Make My MMO: Star Citizen’s procedural cities, Camelot Unchained’s beta tester rewards (October 28, 2017)

    
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Ever wanted to walk around on Coruscant? Star Citizen may be granting your wish, or at least a solid approximation. During this weekend’s CitizenCon, Cloud Imperium’s Chris Roberts demoed a slice of the persistent universe mechanics, showing off detailed cityscapes and procedural generation at work on planetary surfaces. It’s truly stunning for sure, especially in conjunction with Roberts’ announcement that the studio will be switching to a “date-driven content release schedule,” and it’s taken the backer community’s mind off of the 3.0 alpha (still in Evocati testing) and Squadron 42 (more news promised in December) as people pour more money into the game (163M and counting now).

Meanwhile, Camelot Unchained delivered a new chunk of its beta doc with its “plans for making the rest of Alpha and then Beta 1 a much more fun and rewarding activity than it has been to date.” Specifically, CSE is implementing what it’s calling “The Dragon Circle,” a proper testing framework featuring focused tests and weekend siege events that will reward beta participants with everything from “temporary cosmetic items to permanent items, tier upgrades, and even cash rewards.”

In other MMO crowdfunding news, City of Titans showed off its animation blending, Valiance Online teased its latest update, Richard Garriott threw shade on EA’s historical business practices, and Pantheon surprised MMO players with it hefty price on pre-alpha testing.

Read on for more on what’s up with MMO crowdfunding over the last couple of weeks and the regular roundup of all the crowdfunded MMOs we’re following.

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Campaigns and crowdfunded MMOs we’re watching

3001SQ (Société des Mondes Virtuels) – Kickstarter unsuccessful. Work continues.
AdventureQuest 3D (Artix Entertainment) – Raised 368k; beta began Oct 2016.
Albion Online (Sandbox) – Launched July 2017.
Antraxx (Team Antraxx) – Kickstarter canceled.
Ascent: The Space Game (Fluffy Kitten Studios) – Successful KS. Fully launched 2016.
Ashes of Creation (Intrepid Studios) – Successful KS.
Broke Protocol (Cylinder) – Unsuccessful KS. In free early access.
Camelot Unchained
(City State) – Kickstarter successful; open donations/packages.
Caribbean Conquest (Invenio) – First KS canceled, second ended unsuccessfully.
Contested Space (Zon)
Crowfall (ArtCraft) – Kickstarter win, open packages, Indiegogo crowdfunding ongoing.
Chronicles of Elyria (Soulbound) – Kickstarter successful, open packages.
Citadel of Sorcery (MMO Magic, Inc.) – Open donations.
City of Titans (Missing Worlds Media) – Successful KS; launch planned for fall 2018.
Descent Underground (Descendent Studios) – Successful KS.
Divergence Online (Stained Glass Llama) – Three campaigns; now in KS early access.
Dogma: Eternal Night
(Prelude Games Factory): Kickstarter overdonor preorder packs.
Dragon of Legends (Thrive Games) – Successful Kickstarter.
Dual Universe (Novaquark) – Kickstarter funded, now has donor platform. Pre-alpha.
Eco (Strange Loop Games) – Funded, now in alpha.
Edengrad (Huckleberry Games) – Kickstarter funded; in early access.
Elite: Dangerous (Frontier Developments) – Funded and launched.
Empyrion Online (Eleon) – Kickstarter canceled; launched on Steam early access.
Epic Space (EpicSpace.net)
Ever, Jane (3 Turn Productions) – Now in open beta.
Global Adventures (SubaGames) – Kickstarter funded.
Gloria Victis (Black Eye Games) – Open donations, no end date; in early access.
Greed Monger (Greed Monger) – Abandoned, multiple times now.
Grim Dawn (Crate Entertainment) – Funded and launched.
Guardians of Ember (Runewaker) – Funded and launched.
Guns of Icarus (Muse) – Funded and launched.
Hero’s Song (Pixelmage) – KS canceled; Indiegogo. Canceled w/ refunds.
Infinity: Battlescape (I-Novae Studios)
HEX (HEX Entertainment) – Funded and launched.
Legends of Aria (Citadel Studios) – Kickstarted as Shards Online. Alpha ended.
Life is Feudal (Bitbox): Indiegogo ended. Currently in beta.
LUX (Chimera) – Kickstarter canceled.
Maestros of the Anthymn (String Theory) – Kickstarter canceled.
Mekria (Infinity Online Studios) – Kickstarter canceled.
Midair (Archetype Studios) – Kickstarter successful.
Nebula Online (Mizar Games) Kickstarter canceled; launched in November.
Neo’s Land (NeoJac Entertainment) – Open donations, no end date.
Novus AEterno (Taitale Studios)
OrbusVR (Ad Alternum) – KS funded March 2017.
Overpower (Hydrant Games) – Kickstarter unfunded; heading to early access.
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen (Visionary Realms) – Open donations, no end date.
Pathfinder Online (GoblinWorks) – Doom, mostly.
Planet Nomads (Craneballs) – Kickstarted, early access launched sans multiplayer.
Pixel Starships (SavySoda)
Project Gorgon (Elder Game) – Kickstarted in three tries + Indiegogo. In alpha.
Pumpkin Online (Monique) – Downgrading from MMORPG.
The Exiled (Fairytale Distillery) – fka Das Tal; 2015 KS unsuccesful. In Steam early access.
The Realm: Reawakened (Stephen Nichols) – Ongoing GoFundMe.
The Repopulation (Idea Fabrik) – Kickstarted twice by A&B. Back in alpha
ROKH (Darewise) – Kickstarter canceled; now in early access.
RUiN (Tarhead Studio) – Kickstarter successful.
The Stomping Land (Alex Fundora) – Abandoned.
Sacrament (Ferocity Unbound) – Kickstarter failed; Patreon ongoing.
Shadow’s Kiss (Clockwork Throne) – Ongoing Patreon.
Shroud of the Avatar (Portalarium) – Successful KS. Soft launch July 2016.
Star Citizen (Cloud Imperium) – Ongoing donations/packages.
TUG (Nerd Kingdom) – In middle of year-long revamp after funding surge.
Vigor Roads (NeuronHaze) – Kickstarter unsuccessful; early access planned for 2017.

