The most popular MMORPG conversations of 2015

One of my favorite things to do every year is look through Livefyre and round up the articles that you guys just would not stop talking in. So let’s have a meta-look at the top 10 posts of the year 2015, by number of comments — and commenters.

Top posts by comments

Top posts by participants

Reflection

Right away, it’s clear that the Star Citizen/Derek Smart drama dominated the year in terms of what people really wanted to talk about — and when I say talk, I mean rage for days. The posts on the drama attracted a lot of veteran Massively OP readers as well as those who normally don’t step outside Reddit.

That said, World of Warcraft’s Legion expansion announcement still brought the most comments (1422) on the whole, which is unsurprising given just how many people still play and how many more used to and might again.

WildStar’s free-to-play conversion was a major topic for commenters as well, no doubt because its original business model was so contentious and its “cupcake” machismo was a bit of a turnoff.

Guild Wars 2 was done no favors by its prepurchase fiasco this past summer, though it’s a squabble I suspect most of you have long since forgotten!

Daybreak’s layoffs were aftershocks. The Star Trek Online story is just depressing.

Finally, there were a few general Daily Grinds that unexpectedly went viral. One was literally an open thread for complaining about everything you hate about the MMO genre, and it was glorious. And the other one was more or less a who’s-who of the dedicated Massively community. /salute to you.

So 1422 is your number to beat next year, folks. Make it happen! In the meanwhile, stay tuned for a follow-up piece going into the popular posts by pageviews — it’s quite the contrast.

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PaganRites
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PaganRites

Derek Smart, what a total noob.

Cleannternet
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Cleannternet

mmonerd like dust and mud but we do not really care because we are looking for the sky.

Lethality
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Lethality

ManastuUtakata Lethality breetoplay deekay_zero Armsman That’s actually precisely how it works with trolls… you ignore them and they go away. He is all blow and no job.

Also, swapping out just 2 words: “As Star Citizen’s success could gain traction and could have positive repercussions on how /kickstarters are funded in the future, for example.”

The difference between that and your statement is that one is happening, and the other one is not. You cannot draw any reasonable conclusions that Smart has, can or will have any effect on Star Citizen any more than the ham sandwich I am eating right now. They carry the  same weight.

I’m not trying to be an ass. There are a million things that “could” impact Star Citizen… and none of the are newsworthy until they actually do. That’s my point.

ManastuUtakata
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Lethality ManastuUtakata breetoplay deekay_zero Armsman 
That wasn’t what I claimed. Rather that is an example of not taking someone seriously when they should be. As Smart’s alleged lawsuit could gain traction and followed through, could have negative repercussions on how /kickstarters are funded, for example.
Not to mention, simply ignoring Smart will not make him go away, let alone reduce his significance. It really doesn’t work that way. /shug

ManastuUtakata
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ManastuUtakata

Rumm 
…pink ones, actually. <3

Lethality
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Lethality

ManastuUtakata Lethality breetoplay deekay_zero Armsman Hehe, no. Dick Short is not running for president of Star Citizen. He has not and can never have any affect on the game. Therefore he is irrelevant and any news about him should in no way ever be correlated as Star Citizen news.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

Rumm <Does crappy 80’s robot dance> “Does not compute……Mouse no longer functional…..Add more cheese error……..Ram escaped from pen”.

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

Darkwalker75 breetoplay ManastuUtakata Agreed. With all due respect to Mr Jacobs, I think Bree’s responses on here win hands down over everyone.  Her little impromptu sparring matches with Skippy are quickly becoming something of legend :)

