Leaderboard: Are you up in arms over Black Desert’s cash shop?

Since the Black Desert beta opened up, the cash shop has been at the center of a gathering storm. While the game is ostensibly a buy-to-play MMO with an upfront box price, the cash shop looks a lot more like one for a purely free-to-play game, completely with storage for sale and costumes that run over $30.

Some players have argued that the cash shop isn’t particularly pay-to-win at all and that other games have expensive cash-shop items (consider Marvel Heroes’ bundles or Path of Exile’s $1000 custom weapon skin), never mind the trinkets you can pick up in a standard game Kickstarter campaign or the gambleboxes that nearly every MMO now vends.

Others say that the box price is a virtual rip-off that provides few benefits — and worse, that even if you don’t mind personally paying upwards of $32 for a costume, Daum may be shooting itself in the foot by running the game as an apparent pump and dump that will struggle once players wise up, tarnishing the game as well as the genre (consider Allods Online’s early cash-shop struggles and ArcheAge’s frequent debacles).

Daum told MMORPG.com that it is “closely monitoring the Closed Beta to ensure that each member of our community has a fair experience” in the game. “This begins with gameplay mechanics and reaches as far as our new monetization systems,” it says. “When we decided on a ‘Buy to Play’ model for Black Desert Online, it was with the players in mind. At Daum Games, we put players first and it’s our mission to ensure that players are given the value they expect when playing our games. We will continue to monitor and analyze the response from the community and thank you all for your participation and feedback.”

Let’s give ’em some feedback, then. What do you think? Where do you stand on Black Desert’s cash shop? (You can pick multiple responses to this poll.)

Where do you stand on Black Desert's cash shop?

  • I will avoid Black Desert because of the cash shop. (18%, 470 Votes)
  • I will avoid Black Desert because of the box fee. (5%, 122 Votes)
  • I don't have a problem with the prices in the cash shop. (7%, 176 Votes)
  • I don't have a problem with the box fee. (14%, 352 Votes)
  • I will play Black Desert, but I won't pay those cash shop prices. (27%, 688 Votes)
  • I'm waiting to see whether Daum addresses the outrage. (16%, 402 Votes)
  • I was never going to buy anything from the cash shop regardless. (7%, 179 Votes)
  • No opinion / elf butts. (7%, 188 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,930

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carson63000 Thanks Carson, you are correct.
And @kodimus – it’s not my job to give BDO feedback. Our articles and polls are for our community. :) If a studio gets something out of our polls, great, but that is not even remotely why we run them!

BigPun
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BigPun

AGx Well there are a few things that are wrong with your post:
1) You get +1 inventory space after about 15 quests, then 1 more, then 1 more, then 1 more, etc. So sure you can get inventory upgrades, but that’s not the point now is it? The point is that they purposefully limited starter inventory to frustrate the player JUST enough to make him check out that cash shop and make a purchase. How do I know this? Because I work for an MMORPG and this is the business mindset that plagues MMORPGs. Granted, it’s a model that works or they wouldn’t use it. 
2) I’m glad that you didn’t feel restricted (even though, by the very definition of the word, you were). It’s great that players don’t mind running from mob area to village, to mob area, to village, just so they can clear out their inventory. It also means that you didn’t make purchases of ‘tools’ that are available, and you also didn’t use those tools to gather the [numerous] crafting materials scattered throughout the world. While you likely decided ‘t’ was your friend and running back to the village was fun, I didn’t. 
3) “but you have to understand that they have to make money somehow” – are you serious? I shelled out $50.00 to the game. AAA titles are 49.99 – 59.99, and we’re talking about titles that DO have official servers running and don’t ever use a cash shop. It’s one thing if the game was $10-15 bucks and had a cash shop like the one it has, but it’s a whole new beast when the game charges 29.99 minimum, and $49.99 (for 3 extra items worth mentioning). So please don’t tell me “they have to make money” because they literally just did. 
To add, as of February 15th, they had sold 300k pre-orders of the game. Let’s just say every one of them purchased the smallest package of 29.99 – that’s 8.9 million dollars before the game ever even launched. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that the game is F2P in Japan, Korea, and Russia. It made $2m dollars in its first week opening in Korea back in 2014 just in cash shop sales. 
And you’re going to sit there and try to play passive-aggressive about these “poor developers” coming home to an empty refrigerator? Nah, you need to realize that this game has been a financial success since 2014 and continues to rake in millions. Also, should I mention the fact that it’s likely 35% of users purchased the 49.99 package and 10-15% purchased the 100.00 package? That means they raked in over 12m in pre-order sales for a game that has been online since 2014. lol. 
And you’re worried about them not making money? Wow. 
How about we talk about the fact that they, literally, exploited the wealth and impulsivity of Western nations (specifically the US) to make a huge cash grab. Now, I don’t say ‘cash grab’ in a bad way, because the game is well worth 50.00 – absolutely. And I wouldn’t even mind the small inventory, but what I have an issue with is the F2P prices in the cash shop for a game someone has to pay 30.00 just to play. 
So, sorry to burst you “poor indie developers gotta eat while they work on a beta game” bubble, but that’s simply not true.

