The Daily Grind: Which MMORPG could use a good reboot?

MMORPG reboots might be impractical and inadvisable, but games from Darkfall and DUST 514 to MapleStory and Linkrealms are all giving (or have given) it a go. But it seems to me that most of the games being rebooted during their lifetimes (or being granted a spin-off gameplay server of one form or another) seem to do so in an attempt to rescue themselves or cash in on a new playerbase — not necessarily to update themselves for a modern playerbase.

Some of my favorites unfortunately got sequels rather than reboots. I’d love to see Asheron’s Call get a solid reboot, for example, but I fear hopes for a player-modded AC1 to take us there are dwindling. Classic Guild Wars was a solid game too, and I’d argue that not nearly enough of it made its way into Guild Wars 2.

What do you think? Which MMORPG could use a good reboot — not a sequel or spin-off but a serious attempt to port the game into 2016?

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Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

World of Warcraft, no question.  If WoW got a reboot with everything that made it great in the first place and then had up-to-date graphics/systems on top of that, it would easily knock any other potential reboot out of the park.

AGx
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AGx

As much as I want to say FFXI, I have to go with WoW. If you could take all of WoW’s content and story and port it up to the visual standards of, say, Black Desert (combat and all) I think you’d have a seriously fantastic game. Of course, whether its FFXI or WoW I’d like to see some more modern changes made to the likes of the crafting systems. Maybe give us some of the boating systems of Archeage, etc.

grindhouse155
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grindhouse155

City of Heroes.

Callixto
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Callixto

LotRO.

codewar65
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codewar65

Rynn *this* It should be common sense these days that if your are a studio, you stay as far as you can away from NCSoft. They only kill games that are not making them tons of money in the asian market.

mysecretid
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mysecretid

dorn2 
It does seem like gameplay matters more to game-players than game-makers, sometimes, I agree.
Thanks for the post!
Cheers,

dorn2
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dorn2

Ultima Online obviously.  City of Heroes.  Star Wars Galaxies.  It’s kind of stunning how easy it is for people to agree on some of these choices. Really shows you the investors are ignoring valuable marketing data somehow.

I think an interesting point is that many of these games only failed due to small problems that simply required coding changes.  Many companies just won’t invest in the programmers and designers required to actually update the game.  They’ll pay artists to pump out “content” but they won’t spend a dime on “gameplay”.
Truly popular games spend a lot on gameplay.  Mobas are pretty much nothing but gameplay updates.  WoW is failing but the reason it held on so long was constantly keeping the game fresh.

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

Captain Electric schmidtcapela Kageokami, oTQ Rhime 
A little correction, that would be a looming expiring trademark.

And, if they wanted to make a tribute: create and launch a good game from one of the franchises they acquired with Origin Systems. Good doesn’t have to mean AAA; given the following of those franchises a retro-style game could still have good results, while costing far less for the art.

That could work not only for the Origin franchises, but also for those acquired with other studios. Bullfrog (Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper), Westwood (Command and Conquer), Phenomic (Spellforce), among others. EA has a long list of franchises loved and cherished in the past that they acquired the dev and then mercilessly closed down, which is why Origin Systems fans often call EA “Destroyer of Worlds”.

Captain Electric
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Captain Electric

schmidtcapela Kageokami, oTQ Captain Electric Rhime Sometimes I wonder if that might have been somebody’s attempt to honor the late great OSI; but, yeah, even if that was the case, it would have been a misguided tribute and it was obviously poorly received.
And I’m sure a probably looming expiring copyright had nothing to do with it. /Sarcasm

Captain Electric
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Captain Electric

AaronTallman “Ultima Online or City of Heroes.”
Best two MMORPGs ever made, right there. A reboot for either would have big shoes to fill and in UO’s case, I think a lot of fans could be pleased. But, in CoH’s case, I’m not sure a reboot would be better than a sequel, since it’s such a story-focused IP. I’m guessing fans would probably rather see the story pick up where it left off, with the impending Battalion invasion, rather than start over with the First Rikti War.

mvpeets
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mvpeets

Aion, SW:tOR, RIFT maybe, Dragon’s Prophet if they could make it less shitty in the process.

DPandaren
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DPandaren

Please don’t tempt me with Asheron’s Call.

Ekphrasis
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Ekphrasis

City of Heroes.
It’s not even a contest as far as I’m concerned.
The only other MMO that could do with a reboot/rework would be TSW for its combat. (If they brought in B&S combat/animations then I’d probably never leave TSW – except for CoH…)

AaronTallman
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AaronTallman

Ultima Online or City of Heroes.