rioinsignia
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Caec SoMuchMass
Thing is, I’m willing to bet that there isn’t an MMO out there that IS
managed “correctly”.  After all, what we (the players) may think are
sound ideas and ways of thinking, may not actually be that way in
truth.  And this is why being so “transparent” so early on is a double
edged sword.
Skippy has no actual valid arguments anymore because
he admitted he’s trolling. And validity his arguments had died after
the first blog when spent the majority of it talking about him and his
games, and then claims CIG “made it personal” by giving him a refund. 
This is why, in my opinion, saying that Derek is “a bit extreme” is like
saying the Klu Klux Klan are “a bit racist”.
As for the
criticisms raised by others, I do agree that there are some valid ones. 
For instance, CR is very ambitious, and that could ultimately lead to
this blowing up in his face.  But then, his ambition stands just as much
chance to drive him forward to completing what he set out to do,
against the calls that it can’t be done by people such as Skippy. 
Thankfully, it seems that CR’s brother Erin is making some good
decisions (if we believe that he was the one who decided to redistribute
the workloads).
Also, CIG could end up making some really bad
decisions on the gameplay, causing it to be a ultimately classed as a
dud.  I guess we’ll have to wait and see.  it’s a bit early to make such
calls yet, in my opinion.  This is why I smile when I see people like
Skippy grabbing the pitchforks and the rope

rioinsignia
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rioinsignia

ManastuUtakata I suspect that with every update that is released for Star Citizen / SQ42, his “presence” in regards to that subject diminishes substantially, ultimately resulted in him only having an audience on his twitter account, or in the SA forums…..oh…..that’s happened already…..

Rumm
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Rumm

Manastu uses bots for likes confirmed.

Closet crier
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Closet crier

breetoplay Damonvile 
Maybe the commenters would stay if all the petty name calling was actually moderated, instead of idea’s being squashed here.

Darkwalker75
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deekay_zero Armsman 
“and just about no one else cares about any of that.”
I’m curious, how do you know what others do and do not care about?
Unless hey actually told you that, I don’t see how you can know this.

Darkwalker75
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breetoplay ManastuUtakata squidgod2000 
I would not worry too much about that moderator tag.
I think its more important to look at what was said rather than who said it when giving a comment a like

Ripsnorta
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Geoff Dassad Ripsnorta vicariousfan ashfyn Secretary of State?

Geoff Dassad
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Caec SoMuchMass I’d like to think most people understand they are valid arguments that could be made against SC and also in favour of publishers.
I’m in a weird position of agreeing with a fair number of concerns that Smart discussed in his original blog. The problem I have with him now though, is instead of following on with discussions about those valid concerns, he’s spreading crap and mis-information while seemingly trying to take on the role of SC’s publisher.

Geoff Dassad
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Ripsnorta vicariousfan ashfyn But then what would his hair do?

ManastuUtakata
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Lethality breetoplay deekay_zero Armsman 
Because he could?
This is like saying Trump will never be President, as no one could take him seriously to elect him as such…so he’s irrelevant. Yet he’s riding high in many polls…so he could. Making him very relevant.

ManastuUtakata
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Skyewauker breetoplay deekay_zero 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart
He’s been around for sometime as well as his shenanigans…even long before the Massively IP. Because you didn’t know him before his SC nonsense, doesn’t mean he was not well known in the gaming industry already.

Vikingr
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It’s certainly been an interesting year here on MOP. The noise around Star Citizen has been exhausting, at times. David Braben said it best: 
“It is frustrating to see some of the criticism of Star Citizen online.
We should applaud when someone tries something that is hard, that hasn’t
been done, not discourage them.”
Congrats to MOP for establishing a clear footprint in the games press and for a successful first year! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you!

Vikingr
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deekay_zero 
“and just about no one else cares about any of that.”

Of course we do. At least I care about that and I think a lot of others do too. especially this:

“- and of late, he’s used every opportunity presented to trash the SC project and Chris Roberts (and CR’s family) personally.)” — Armsman

Vikingr
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SoMuchMass 
Of course he’s lying – or “exaggerating a bit”, if we’re going to be nice. Just as he was exaggerating when he said he’d made $200M during his career (so far). I think you can safely reduce his numbers by at least a factor of ten.

Vexia
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Vexia

Karl_Hungus Vexia Lol! There, there, friend. /hug Make sure to give that cynicism a rest this holiday season. Y’know, so the batteries are all nice and recharged for when you need it in 2016!