AGx
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AGx

I’m sure you did fill it up but if that felt like a restriction to you and one that totally put you off, you either didn’t manage your inventory (along with city storage) well or didn’t play long enough to realize that it expands plenty through quest rewards. Sure, more space would have been nice but I, in no way, felt restricted by this and get along just fine.
To be fair, I understand your point but you have to understand that they have to make money somehow and they can’t count on the few that will buy vanity items to make up for the many that won’t. At some point they have to introduce things players will want to buy (even if you don’t have to) and inventory space looks like one of those things. The longer I play the more space I’m opening up as I quest but I can always take the shortcut and buy some more space. Don’t forget, having more space does nothing when you also have a weight limit so even then you’re going to have to store things until you train your strength to carry more weight.

BigPun
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BigPun

ayatesart Cyroselle P2W is a generic term, in my opinion. An item that gives a bonus in a game is only P2W for PvP players, imho. 
But for me, the issue with the cash shop is simple: I paid a AAA price for the game, filled my inventory in 20 minutes of game-time (seriously), check the cash shop only to find out the inventory space is such a joke – it probably is only for the character you purchase it on too. . . don’t know that for sure, but from the prices, it’s probably true. 
So to me, those artificial restrictions to milk players for every dime possible for the basic items are the same thing as the complaints for P2W. . . sure, no one is “winning” anything with more inventory, but the gameplay is certain affected by it, which is a problem for me.

BigPun
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BigPun

AGx dragoon0705 Hate to break it to ya’, but they’ve placed artificial restrictions in the game. The starter inventory is, what, 24? I filled my inventory up, literally, in 20 minutes. . . headed to the cash shop to see how much and started kicking myself for having just paid 50.00 for a game that didn’t bother to even give me inventory slots as a thank you for purchasing the high-tiered package. 
Ugh.

carson63000
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carson63000

Kodimus I don’t think the options are distinct and mutually exclusive. 
e.g. “I don’t have a problem with the prices in the cash shop” and “I don’t have a problem with the box fee” you might agree with one or the other or both. Also “I will play Black Desert, but I won’t pay those cash shop prices” could come either with or without a side order of “I was never going to buy anything from the cash shop regardless”.

Every poll comes with an “elf butts” option, its a Massively idiom, not a troll.

Kodimus
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Kodimus

Late to the party, but why are multiple options enabled? Each option is a clear opinion on the matter, and the last option tells me you’re not actually interested in giving them feedback–you just want to troll them.

Syl
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Syl

Shiodaman 
Agreed! But I think the problem is that other games have shown the majority of
f2p/b2p players never use the shop, no matter what. That means just
lowering the prices ikea style doesn’t matter and doesn’t help the
issue. They can now either go with a small percentage of players who
WILL pay high prices -or- they can go with medium pricing to catch a few
more – but that also means the players who WOULD pay higher prices, now
only pay medium (you can basically always count on this demography to
either pay less or more).Apparently lowering prices
doesnt make up for or match higher prices with less customers. So why
should they do it? And just not buying anything out of spite isnt gonna make the game
better, it will make it worse.

rob00
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rob00

Why? There is practically little on it aside from convenience items worth buying. The costumes while expensive are meh.

Kanbe
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Kanbe

Shamancard CathSunspear Sadly I think you’re exactly right. I see lots of complaints about it but I’ve also noted that some of the same people up in arms over this fully admit they’ll be buying at least 1 costume and enough pets to get tier 3 at launch because they want the bonuses no matter how ridiculous priced they are. Which means we’ll see no change in the end =/

ayatesart
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ayatesart

shak77 It’s subjective. Personally, I don’t consider leveling faster as P2W because I like to take my time. And for this game, I’d be more focused on PvE, so any PvP advantage(which sounds questionable, to begin with..) wouldn’t affect my gameplay. 

