Massively Overthinking: ‘Dead games’ in the MMO space


I had a laugh a while back when I spied this tweet in my feeds from a Bungie CM who was suggesting people mute the words “dead game” on Twitter. Forever. It’s a whole mood. I hate seeing the phrase because it’s seldom actually used for games that have actually been killed off or sunsetted – ever notice that? It’s always used as a weapon to tear down someone who likes something that is perceived as not being at the height of popularity. Something small, something forgotten, something unloved – but something alive.

I want to talk about “dead games” in the MMO space in this week’s Massively Overthinking because the reality is that we have a lot of games that get plastered with that term. What games are considered “dead” but aren’t? What “dead games” do you still play? Are you as sick of the term as I am? What terms would you prefer?

Andrew Ross (@dengarsw): Chris really hit the nail on the head for this one. It’s funny because among the general population, most people consider Pokemon GO a dead game, yet it’s been among the top-grossing mobile games for years, and actually has been making more money than its initial release at times. I actually see this a lot in games I play, as I tend to make it past the “first 30-days” (or less!) that mainstream gamers hit before their attention turns elsewhere, and its not even small titles: Every Animal Crossing between iterations, Monster Hunter games that have been out for a few months, even people at my school said this about the Asheron’s Call games even as I would have to wait in a queue to log in because of the high demand.

“Dead games” is just a part of a general “rhat’s not cool anymore” slam. I remember kids in the ’90s slamming my interest in Star Wars up until celebs were getting excited about The Phantom Menace, and even if it wasn’t critically a good movie, it did turn some of my classmates into fans.

And that’s the thing: People can be turned to the “darkside.” I may not like it, but since (at the minimum) my hobbies and interests have always been taunted as being “uncool,” I’m probably just numb to the idea that pretty much any game I’m enjoying will be a “dead game” even if it’s financially and/or critically successful. What is important to me is that at least talking about “dead games” can attract a mainstream that may come and go like the tide but may leave a few gems in their wake.

Now, if a game is actually dead, like sunsetted or close to it, that’s another matter entirely.

Carlo Lacsina (@UltraMudkipEX, YouTube, Twitch): Every time my tank queue goes over 30 seconds in FFXIV, I usually say some kind of quip about how long my wait time is and then joke at how FFXIV is a dead game. Obviously, that’s not true. But I hear it all the time in Black Desert Online, especially in the Olvia servers.

I personally find it hilarious. It’s like the signal to bring in the clowns. As soon as someone says, “BDO IS A DEAD GAME,” there’s going to be the person who defends BDO and uses superior logic and tactics to forever prove that BDO is not a dead game. Then there’s the guy from a certain reddit that will say, “WELL ACTUALLY, THE WHOLE GENRE IS DEAD.” And those arguments get super heated. It’s a good time – bonus points if the original poster just said it to troll.

I don’t really have a stake in it. As long as the game isn’t sunsetting, I’m a happy camper.

You know what’s a really dead game though? Wizardry Online. (More like Wizardry Offline, am I right!?) Why? Because it’s actually sunsetted. It would be fun if it weren’t dead, though. Had some neat ideas going on there.

Chris Neal (@wolfyseyes, blog): I couldn’t possibly be more sick of this term. I want it launched into the sun on a burning rocket that is also set to explode while fighter jets intercept and blow up any debris left behind.

Repeating a point that Tyler’s recent Not So Massively column excellently made, this phrase has been used to poison the well against a wide variety of games like Anthem, as well as titles like WildStar and MapleStory 2. It’s a frustrating tribalistic habit spawned from the identity of being a gamer, nurtured by angry YouTubers, granted relevance by social media posts that eagerly try to go viral, and deep-seated in the idea that sales numbers are the primary metric of a healthy game. And more often than not, a “dead game” claim is used by people who also wail about the genre’s impending end with all of the eloquence and foresight of your favorite sidewalk soothsayer crackhead.

I guess what I’m saying is: Stop bloody well using it as a weapon and let people like different games.

Justin Olivetti (@Sypster, blog): Just as in most online discourse in our culture, extremist language bubbles to the top — and I see “dead games” as an extreme position that allows for no nuance or context. There are always so many factors to consider before banging a gavel and declaring a game dead. How are its numbers? Is it still making a profit? Is the studio actively developing for it? Is the community supportive of the game and openly promotes it in blog posts, Reddit threads, etc.? Is it still enjoyable?

