Massively Opinionated: Hearthstone vs Neverwinter vs LoL

    
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On this week’s edition of Massively Opinionated, we’re talking about one of the biggest controversies to hit the western MMO market in the last few years: free-to-play. We asked our panelists which game has the best F2P model, what turns the western market off from F2P, and which F2P ad is the worst they have seen. We also ask them to build their own F2P MMO.

The rules are simple: Our host, Larry Everett, asks our expert panelists four questions prior to the show on our topic of the week. They come to the show prepared to defend their answers… to the death. Whoever has the best argument wins a point for each question, and the panelist with the most points at the end wins the internet.

Our panelists today are some of the best reporters on F2P games: From MMO Bomb, it’s Editor Jason Winter; from BioBreak and the Massively OP Podcast, Justin Olivetti joins us; and our own Tina Lauro from Predestination jumps on the panel once again!

Larry’s info
Twitter: Shaddoe
Blog: Hyperspace Beacon

Jason Winter’s info
Twitter: WinterInformal
Site: MMO Bomb

Justin Olivetti’s info
Twitter: Sypster
Blog: BioBreak

Tina Lauro’s info
Twitter: PurpleTinaBeans
Site: Predestination

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Tina Lauro
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Tina Lauro

Tee hee hee! Who knows what craziness Brendan and I will create after Predestination? I’m all for Zoo Tycoon Type Thing Online lol.

bossrprouse
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bossrprouse

Loving this new show.
Larry, if you don’t mind a bit of criticism for it, here’s some thoughts. I feel like you are trying to help them argue their points, or try and direct them (probably trying to help them get to where they are going). I like your passion, but it’s sort of taking away time from them from trying to give their own argument. This show is probably your baby right now, I understand you want to hug it to death, but you should let the others fly more on their own merits. Maybe take an episode here and their to switch sides from host/arbiter to being one of the contestants/debaters.
Now that’s not to say I want you to be quiet while they are arguing, after all, this is your show and I love your personality in it. That’s why I like the areas where you sort of break down/bullet point what you heard to help clear up what it is they say for yourself and for us. Also like the banter back and forth between you all. I think Larry and the rest of you guys are doing a great job. Keep it going.
Also, I loved that game idea, Tina. When’s that kickstarter? :)

JakeDunnegan
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JakeDunnegan

I do like the idea of discussing the F2P model though. Definitely. Maybe more useful to discuss the merits (generically) of B2P vs. F2P vs Sub. Perhaps even including, as was mentioned here, the different types of cash. At least that way, you can keep the pros and cons of the individual games, or developers, etc, out of the conversation. It’s too easy to say, “I can’t stand the graphics in game X” and then discard/ignore/amplify the sub/F2P/B2P aspect of it.

JakeDunnegan
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JakeDunnegan

Nreff I agree – not even sure that MOBAs and MMOs should be in the same converation. Why not include FPSs like Battlefield and COD since those are games that have multiplayer and are online?

Khalith
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Khalith

I’m surprised no one mentioned Firefall which took Neverwinter’s f2p model and improved on it.  In neverwinter you had gold, astral diamonds, and zen.  You could convert astral diamonds to zen and vice versa while gold was for buying potions and repairing gear.  In Firefall, you can convert the equivalent of gold in to the equivalent of astral diamonds and use those to buy the equivalent of zen.  You can get all the cash shop items solely through farming the equivalent of gold, no boring dailies for astral diamonds, those were the worst.

Caec
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Caec

The only way F2P is a good business model is if these companies took a lesson from other internet services (ie: Google) on how to leverage users to create revenue without implicitly charging said users. 
The current approaches to F2P are amateur hour and show a rather depressing lack of creativity/thought on behalf of the companies in the F2P video game space.

teppic
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teppic

BalsBigBrother I’d have deducted him a point for suggesting Trion having anything to do with another game :)

teppic
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teppic

I was surprised Neverwinter came up but I kind of agree, it doesn’t seem that bad. The game makes it extremely easy to earn astral diamonds (from level 5 skirmishes for example) and you could easily buy decent gear and crafting supplies from the AH with it — more so than I’ve seen in any other MMO I’ve played. And since there’s no sub (even an ‘optional’ compulsory one like ArcheAge’s) I wouldn’t mind spending a bit now and then for stuff other than lockboxes.

One thing I do hate though are the ‘LovesDolls97 has just won a Blow Up Doll from the Frozen Doll Boxes’ message, they’re horribly intrusive.

Tina Lauro
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Tina Lauro

BalsBigBrother  I couldn’t hear him at all for most of the show lolol! :D I have no clue why his audio wasn’t coming through to me. He’s just generally hilarious even without the freezes, so I missed out. ^.^

BalsBigBrother
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BalsBigBrother

So when are we kick starting a new internet package for Justin,  though I have to say some of the face freezes are hilarious :-) Good episode and a good subject to cover.