That being said, I didn’t pre-order partly because of those high prices and I’m still interested in buying, but cautiously so… 

I think Daum deserves a chance, still. We’ll see how things go post-launch.

shak77
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shak77

“… not particularly pay-to-win”?

A game should not be pay-to-win AT ALL!

ayatesart
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ayatesart

Shamancard CathSunspear I think this video does the best job of exploring whether BDO is P2W.

<iframe width=”560″ height=”315″ src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/CE4_BmH-Jng” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen></iframe>

Shamancard
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Shamancard

CathSunspear People (cash visa players) will buy all kind of advantages from cash shop like costumes with bonus/stats, ress potions, skills reset, pets, etc beacuse most of them come from Archeage, another pay2win, and know how its works.

CathSunspear
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CathSunspear

I have a feeling that lot of people would not buy anything other than extremely essential item (that would come within the pre-order 2500 pearls.) and ignore the cash shop until Daum come to their senses.

DeliriumStatus
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DeliriumStatus

Akami What will they do in the future? Well if they set the prices too high and people are unhappy with it, they will lower them. Oh wait….nvm you’re right! The only obvious response from them would be too make the items $100 each, add taxes on top of that, and make the items so they can 1 hit players that don’t give them all their money.

samariprime
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samariprime

Llokki samariprime ? awesome thanks

Shiodaman
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Shiodaman

The beautiful thing is if nobody pays the cash shop prices then they will start to drop until people start to buy more. If people buy items at their current price and the profits are there … then I imagine the prices will stay where they are at. I think getting “outraged” before hand is a waste of energy. The company is not forcing you to buy these things. If you do not like the prices then do not buy them. If you are ok with the prices, then buy them. If it makes you dislike the game then go play another game. This is what I do. Lots of options out there these days. : )

AGx
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AGx

dragoon0705 I kind of feel the same way. I’ll know for sure when I play (as I chose not to play the CBTs even though I pre-ordered). As long as the game doesn’t have any artificial restrictions in place that require purchases (such as B&S’s limited inventory space) then I don’t care. I’ll consider all the shop stuff extras that, if I enjoy the game enough, I’ll buy into once and a while. I mean, I played FFXI for years on a subscription that’s well over $100/yr and I’d gladly pay it again if it were remastered so why shouldn’t I be willing to spend on a new costume once or twice a year? If I like the game I’ll support it.

VencislavSimonov
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dragoon0705 I did not open the CS at all. I found out that it was available after the cbt2 end. Yet once I saw the videos on youtube addressing the CS prices I went WFT???

Llokki
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Llokki

Shamancard Care to offer some proof for these assertions, or are you just spouting ignorant gibberish? Because I have very different information. Res potions have very limited application in PvP, when they’re not blocked altogether, and are thus more of a PvE convenience item (and BDO is certainly not the first MMO to have such an item, so I have no idea why you’re even listing them as a point of contention). Pets are not OP, not sure what makes you think they are—they autoloot on a timer and give you small convenience buffs (but sure, throw your cat at an enemy next time you get attacked and see how much difference it makes). Daum have specifically stated that cash shop items will not be tradeable, so unless they go back on their word that’s also a BS claim.
And finally, failed in Korea and Russia? Says who? From everything I’ve heard and read, it’s quite popular and successful. The unfinished game bit made me scratch my head too…like, really??

Llokki
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Llokki

samariprime “You can obtain Costumes ingame through Costume Workshop housing units.” Source: http://www.blackdeserttome.com/wiki/Costumes

Llokki
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Llokki

Shamancard Denice J Cook /facepalm

dragoon0705
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dragoon0705

It seems like people did not have the chance to play this game, or the first thing they did logging in was open up the pearl shop. Regardless of the fact that there are no P2W items on the cash shop yet(i say yet but you never know) The prices are high….But you don’t care when you play. 

BDO is a game that brought back the feeling i got when i played my first MMO. That feeling of wonder and the ability to just get lost in its massive living world. Little details here and there like Back up into a wall has you lean against it or Slicing tall grass actually cuts it down. Or being able to honestly go in every building in the massive City Calpheon. Or just getting lost up in the mountains. It is one of those games that is easy to get lost in the journey.