ManastuUtakata
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breetoplay ManastuUtakata squidgod2000 
Currently he has 2,536 with a ratio of c. 1:2. Percentage wise, still way more popular than me. :)

deekay_zero
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Armsman deekay_zero derek smart is relevant because the press makes him relevant.
he’s relevant because we make him relevant.others who report on what we say make him relevant there fore he’s relevant.

so the circular reasoning goes.

he’s absolutely the bogeyman you write him as above. you couldn’t play into their ploys more.

watch out for derek smart, he might be hiding under your bed tonight.

Armsman
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deekay_zero If that were true, we wouldn’t continue to see gaming articles and blogs across multiple gaming sites continue to mention Derek Smart in articles that talk about Star Citizen – yet we do. (Including many articles on the list that is the focus of this MOP article.
Derek Smart isn’t a boogeyman, he’s just a jealous, egotistical and narcissistic idiot; but because of his development history and online antics over the past 2 decades, gaming sites still interview him and give him a voice.

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ManastuUtakata squidgod2000 lol, it had never occurred to me to actually look. I kinda think I’m cheating – stupid moderator tag. I bet Mark Jacobs has more!

ManastuUtakata
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squidgod2000 
I believe Bree has 8352 likes currently,…perhaps followed by me with 3480.5 per pigtail. But keep in mind, when it comes to long term posters, the percentage of likes vs. posts becomes much more of a factor. This s where Bree  is still way, way ahead of the curve (c. 1:4)…while I am somewhere at the back of bus (c. 2:3). :(

MilitiaMasterV
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MilitiaMasterV

Too bad I was mostly lurking for a lot of this year and didn’t get more comments in because I couldn’t find my darn password for a bit…

Ripsnorta
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Ripsnorta

vicariousfan ashfyn Who knows, maybe he could stand as Trumps running mate?

Craywulf
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Craywulf

Daily Grind and MMO mechanics are probably the most intriguing columns that I participate in. It gives me a chance to step on my soap box and digress about the bothersome issues of this genre of gaming, most notably leveling, and utter lack of roleplaying mechanics. I am going keep hounding on them because I believe a lot of players are getting fed up in the way games are deliberately designed to deter your progress and control the rate in which you consume the content.

Anyway I am extremely grateful for the the opportunity to rant and rave about the MMO genre. Thanks MO!

ManastuUtakata
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The problem with Derek Smart is that he’s over played his presence than the 15 minutes that is allowed to every human being. Sure he produced a game. But his only reason of going past that 15, is he developed a better gamer after. Or the original game took off like WoW or Donkey Kong. But I digress…
…I hope his infamous presence is less next year than this by a significant degree….unless he has something of true value to add. But that’s likely as pigs flying and/or Donald Trump retracting proactively on everything he has said. /sigh

SoMuchMass
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Caec SoMuchMass I do think there needs to be people to put people like CR in check because he is overly ambitions to a fault sometimes, and I do think if anyone can do that is his brother.  I don’t think DS is criticizing SC because he is worried about the game, it is a mix of jealousy (see his failed projects) and attention seeking.

Caec
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Thornz I’m a big fan of Camelot Unchained, but I’m pretty sure it’s going to break a lot of hearts and the hype machine isn’t going to do it favors, as it continues to impress me how many people I know who have zero interest in pvp continuing to get enamored with a pvp-only game, because it can be so hard to forget that is what it is with all the various systems discussions Mark has.

Caec
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SoMuchMass If you can’t understand why there might be an argument to be made that Star Citizen is poorly managed (or the deeper philosophical question of why sometimes Publishers are a good thing), then you’re right, you probably will never understand why  admittedly idiot-heads like Derek Smart might have some criticisms. He just happens to be a bit extreme about it all.

Damonvile
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deekay_zero An Overabundance of Cats breetoplay Skyewauker that’s the problem with infamy. It never really gives you the fame, respect will. Sure more people know your name, but they don’t want anything to do with you, and don’t bring you up in the same types of conversations.

Damonvile
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An Overabundance of Cats Karl_Hungus vicariousfan ashfyn funny that we still call them minorities when there is more of them than ” us” in the world…and maybe even in the US :P

I wonder how long it will be before that term is no longer PC.