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primal

The jealousy of people is delicious.

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Reselect Name

SC looks awesome as usual. But its going to be a loooooooooooooong time before its done.

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April-Rain

Why do we keep getting promising eye candy from SC but they still not have supplied nothing but a buggy tech demo?

It just seems like the old snake juice seller from wild west, a tonic to cure all but it actually cures nothing and may kill you.

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April-Rain

Re-done the original image to make more fitting

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Rhime

LOL what? Obviously you didn’t watch any Citizencon over the weekend. Get your shit straight before posting this kind negative verbal vomit. If you hate the game that’s fine, but don’t crap on it with nonsense.

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April-Rain

I watched it and is what you saw playable – NO, I am entitled to my own opionion and if you dont like it then dont read it

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Rhime

You clearly saw what you wanted to see because what we all saw was not at all the “buggy” demo you claim it was and I did see one person playing it live so I’m call me stupid, but that means it is playable. Who doesn’t like eye candy?;)

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April-Rain

The current playable game is a buggy tech demo I am sorry you got your wires crossed.

I have played a fair bit of and for 5/6 years work its a total mess and pretty embarrasing for the amount of people working on it.

As for the demo we saw at citizencon, it really did look amazing and of course it would and if it was from any other game i would be going crazy.

But no its yet more of the carrot on the stick for the whales and wont be seen in SC for years up on years with the current track record it may never be in game unless the tech is licenced out which i suspect will be the end result.

So carrot on a stick, snake oil seller are similar things I hope now you understand my point, I look forward to the next SC presentation for yet more eye candy which again will be lacking in substance.

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Rhime

Nice to have inside knowledge on SC’s development… As for the clarity on what we can expect from the game, I would say it is as advertised. Push backs on development deadlines happen. Patience is warranted, but expectations on release not so much.

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Hebel

Your buggy tech demo has more content than some AAA games.

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April-Rain

and which triple A games are that? Have you played said tech demo because I have and if I played a AAA game in that condition I would be asking for a refund.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Great presentation, fantastic tech. Overal the best CitizenCon so far. I enjoyed not only Chris’ keynote, but also Ivo’s presentation of walking through obstacles tech, talks about Xi’An and art of planets panel.
SC community after CitizenCon:

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edangerous

This graphic sums things up perfectly.