Rynn
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Rynn

City of Heroes, but it’s sort of being rebooted via City of Titans and others. I’d really love to see an official sequel/reboot, though. Well, as long as NCSoft wasn’t the publisher.

mourasaint
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mourasaint

WoW. But they’re doing it, I believe…

I would also say SWTOR, but that game’s well beyond redemption.

malrats
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malrats

Undoubtedly EverQuest or EverQuest 2. I’d also take Asheron’s Call and/or Dark Age of Camelot.

Trigan
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Trigan

City of Heroes

codewar65
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codewar65

ddocentral Wakkander Ryzom?

Nate Woodard
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Nate Woodard

I’ll agree to disagree. I’m glad you’re enjoying WoW, but for me it’s not fun anymore. I’d really like them to spice it up a bit.

codewar65
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codewar65

A ‘good’ reboot? Asheron’s Call.

Hounddog74
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Hounddog74

Quincha

GW was a good game, they don’t share that in common either.

MariedeGournay
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MariedeGournay

Zariarn BritoBruno MariedeGournay I see what you’re saying, but I think Blizz should keep its basic stylized art aesthetic. Still that’s really cool, thanks for sharing.

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

For me:

– GW1. I already find it better than GW2, despite the dated graphics and animations. A proper reboot would, for me, blow GW2 out of the water.

– WoW, using the design philosophy from the WotLK era, but making sure any expansions are properly integrated into the main game.

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

Hurbster Quincha BritoBruno 
My opinion also. Currently, I find GW1 a far more enjoyable game than GW2.

schmidtcapela
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schmidtcapela

Kageokami, oTQ Captain Electric Rhime 
For my part, I gave up on getting any game from EA after they named their online store “Origin”.

I mean, Origin Systems was my favorite studio before EA acquired them and basically killed every single of its franchises, closing the studio itself a few years later. Even the logo for the Origin store is similar to the one from Origin Systems, just in orange and without the starburst. So, every time I look at the Origin store I’m reminded of what made me hate EA in the first place.

Estranged
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Estranged

The Tarr family needs a show.

Zulika_Mi_Nam
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Zulika_Mi_Nam

Estranged 
Datak Tarr is one of my fav characters…so SyFy Had to kill it.  It is what they do.
I really liked the autistic guy on Alphas as well…Gary

Hurbster
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Hurbster

Quincha BritoBruno It would be a lot better if it were more like GW1 , imo.

ihatevnecks
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ihatevnecks

SexyKingJesus Funcom doing it would be the worst possible idea for this. They’re great in setting and concept, but I don’t think they’ve ever proven themselves to be particularly adept at actually creating a good game. That’s probably why their games seem to keep popping up on this article :P

Zariarn
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Zariarn

BritoBruno Zariarn MariedeGournay The article is asking which MMO could use a good reboot.  If you don’t change stuff like graphics and gameplay, then you’re not actually doing a reboot but rather a copy.

Captain Electric
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Captain Electric

qweazdak Sadly, the classic high res art upgrade was canceled late last year. Officially, at least. Many players suspect it was shelved long before the cancellation announcement (which the producer dropped during an obscure podcast interview on a fan site).
“As for content, pretty much everything needs to be reverted.”
Winding the clock back fifteen to eighteen years and calling it a sequel isn’t most people’s idea of a sequel.

SallyBowls1
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SallyBowls1

I like both STO & LotRO. I might go for sequel over reboot for STO.  But LotRO could get away with reboot; Great and expansive lore/IP; could use some better graphics and QoL issues. And Housing 2.0.

RolanStorm
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RolanStorm

Nate Woodard I disagree. WoW is fine creature as it is. They should have launched a game that reflected accumulated experience and would be next step compared to WoW. But ‘Titan’ never happened. Too bad… I guess. Doesn’t mean WoW needs a reboot.

RolanStorm
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RolanStorm

Jack Pipsam Yesindeedyesyesyesindeedyeshyeshyesh!!!

Ahem… I meant I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly.

:)

RolanStorm
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RolanStorm

Khayotix Man, relax. :) You are not the only one who played Everquest and had a life, those who know believe you (other will not whatever you write). :) Back in the day it wasn’t that much of a big deal.

I’d play Everquest with new graphics any day over what we have now and will sink time in it. The reason I don’t spend much time on MMORPGs they are no longer captivating, they are just funny. A lot of new guys think of MMORPGs completely different rather then those whos started with Everquest and such. Tell them you have to wait half an hour to catch a ship you’ll hear no end of it. No seriously, imagine ANY new game that does something like this to players and you’ll see how people raised by catering MMORPGs will turn it down.

