The Daily Grind: What is the greatest hoax or fake leak in all of MMORPG history?

    
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Hah, you thought this one was going to be about Daybreak. But it’s not. No, today’s Daily Grind was actually inspired by something Guild Wars 2 icon @that_shaman posted earlier this month. For curiosity’s sake, he linked to a rather old leak (not of his making, to be clear) from Guild Wars 2 supposedly of a very early version of the Sandswept Isles map. Only there was one problem: It turned out to be, as he put it, “a well timed and convincing fake,” as confirmed by ArenaNet.

“When that image came out, we panicked for a split second before taking a closer look,” ANet’s Linsey Murdock explained. “Sandswept Isles never looked like that during development. It was a good educated guess since the PoF map showed the cube (which did move during development) and a nicely done photoshop. Sorry to break it to you but that ‘leak’ was faked.”

Maybe it’s because my job demands we be laser-focused on the truth all the time, but stuff like this fascinates me. Why would anybody go to so very much trouble to anonymously craft and post a fake? What do they get out of it exactly? Who puts that much work into a troll that will eventually be outed? I dunno the answers. But I can sure see why the community (and even @that_shaman) fell for this one because I likely would’ve too.

What would you say is the greatest hoax or fake leak in all of MMORPG history?

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Mr Poolaty

LANDMARK

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rafael12104

Well… I’m going to say Landmark. Yes, probably not the best time to mention it, but I think EQN was a hoax.

Oh, it was real. I’m not arguing that it wasn’t. The hoax is that the game, given Daybreak’s management, was never going to be fully realized. It is easy to say now, but we should have expected it.

Instead, we were strung along. Their intentions in launching were to maybe grab some cash and lessen the blow, but after the cancellation of EQN, Landmark was not going to survive.

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Sashaa

Unfortunately, that would be my answer too.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Cant believe I once had high hopes for EQN.

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camelotcrusade

I remember false predictions more than actual falsehoods, especially if they were for a game I wanted to believe in. I can’t remember exactly what he said now (and I’m not finding it on Google) but I do remember a chirpy statement from a SWTOR dev about releasing all these new planets. That sounded exciting and amazing, but we only got a shadow of that. Instead they cut a lot of resources (*cough* people) after launch, a tragedy so common to development, and with those resources went many dreams that had already been shared (ship customization, anyone?).

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rafael12104

Very true. I understand the dreaming. Devs want to give us everything and they have their own expectations. But a good lead Dev keeps it all in check. You want the hype, but more importantly, you need to over deliver. That can’t happen if you promise the world.

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Eamil

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/99/1784/1600/pandaleak.jpg

This one stands out because it wasn’t really part of a greater hoax/leak. It was just one image that started floating around, and no one really knew where it came from. Yet this image, prior to the Burning Crusade release, fueled months and months of speculation. So many people were dead certain it was real and that Pandaren would be the new Alliance race, only for the Draenei announcement to prove them wrong.

Webcomic artist and art director for Slime Rancher and Spiral Knights Ian Mcconville later took credit for creating the fake Pandaren image.

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Sally Bowls

but stuff like this fascinates me. Why would anybody go to so very much trouble to anonymously craft and post …? What do they get out of it exactly? Who puts that much work into

Irony police here. I doubt that we Internet commenters, especially Internet game commenters, are the best judges of “why would anyone waste their time on” questions.

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Utakata

*Pigtails remember all those “leaked” fake patch note on the WoW forums that every commenter seemed to fall over back in the day*

…had to admit though, some of those where pretty tantalizing. o.O

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Utakata

Off-topic: The gaming community isn’t the only one to get hoodwinked by “alternative” news sourcing… O.o

https://gizmodo.com/winning-wildlife-photo-disqualified-because-of-suspecte-1825594611

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Oleg Chebeneev

In before army of trolls flood the topic with “Star Citizen is a hoax!!” spam.

..Damn, too late.