Star Citizens are saying “We don’t care about 3.0 anymore, our interest is now on some undetermined patch getting further away from us as we speak.”

Good one.

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Oleg Chebeneev

We just know everything about 3.0 now, and ofc people are anticipating whats coming next

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cmdr_cotic

3.0 is what’s coming next, there’s only a few people that have access to it right now.

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Oleg Chebeneev

Btw speaking of good graphics..

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cmdr_cotic

Oh great bait mate….
You know what I see here, a comparison between a city in a playable game and a city in a prototype demo. I like that they have to use a shot from a 2 year old build as well. Nothing like being honest with the facts is there :)

Here’s one for you.

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Hebel

Star Citizen

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zeko_rena

That poor bastard is only using a DK1, it must look like crap :(

Not sure why everyone started showing projectors and stuff, I mean I used to play pretty much anything on a triple monitor setup, it is nothing special :)

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primal

ED is still no where on the same level as SCs cities because they have to make sure it runs on the xbox 1 as its lowest system so there massively hampered right there

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cmdr_cotic

Once again, selling dreams of tomorrow instead of delivering on the promises of last year. Why are people suckers for such an obvious tactic?

You know what I find odd? That none of the fans seem to be talking about the content/gameplay which was meant to be coming in 3.1 – 4.0

Why were they showing off a procedural city instead of showing off working jump points or the whole Stanton system or proper gameplay for any of the professions, mining, quantum interdiction, farming, rescue, exploration and discovery, science and research etc? Those were all things they announced at last year’s Citizencon and were meant to be coming in 2017 but where are they? Why are they not showing any of those things in a functioning game build?

Instead we see a tech demo for procedural cities, cool enough in itself but once again it’s advertising something that is in the future rather than focusing on what should be available now.

Taken from https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/384948-Star-Citizen-Discussions-v7?p=6081120&viewfull=1#post6081120

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Oleg Chebeneev

Its easier to awe crowds with tech demo. And they did show missions system before. Mining is probably not yet ready to show but it is heavily in the works. Some other gameplay mechanics are still early in development.
They talk alot about gameplay stuff in their weekly podcasts

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Hebel

It comes from the Elite Dangerous Forum, surprice…
CR already has delivered 60% of the promised Stretch Goals, the problem is that it takes much more time than he has estimated.

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cmdr_cotic

It comes from the Elite Dangerous Forum, surprice…

And that somehow means they don’t have a point?

CR already has delivered 60% of the promised Stretch Goals, the problem is that it takes much more time than he has estimated.

60% of the stretch goals… uh huh, that sounds genuine.

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Hebel

Yep.

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zeko_rena

Yeah not sure where the high horse is over on the FDev forums.
Elite is a decent game and I play it often but it has had FUCK all in terms of decent content this year.

This last patch was just a joke, the only thing in it that I ever notice is a pretty new interface for the livery section.

“Oh but its slowly being released”
Yeah community grind goals to unlock weapons woopiedo

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primal

There probably talking about SC so much cus they have nothing to do in there own game

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cmdr_cotic

Funny that you and a couple others have to resort to childish tribalism because you have nothing to refute the actual comment.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

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Oleg Chebeneev

Sorry Schlag, but Chris milking whales thematic grew old, especially under video where they showed such impressive tech and development.

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Schlag Sweetleaf

Not milked Oleg, devoured.

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Armsbend

Francisco Goya – Saturn Devouring His Son

sorry Schlag I stared at the painting trying to remember it’s source for a few minutes before it dawned on me – thought I’d help a fellow traveler out :)

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Schlag Sweetleaf

In the Mo of old, I believe you posted the original. Made a permanent impression on me. Thematically , you can plug a lot of into it.

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Armsbend

Such a fantastic, surreal and disturbing artist. I really need to brush up on him.

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Siphaed

Scripted tech demo. I was waiting for someone to jump off the space station and burn up in the atmosphere trying to reach the “planet” the were just on. Nope.

No crashing a ship.

No interaction with NPCs or other moving objects in the game’s world.