 Even if people don’t stick with it in the long haul due to cash shop woes. If they are fans of this genre they will be doing them self a strong disservice by not playing this game and seeing what a real Next gen MMO can be. Some players will abuse things they can pay cash for, sure. But don’t worry about them…Enjoy the game because its a freaking game. People seem to forget that, that is what these worlds are. if they want a competitive game with NO ability to give yourself an edge via cash shop items they should play MOBA’s or RTS’s. Stop trying to make MMO’s into something they are not.

Grishnakk
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Cyroselle 
The thing is, the costume stats are not even close to game breaking or P2W – While 10% Exp might sound like a lot – It is for combat XP only. When you consider your characters overall power level comes primarily from Gear, then Level, Skill Points, Contribution points (needed to invest to upgrade said gear), it is really only a minor upgrade in overall efficiency compared to someone who didn’t buy the costume, you’d be maybe 1% better off over a very long period of time.
Same goes with the Stamina buff for the weapon costume skins – 100 Stam is a lot at low level, but considering the total stam pool once leveled and geared up, combined with the stamina regeneration rate, it becomes only a very slight advantage once again.
Honestly my only complaint is the prices of the cash shop. The minor buffs it provides are good incentives for min/maxers and the pretty costumes are good incentives for cosmetic players, so you’ll get sales from both sides of the coin, which is a great sales tactic. People just don’t understand the game systems deep enough and cry P2W at the sight of any numbers on a cash shop item, when its clearly just pay for a slight advantage. 
I still have faith in Duam though, they’ve reacted to feedback so far very well on many things (admittedly not all) so there is still hope yet.
We will see though, praying to the MMO god’s that this won’t turn out to be Archeage 2.0 (Fk you Trion, what happen to you guys since Rift!).

Shamancard
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Shamancard

Denice J Cook More you pay then more advantages you get, as community like and ask in forums, so thats why Archeage kids and visa players will join in Black Desert community.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

ayatesart Cyroselle It’s pretty subjective actually, stat items and bag space might be P2W to others, but not to you personally. I didn’t mean for my comment to be one that spoke for everyone, sorry. :)
I sincerely do hope that Duam listens to the fan. 
I also hope they lower the IP restrictions so that I can at least have the /option/ of buying the game and playing with my friends back in the ‘states from where I currently live.

Denice J Cook
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Denice J Cook

I probably would have tried this if it weren’t for the cash shop kerfuffle.  Now I’m hesitant enough that I’ll wait until it goes F2P.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Yup, the default layout is for click-to-move, so moving info panes around can really help out.
Though, IMO having the UI in WASD mode at default for the NA version might be a better idea for launch.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

It’s pretty much what I was afraid it might be the moment I saw their very very pretty character creator: a very good looking game where you can make a gorgeous character and play in a beautiful seamless world, but have poor player agency, shoddy play customization choices, weak skill trees/modding and run-of-the-mill Korean MMO combat.
I hear the conversation minigame is pretty good though, but my Japanese language (or Korean for that matter) skills suck too hard to make head or tails of it from where I have to play from.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

P2W is just a general catch-all phrase. “Winning” is purely subjective. If a person decides an XP boost is going to allow them to ‘win’, that’s up to them.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Best.gif.ever.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

They should just do what some other games have done before: turn collision detection off in towns only. Additionally it helps to phase the town: 1,000 player characters in town become 100 player characters per phase in town, unless already in a group.
Have collision detection turn on again after an easement zone surrounding the town. Don’t mark this zone as to discourage roadblock griefing.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

That’s usually the first thing I do in a new game as well. I curse games that don’t let us customize chat properly. I hope BDO gets that sorted out for you.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

This isn’t a forum, it’s a gaming news blog comment section, but I otherwise agree with your points. However depending on how Duam monitors handle they’re forum posts, multiple threads might be necessary.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