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i mean a pretty large fraction of “in engine” footage “of the game” produced by CIG over the past 6 years is entirely faked with no relation to the reality of the game either in internal development or in reality so it really is ripe for this topic with alot of examples to pick from.

you don’t still think that citcon pu demo i posted below was anything other than completely fake do you?

it’s funny, i still see people talk about divison e3 2013 trailer as if there was ever any downgrades or cut content when there wasn’t, while people still act like large chunks of the marketting materials produced by CIG for SC aren’t completely fake bullshot concoctions.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Yeeee, soo much fake considering that station showed in footage is already available in current alpha for all the players and lots of stuff from trailer exists in it.
Also CIG and Chris himself told million times that area around landing zone was scripted skybox before they actually implemented procedural cities last year. And actual procedural city demonstration from last Citizencon blows this old trailer out of the water.

So while other games show preview trailers with mind blowing graphics and then downgrade it at launch, with Star Citizen its exact opposite. Game looks better and better every year

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umm no nothing in that trailer except the connie herself has been kept around. there’s nothing in the game like in that trailer and the “gameplay” in teh trailer is nothing like anything that has ever been in the game.

and graphics technology and fidelity wise star citizen is looking more and more dated as things progress. it’s not that it’s ugly or anything but it’s not even as good looking as games released years ago now let alone games that will launch aroudn the time it does.

all of whichis beside the point.

the video was a complete fabrication. and that is more the norm than the exception for CIG’s “in engine/in game” footage reels which is why it’s relevant to this topic.

no one is here from something awful led by derek smart to tarnish the reputation of star citizen in the fucking daily grind bro.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Area 18 which is shown in 2014 trailer is not in game? Compare scene at 6:15 in old trailer with this 7:30 in this one: https://youtu.be/N7traSRfg_U?t=450

They obviously improved zone visually, but its still the same landing zone of ArkCorp with the same places of interest. There is even iconic Dumpers Depot shop in 2014 video which is still there now.

So what exactly is fabrication?

And lol @bashing graphics in Star Citizen. Even Derek wouldnt open his mouth about SC’s visuals and fidelity. They update visual quality constantly and in latest SQ42 AtV they showed some sick glass effects which I dont think any other game has.

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i can tell you’ve never been up close to any of the probe station things or asteroids or looked closely at teh planet surface.

massive polygons and nintendo 64 textures.

as usual oleg you demonstrate as loudly as possible that you don’t play the game at all

it’s pretty obvious the planetside walking around area while visually similar to the arccorp map that used to be in the game that they updated the assets for it.

you also don’ty seem to be aware arcorp was removed from teh game a while ago. while ignoring the fact that is’ just a small closed map with nothing relating to that 2014 video.

you don’t think any other game has glass “effects” like reflections and stuff? you raelly need to get your head out of your buibble and go play some games bro. start with star citizen, and work your way through the past 15 years of games that did the things star citzen has done before anyone else years after they became rather common. you know for context (and maybe for the sake of not looking so ignorant of the subject matter while working overtime on the victim complex you got going on there).

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Oleg Chebeneev

Just few months ago and its coming back with ArkCorp release planned in Q4 2018.

They showed Area 18. And this zone will be part of PU with places that were shown in 2014 still there. Like that big glass ball, Dumpers Depot and customs office.
They showed a ship which is in game already.
They showed flythrough above huge city. And with city procedural tech its exactly how it will be now. Except city now covers whole planet.

What was fabricated? Can you answer this simple question?

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idk why you keep deflecting from the fact that the demo is meant to show seemless mmo virtual world gameplay.

arccorp in game has never been that.

in 2014 the intent of the video by CIG was to fool backers about the state of internal development. the game was supposed to be going beta in a couple months as they had been assuring us everything was on track.

they showed this demo and told us that beta was pushed back but the video being meant to assure us everything was going well and lots of work done.

but it was completely fake in that regard.

how hard is it? did you think i was talking about fucking assets? we all know CIG has spent most of their development efforts on assets since day 1. no one was talking about that.

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Oleg Chebeneev

So the big hoax ure talking about is that 4 years ago CIG envisioned state of the game that they managed to achieve now?
Okey…

“and told us that beta was pushed back but the video being meant to assure us everything was going well and lots of work done”

And what makes you think they lied about it?