Damonvile
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SallyBowls1 Thornz Really? I’d say most popular games are good as well. People on forums bashing them don’t really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. People wont play a game they don’t find “good”…regardless of what we read from posters all the time. Popular is simply a matter of enough people think it’s good.

deekay_zero
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Armsman deekay_zero and just about no one else cares about any of that.
gz, you foun dyour bogey man to razzle dazzle yourself to hell and back with.

fastcart
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SoMuchMass Darkwalker75 More likely he typo’d the “m” when he meant “k”.  Or, he’s counting stuff like, “The office building we work in costs $150,000 to construct.  I can add that to the total cost to build the game.”

Armsman
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deekay_zero Who has ever said DS is behind all the negative comments regarding the Star Citizen project? Certainly not me. The fact is though that DS DID develop and market ‘Battlecruiser 3000’ and also has an internet history over the years that do give him more media access (in terms of legitimate sites and publications interviewing him) – and of late, he’s used every opportunity presented to trash the SC project and Chris Roberts (and CR’s family) personally.)  An as such his comments have the illusion of ‘more weight’ to the casual gamer who might come across them – so to say he doesn’t have any effect on SCs crowdfunding would be inaccurate.
DS has been jealous of CR’s (and Wing Commander’s success) since the early 1990ies and even sent a letter threatening a lawsuit of Origin and CR over Wing Commander and how he felt it borrowed from and infringed on ‘Battlecruiser 3000’. So unfortunately, it’s not like Derek Smart is some random blogger bagging on the SC project.

fastcart
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vicariousfan mmonerd Batpoop. I’m gonna start using that.  Thanks. (:

SoMuchMass
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Darkwalker75 SoMuchMass Well he could be lying, because there is no way that is worth 15 million but here is the actual quote:
“Yes, I know, the http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/08/lod-v-sc/ are going to keep coming. And it’s supposed (it’s not) to be flattering that some are  comparing a 4yr + $100m (triple-A budget right there) built by up to 500 people at one point, to a 5yr year indie (http://lodmmo.com/lod-credits/ at any point) project that thus far cost less than $15m to build.”

fastcart
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Darkwalker75 SoMuchMass WRT $15 million, we can always ask the FTC to investigate this.  I hear that’s a thing.

Darkwalker75
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SoMuchMass 
I would not be surprised if that one concurrent player is himself, just to give the appearance of someone actually playing.

If that game of his has cost $15 million so far, I wonder where he got the money from.
I cant imagine anyone willing to give him money to make a game given how he spends all his time trying to discredit SC instead of working on his own things.

Skyewauker
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breetoplay Skyewauker deekay_zero What I was saying was, literally, that I had never heard of Derek Smart til I read it here in one of the articles.  I think that us talking about him is the only time he is brought up lol.

SoMuchMass
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I was thinking about this the other day, and I can see the position people like Derek Smart are coming from although I don’t agree with anything they say.  Him and a couple of other indie developers see a game like Star Citizen get 100+ million in funding and have a community of 1+ million while his game has a peak concurrency in any given week of 1 and his fanbase is probably less than 100 people. 
So there is a massive jealously aspect.  Why should CR get 100+ million in funding when I can’t get 100K from fans?  I was shocked when DS said his game Line of Defense has cost about 15 million to make thus far.  15 million dollars.  Looking at the game I am shocked it even cost 25K to be honest.

confectionally
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confectionally

Aww, that February Daily Grind.  It was a pretty nervous time.  And I’m saying that as myself, Jane Average Not Involved In This Publication, so I can only imagine how awful it was for you guys getting the rug pulled out from under you and striking out on your own!
Thank you for all the hard work this year.  This is a site I genuinely enjoy visiting every day and I look forward to reading MOP for hopefully many a year to come.  Happy Holidays, everybody. :)

Lotsofheals
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What to many facts ?

Lethality
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Lethality

breetoplay deekay_zero Armsman Honest question Bree: how can what he does be relevant if it doesn’t affect the business, the game, or the fans in any measurable, material way?

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