gameplay and features by end of 2019… and a couple of new “drama” for sure :)

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rePool

7 years not less than 6. Talk about lying, we’re working towards 8 years now and only 17% done. Still on 1 system, broken AI, no professions. Scrapping FM and doing it over again, missing doors on ships, dying when walking in a ship how about different missile characteristics that were promised? They can’t even get those to work period. C’mon mention physics, those are being redone apparently after John was fired. Seems all the original people have been fired and all we see is new faces each week.

So weird. I could continue to list a bunch for these AAA titles you say push limits yet can’t even get AI working. Hang tight, let me refactor that. LMFAO!!

You keep mentioning my 28 year estimate but you clearly too delusional to understand how I calculated the time frame. I’ll do it for you one more time since you must be a high school drop out.

We’re 7 years in to development only 17% completion. Right Joe? Still with me?

based on the crowdsourced progression tracker https://starcitizentracker.github.io/

17% \ 7 years is approximately 2.4% progression a year.

If we go based off of CURRENT read with me Joe, I know reading from goons is hard for you because you don’t want to admit they may be right about something. CURRENT progression of 2.4% progress per year it’ll take 34 or so more years to get the game done. Make fun of me all you want, I can’t make up the numbers, that’s simple factual numbers. I know it came from me, so you go do the math based on current pace ok? I’ll wait.

Just because you don’t like them and want to cry in a corner about them doesn’t change the fact. We’re going by the current pace of development since 2011 (1 year) before they entered kickstarter. Could they speed up? Sure, but let’s say it again, at current pace, that’s the number.

Now let’s touch base on something else. You keep saying they are pushing 2 AAA games to their limits. Tell me what limits and innovations are they pushing that others like E:D or NMS haven’t already done? I’ll wait.

Since I’ve proven you’re not an actual backer I don’t expect you to answer questions. Your usual replies everywhere are the same redundant schedule road map bull shit.

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Joe Blobers

Quote repool: “CURRENT progression of 2.4% progress per year it’ll take 34 or so more years to get the game done

That’s your problem repool. You prove to be able to make simple multiplication. I thought that MBA was bringing more on the table…. but anyway. Congrats. 34 years this is noted :)

That and your “give me your RSI handle or I tell everyone you are not a backer “…

So cute :)

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Tee Parsley

There has to be a convention, because Roberts loves the adulation of the crowds.

Marketing is a secondary bonus. Paying for the convention? Well, the adulation is worth it!

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markfromindy

Jesus, the way he talks, you’d think Chris Roberts only made 188 dollars instead of almost ( or has it surpassed it ) 188 million. “Hey, loyal citizens, you can get the super duper special stream for 27 k, and we’ll throw in a special gold plated toilet to go into your ship”.

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deekay_plus

it’s just over 193million now

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Oleg Chebeneev

When Ive heard about this 20$ paywall for Citizencon it was the first time ever I was angry at CIG. Here is topic Ive made: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cig-ive-been-defending-you-for-a-long-time

Really happy to see that Chris listened to community and changed this decision. Maybe I was one of those who influenced this change, since I wasnt impressed with his first excuse and let him know about it: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/citizencon-streaming/1439814

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mike foster

this is truly the weirdest timeline

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Roger Melly

I had to keep looking out my window to see if I could see Airships flying by .

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Your Honor

Man, I was bored and read through your timeline of posts on Spectrum and wow there is some juicy stuff in there.

You like a real turbo fanboy. Also, your expectations are so frigging high considering your made suggestions on spectrum this game will never live up.

Holy hell, you are actually crazy.

P.S. I saved your spectrum link so I can always find it.

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deekay_plus

you know what? i’mma give where given is due. oleg stood up for the people despite his larger fanboy bullshit.

and we all know oleg can step some bullshite on this game.

so hey. again, give credit where it’s due. oleg stood up and said enough for once.

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Oleg Chebeneev

I was curious and have read my own posts on spectrum and didnt see much fanboyism tbh. In 3 pages there is plenty of criticism like about mining, NPCs and generic lore.

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Your Honor

I like where you go,

“Not being able to properly aim after 30 seconds sprint will be extremely annoying.”

In one post and immediately after that in the same month you went on with this.

“As someone who enjoyed Skyrim with immersion mods like Frostfall and Realistic Needs and Diseases, I dig eating, drinking, sleeping, caring for warmth and other mechanics. Its what I want from SC. Being very realistic universe.”

Almost like you can’t decide what you really want.

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Oleg Chebeneev

In one case there are cool immersion mechanics that make experience more fun and engaging. In other case its annoying camera shaking that adds nothing to the game. I know exactly which ones I want and which I dont

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Your Honor

Yeah but this is CR vision for the game, sadly his way is the only way.

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Oleg Chebeneev

I like CR’s vision but camera shaking has nothing to do with it, its something that being rebalanced alot and can be removed completely depending on feedback.

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April-Rain

I’m can’t believe I am actually disappointed in CIG & CR for backing down, if people can afford $300 for a jpeg, what’s an extra $20/30 for a stream?

Support your game people!

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cmdr_cotic

An update from Roberts

UPDATE:

After sleeping on this, I am going to chalk this one up to experience.

We’re going to cut back on the live-streaming crew / costs but have both stages streamed for anyone with a Star Citizen user account.

Star Citizen Content Creators are welcome to rebroadcast our stream live.

If you would like to support the additional costs of streaming all the presentations, you can support the show by purchasing the CitizenCon digital goodies package (Imperators still get this as their October flair)

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/citizencon-streaming

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Sean Barfoot

That’s good to hear.

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deekay_plus

i think you and i will agree that mr roberts is doing a good job of eating crow before the audience.

i’m interested to see how this plays out with the most angry quarters.

speaking of which, dm on steam deekay_zero i have something for you

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Lethality

CIG is staging an event with world-class production values and tech ala Blizzard. And they want to cover the costs instead of dipping into development pledges.

How anyone can see that as a bad thing, I don’t know.

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Utakata

…sure, whatever you say! o.O

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Mr.McSleaz

+1
lmao.

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deekay_plus

cig recieves tens of thousands of dollars towards their video production aims monthly and has yet to produce a live event that compares to self taught twitch streamers in production value outside of pissing money on big screens and ampitheters so chris roberts and his wife can rub their egos all over our visual and audio cortexes.

i tune into these events for the big reveal to see what vaguely might come next for me as a player with a thick layer of bullshot all over it. but you gotta be kidding me that if buddy didn’t have a sponsor like last year he should’ve toned it downe.

and he really said it all in his first spectrum post “I wanted bigger and better” and that’s all there is to it.

if anything we should praise the guy for a moment for owning up to it and being upfront for a moment. even if it’s pure PR.

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rePool

They’re doing something so amazing and glorious I can’t understand why everyone but me doesn’t see what’s wrong with the whole ordeal. Says the guy with Star Citizen in his avatar.

You know it’s a scientific fact fanboys lack the mental capacity to see past their bias? I can source the study if you like.

Hey I agree with you, I think Chris should start charging people to watch the ATV’s as well. Monetize it all. It’s all CIG is good at.

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Skyrant

Here is a quick reminder about CIG world class production value: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkxl9iBJtA

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mike foster

lol