P.S. Also, one megaserver or at most two – for NA and EU – would be nice. In other words, all the current technical benefits with old game.

sray155
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sray155

They’re not doing anything remotely close: I’m talking about turning Wildstar into something closer to Marvel Superhero Squad Online than the middle of the road, adult gamer oriented MMORPG they’re working on right now; and that’s a massive difference.
Also, how is having 100+ employees at Carbine a skeleton crew? That’s still larger by 20 to 30 people than most games making 5 times what Wildstar has been.

qweazdak
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qweazdak

Ultima Online. I still prefer the classic client feel. It just needs it graphics updated while keeping that. As for content, Pretty much everything needs to be reverted.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

sray155 They took their sweet time, that’s for sure, but they’re doing this NOW, specially since they don’t have any manpower for the raid/pvp team anymore. They’ll focus on a casual approach.
What are the issues with kid’s game, really?

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

Zariarn MariedeGournay Truth be told? No. It looks like TES, and while it’s beautiful, it’s not WoW.
WoW artstyle is actually meaningful now. Been here for a decade. It’s part of the game.

BritoBruno
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BritoBruno

Quincha BritoBruno Because i was answering to you. I’m not ignoring jack, GW2 was sold as a improvement to GW1, with a bit more MMO mechanics. The manifesto that you put it, sold us that every single sword swing would mean something. It doesn’t.
You can say whatever you want, you can whiteknight as much as you like, it won’t change the principal idea here: That no matter how many words wasted, THE NAME OF THE GAME IS GUILD WARS TWO. A SEQUEL TO GUILD WARS ONE.
You can’t blame ANYONE that expected that.

Sorenthaz
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Sorenthaz

mysecretid Sorenthaz Yeah.  Doubt it’ll get such of course because Turbine is on a short leash at this point with Infinite Crisis’s failure and no other new game in sight (unless they’re doing mobile games now?).  I tried to get back into LotRO briefly in… 2011 or 2012? And the game felt and looked too outdated at that point.   I can’t imagine how I’d feel about it if I tried to get back into it again now, lol.  It’s pretty much one of those MMOs that I have fond memories of and I loved the strategic challenges of playing a Loremaster, but nowadays I simply can’t touch it again because it feels too old.  Instead of aging like a fine wine it’s pretty much lost all flavor for me.  Or what flavor is there tastes disgusting.

sray155
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sray155

@britobruno Carbine’s approach has been to drag the game into the middle of the road: it’s still the same “raid or GTFO” design that every other WoW styled themepark uses; just because they made things slightly less “hardcore” doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the players will be locked out of reaching pinnacle character progression by a non-sensical and outdated design paradigm. I’m talking about turning it into a kid’s game which basically means cranking the difficulty way down, getting rid of dual factions/PvP/raids/dungeons/mandatory grouping and generally becoming the kid friendly game the art style suggests that it is.

mysecretid
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mysecretid

Satanixx 
See, even as an older gamer, I completely missed Asheron’s Call when it came out, for reasons I can’t even remember. By the time it occurred to me, “Hey, I should try that”, it was already gone.
So, it’s not solely love for other games which may be keeping the calls for Asheron (see what I did there? :-) ) quieter — I honestly wonder how many people actually got to try AC or AC 2 the first time around?

Cheers,

SexyKingJesus
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SexyKingJesus

Looks like AO might be one of the most requested reboots. Write an article about it so Funcom can get to it lmao

Zariarn
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Zariarn

MariedeGournay Like this?

mysecretid
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mysecretid

Sorenthaz 
Good call regarding Lord of the Rings Online.
It’s a great game as it exists — one of the best, I think — but it’s aging very, very badly, which will only hurt its appeal going forward.
It doesn’t need a sequel, but it could use a more modern implementation of all that is good in it.

SexyKingJesus
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SexyKingJesus

Oleg Chebeneev Captain Electric Serrenity I got a nice laugh out of that lmao, but its sad that its true

mysecretid
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mysecretid

Anarchy Online.

It’s a truly unique SF setting, and a really good game, but its component parts are so flogging old now, it’s almost criminal.

People want alternatives to the “same old fantasy stuff” in their games — Anarchy Online could absolutely be that choice with a solid reboot.

My opinions, anyway,

StClair
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StClair

Malrowe ohforfs the term you’re looking for is “legally distinct.”  :p

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