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because when this video was made and shown it wasn’t reflective of the state of development in any shape form or function AT THE TIME.

it was meant to mislead and decieve backers about the state of development AT THE TIME.

it mighthave been fine if they presented it as a proof of concept of where they want to go but they didn’t.

they presented it as the current state of the game internally. and that was simply not the case even remotely.

how hard is it comprehend this?

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Oleg Chebeneev

Can I ask, how this video didnt show state of development if after development process the game became exactly what was shown in that trailer?

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Oleg Chebeneev

Youre trapped in your imagination what devs meant and what they didnt mean. Keep speculating about it all you want. In reality they showed trailer with their vision what the game will be. And after years of development they nailed this vision.

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deekay_000

hey i’m not the one imagining things like “armies of trolls”.

you can jump through all the mental hoops you want,history doesn’t back up your arguments in the slightest.

it wasn’]t a “vision” of what they wanted to do. it was 110% presented as the state of development AT THE TIME.

how hard is this to grasp?

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Bruno Brito

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS DIAGRAMATION

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It’s been a very long time since i’ve see someone this hardheaded, Deekay.

It’s like a baker telling a client that their cake is on the way to be delivered, when in reality the baker hasn’t even gone to the store to get the ingredients yet.

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Utakata

I think dome folks have to realize that their is a difference between a hoax and something that’s potentially shady.

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Utakata

Edit/Erratum: I think *some folks have to realize that *there is…proper.

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Sally Bowls

Which is, IMO, unjust.

Hanlon’s Law: “Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.”

SC is spending far more money than a [well-run] hoax would. I see no reason to think they do not believe their statements/dates. Does not make them true, but it disqualifies them for fraud votes.

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deekay_000

top two things that come to mind on this topic:

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Schmidt.Capela

While the game isn’t a MMO, No Man’s Sky deserves being mentioned here too because at first the devs intentionally misled players into thinking they could interact seamlessly, which would have made it a MMO; the devs only admitted that there was no multiplayer after launch.

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Bruno Brito

The manifesto was a cheapshot hahahaha

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deekay_000

for a long time posting it on the official forums or gw2g were bannable offences XD

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Bruno Brito

Well, fuck Anet i guess.

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I think it’s unfair to characterize the GW2 Manifesto as a hoax. A manifesto itself is an aspiration, a goal, a “declaration of aims.”

You can’t be suggesting that they didn’t try to hit that. Yeah, they fell short but it was pretty obvious they at least gave their manifesto a solid run–they really tried.

Just … a missed goal is not a hoax.

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deekay_000

it’sa hoax because at teh time it was filmed and posted they were already actively developing away from parts of it.

while the rest of it was already finalized for launch and wasn’t even remotely the things they said in the video.

it wouldn’t apply here if it had come out early in development, but this video was posted literally weeks before launch and proved to be misleading to a comical degree on several of it’s major sales pitch points.

which is why i posted it. the people talking in the video would’ve been aware when filming the video that the words coming out of their mouths were a fiction.

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So, just saying here – video posted August 10, 2010. Game launched August 25, 2012. I mean, I guess that still qualifies as “weeks” before, just … 25 weeks.

2 years is a long time in the development cycle. Like I’ve said in the past, I’ve had features my teams have been developing we thought were going to be in the final product up until weeks before when we realized that it wasn’t going to work.

Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion here and I’m not going to be begrudge you it. Just from my perspective, it’s not a fair criticism. And I’m not a fanboy for the game. I really wanted to be, but it never engrossed me like I wanted it too. and I uninstalled it with the malware they installed.

So yeah, take my meager opinion for what it’s worth.

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much of what the game launched as was already finalized in 2010 too actually. source: core testing members and my own experience in closed testing.

they were still pushing the manifesto as their chief piece of advertising even after the game launch hence my mistake.

there’s also the fact they gaslighted their customer base over it after launch as well on multiple occasions.

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Bruno Brito

It missed every goal.

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Life_Isnt_Just_Dank_Memes

The easy answer would be Star Citizen, right? Like after year 3 when they realized they could just turn it into selling as yet unrealized digital art and physical goods for a product that is hard to nail down what exactly it is anymore.