Nothing outside a roller coaster tech demo made to look cool and sell more stuff. Disappointing all around.

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primal

if you jumped off the ISS how long do you think it would take for the planet to pull you to earth and burn you up?

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rafael12104

163 million in player funded contributions? I know this includes all those ships, but damn! No pressure there. Holy sshnikees. If they don’t deliver… oh my.

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zeko_rena

I was blown away by the Keynote, that planetwide city was amazing, and the tech they use to build it looks fantastic.

I was losing some hope in SC, but after watching that keynote I am pretty hyped for it again, looking forward to 3.0 and beyond!

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ichi sakari

probably the most impressive CitCon so far, the ‘gamechanger’ mechanics of the Pioneer and base-building combined with the procgen urban environments

it’ll be harder and harder for the trolls and FUDs from here on out, but that won’t keep them from trying (its gotten pretty humorous at times with all of the salt in here, so I don’t really mind the same few posting the same shit over and over, its kind of funny in a sad way)

and while we’re at it, I found some of the comments pointed at MoP this week about clickbait and snark to be pretty unwarranted, Bree does a pretty fair job of covering SC

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Armsbend

Lol, you serious?

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ichi sakari

cross my heart

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Armsbend

No news out of the con was especially impressive. 2018 will reap more dividends than ’17 for good reason to mock Star Citizen and it’s backers. And 2017 was a banner year for mocking – the year people began to flip to the truth and even some of the most ardent knights suddenly went dark and silent. 2018 is going to be a delicious disaster. Not as exciting because everyone knows now, but delicious none-the-less.

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Joe Blobers

Quote Armsbend:”and even some of the most ardent knights suddenly went dark and silent”

Went dark and silent? Did you read Reddit news about CitizenCon which did revigorate even the less vocal backers?

But you probably refer to the most ardent troll againt SC? RIP Astormaproach and few others alts and their fake refunds, even if they still try to believe there is any echo to their obfuscation campaign, the Clown and anon source and prophecies of collapse 90 days top, now litteraly meltding down on Twitter… :)

Citizencon show did prove to nay-sayers that Backers with a goal and talented team can make what is said to be impossible.

3.0 is at weeks and or if you prefer months (we do not ca because quality stay) of backers hands, not years or never (thanks to Evocati for their dedication!) and 2018 is going to give way more contents, thanks to delta patcher and uptodate production pipelines.
The truth has never been on troll side, ever. You can keep a negative attitude and mock what have been done, you won’t stop a +600.000 backers train with such dedication and talented team.

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zeko_rena

Did you see a certain internet warlords feed desperately claiming there was no gameplay?

He is so entertaining.
I can only see snippets from google of his mad ramblings on twitter though as he blocked me :(

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Armsman

Did you see a certain internet warlords feed desperately claiming there was no gameplay?

Yeah, it was pretty telling that his twitter feed went silent for 5 hours post tech presentation when usually he’s giving his play by play ‘vaporware’. pretty hard to criticize something that didn’t crash or really glitch once for over a full hour.

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edangerous

No need for this at all. Just ignore him if you don’t like his opinions.

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ichi sakari

its true, ’17 was a banner year for trolls and FUDs, CIG fed them with some (IMO) poor community/expectation management. You predict that will continue, I think it will change.

I can’t speak for others, but I’ve found it fruitless, almost to the point of ridiculousness, to try to have a civil discussion about the game in here.

When I do post its (usually) about my hopes for a game, not, as you said so eloquently, to mock those who wish this game success.

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Armsbend

Personally I’m not trying to be fruitful – I don’t benefit one way or another. I just hate the fact that people and the industry are getting ripped off. So I call it out when I can. And it isn’t going to stop anytime soon because it will get worse before it gets better imo.

But to think this con suddenly will silence everyone is nuts.

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zeko_rena

Are you saying I am getting ripped off because I backed SC?

There are a lot of released AAA titles out that I feel ripped off over that have not met any of what they promised.

I can’t say if I have been ripped off with SC or not until the product is released, or until it crashes and burns.

What level would you have to have backed to be ripped off at as well, would a $45 backer be in the ripped off bracket, or only $200 and up?

Or have I totally misinterpreted this post which with how bored I am right now at work is entirely possible (80% asleep)