The game so far feels like a super long tutorial over here on the Japanese edition. I had to push out into areas that were way over level to get b any challenge out of regular mobs. There are some sort of support elites though, but their health pools seem to be untouchable by my attacks and they have nasty rage mechanics… They seem to be balanced for parties.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Hell, at least Blizzard has items on their cash shop that distribute some of the profits to charity. $30 is just plain greedy.
The $1,000 cosmetic item in Path of Exile that there above article mentions, BTW – that cost is so you can work with the Grinding Gears design team to custom make your own. It’s a pretty unique idea, and there are actually some items in the game as unique drops that have come from such past efforts.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Yup, that would set off the warning klaxons in my head too.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Honestly they should just call a spade a spade and label them as ‘boost items’.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I’m seeing that a lot in more recent games and I agree, I don’t like it either. I prefer it when I can change out: helm, collar/shoulder, torso, bracers, gloves, pants/skirts, greaves/shoes and an optional tabard, badge or cape. I also like having the freedom of using different weapons or at least appearances. And there are plenty of older games that allow me to do this, some with smaller budgets and much lower technology.
As good as the Character Creator can be, when seen at a distance (such as whatever camera zoom feels most comfortable for you to play in) the striking details boil down to skin color, hair color, style and costuming.
I would really prefer more granular control of how my characters look.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

If that 9% has a ready supply of disposable income you might be right.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

I’ve been playing the Japanese beta and I do indeed like the open world! I hope that Duam doesn’t shoot their own feet off for their official release!

ayatesart
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ayatesart

Cyroselle What am I missing here? What exactly is P2W about the items in the shop? 

I consider the costume buffs and looting pets to all be convenience items. They are definitely overpriced, but I believe I can still enjoy the game without them. Didn’t they listen to fans before and made significant changes?  Maybe, they’ll lower the prices, too.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

Yeah, I actually don’t mind buying cosmetics at all, so I’m with you on this one. Cosmetics with stats…. That’s a little janky, but costumes in general are fine with me and I’ve managed to spend about $500 over a spread of three games purely on costumes so far.
If the price is right, there’s a decent wardrobe system in place and I feel like I’m getting good value for my money then will buy something that might make my character a little more fun to look at.
If however the developers prices are too high, they use cynical marketing practices, or issue obvious lip service like the Duam statement in the article above, they can go die in a fire for all I care – they’ve already lost me at that point.

Cyroselle
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Cyroselle

As I’m living in Japan and I’m therefore IP blocked from the NA beta anyway, and possibly the retail version as well, I might not even /have/ the option to buy the English Localized version of BDO.
However, even if I could, the cash shop antics have already left me disgusted enough not to buy. If it’s going to be a B2P, what I expect is for it to be on par with my other B2P games, such as ESO or TSW. In those games cash shops do indeed exist, but they are very much *not* P2W, and the prices are not the equivalent of sawed off body parts.
I like the B2P model a lot, I prefer it to F2P and even my former gold standard, P2P as there’s no perceived obligation to play every month. But I cannot stand such ostentatious cash milking, especially right out of the gate like this. “We put the players first”… Yeah right!

Arrobee
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Arrobee

I have absolutely no skin in this game. But I chuckled reading your post. Makes you understand how infuriating it can be for PvPers when a game tacks on a bad PvP experience.

Lhumierre
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Lhumierre

Lethality You also have to BUY Black Desert.

samariprime
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samariprime

It’s a digital item too pricey! You dont even get to use it in real life, or see it. It’s only in game and paying 30 plus already preordered the game is ridiculous. If it’s buy to play I should at least have access to some other outfits. Damn They could learn from GW2 -.- Or have something such as currency exchange to exchange ur silver to to whatever real life cash coin they use in game -.-

Shamancard
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Shamancard

Costumes with stats & bonus aka cosmetics, ress potions, OP pets and seems cash shop isnt fully yet (till you cant refund money) also cash shop items can be tradeable in a future. Basically we are gonna pay for a free game with almost same cash shop.
My arms are not up beacuse i didnt preorder an unfinished game (wich failed in korea and russia) without any idea about what kind of cash shop have.

Grishnakk
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Grishnakk

I’m 100% fine with the small, pay-for-advantage stats on the cash shop items as Duam are a business and need to make money, and stats are attractive to some people but as far as the baseline costs go, they are absurd! 
They’ve really only got a small window not to royally screw this up and I honestly hope they don’t. Archeage already ruined my dreams of following it for years, I hope that BDO does not do the same via insane pricing and/or potentially introducing P2W items to the shop like Trion did.

I’d happily pay half the current price and buy several costumes and/or pets but with the current prices not a chance I’ll get more than a few base essentials. Especially considering one costume is a good $47 AUD at the moment – The cost of a new set of clothes in real life. Don’t drop the prices, they will be lucky to get $50 from me on top of the preorder – Drop the price by half and I could see myself spending a good $150-$200 over time easily.

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