I mean, if a game’s servers are technically on but the dev team has clearly abandoned the game, there’s only seven people playing on Steam Charts, and nothing new or interesting has happened with that title in a half-year, then yes, it’s “dead” even though it’s still walking. But I feel that gamers are over-eager to apply this label to any game that they’ve burned out on or hold some personal vendetta against.

Tyler Edwards (blog): Yeah, this is one of my biggest gaming pet peeves.

For one thing, the phrase “dead game” has been so over-used it’s lost all meaning. Go to the forums or main subreddit for virtually any game, and you won’t have to look hard to find at least one person claiming the game is dead or dying. I’ve even seen people apply to the label to single-player games that were never intended as live services. The game didn’t die; it finished development. That’s how single-player games work, you absolute vegetative donkey.

In theory, the term could have some use. I think it’s meant to imply a game that’s in maintenance mode and/or headed for imminent closure, and knowing that a game is in that state is useful information for potential new players. But when it’s thrown at every game under the sun, it stops conveying anything useful whatsoever.

When it comes to large games that have momentum behind them — like World of Warcraft, which has famously been dying since alpha — the “dead game” parrots are irritating, but largely harmless. But when it comes to newer and smaller games, they can be downright toxic. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as the “dead game” labels scares away people who might otherwise give it a try. I definitely believe this has been a significant contributor to the premature demises of some really great games, like Anthem and The Secret World.

So yeah, I’ve had it with the term. It’s a cancer on the medium.

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Kind of funny that the examples used for games incorrectly called dead games are simultaneously actually dead games. Then you guys somehow create a bit of mental gymnastics to state that the reason TSL and Anthem failed was because of people having negative perception of the game? You picked horrible examples.

Anthem literally launched with single digit campaign hours, had one event in an entire year, and was just shuttered after promising content for 2 years. So the naysayers were right, they didn’t cause the fire??? How is it their fault the developers made a poor game?

TSL had many flaws even the creator would acknowledge (it was last second adopted into a multiplayer game, wasn’t even intended to be one in the first place), I don’t think people calling it a dead game even ranks on the list.

I think there is a poisoning of the well that can happen, when people mislead or grossly exaggerate. But that argument would work, if there was actually a good enough game behind the supposed false criticism. I think that’s more of a symptom of a problem.

Sarnaut Explorer

Justin’s comment halfway fits Allods EU p2p server right now. Content is still being made, but the server is barren. 20 people AT MOST play right now at peak times.

Eric Côté


I agree, it’s stupid and toxic, and doesn’t help anyone. I’ve used the term as a counter argument that on the contrary, that a game isn’t dead, in a sarcastic manner.

Some people use overarching terms to define their own personal opinion as fact, instead of being honest and saying it’s opinion – as if having one is bad. It’s taking shit talking to another level, another thing I’m tired of. I see that as just another toxic way to talk to other people. I’m ”old school”, and would rather have a more in-depth convo with someone than shit talk all day.

I behave in a way as to present myself the way I want to be treated : I’ll treat you with respect, I expect the same. If you don’t, well, I close the door on that person and never speak to them again. That is, I treat others like I want to be treated. Not with kid gloves – with kindness, respect.

I’m not saying if you wanna do that with your true besties, go for it, it’s not my business anyway….

But that’s how I do it.

Ben Lappin

When Blizzard announced that they were scaling back development resources for Heroes of the Storm and canning HGC (Blizzard’s official esports league for the game which was getting way too much money bulldozed into it in an attempt to force the game to be as big as LoL), I thought of that as a “dead game”. People continued playing it (including me), other much more sustainable leagues are arising, and Blizzard had continued releasing updates to the game at what, frankly, is a much more comfortable and less insanity-whiplash-inducing pace.

For me, the watershed moment came when someone posted a YouTube video with HotS’ Grave Golem as the thumbnail and the title “UNDEAD GAME???” That really softened the blow for me. Thanks, whoever that was!

Monty Vesper

I think that you care a little too much about something that really doesn’t matter.

If someone calls a game that I am playing a “dead game” I really do not care because I am enjoying the game. And that is all that matters to me. To take offense to such a term seems silly and kind of pathetic.

It is just video games first of all, we all have different tastes and opinions, therefore everything is subjective.

I respect someone who says a game is dead, I just assume they don’t like or didn’t like the game and move on, and I think you should do the same.

Eric Côté

And yeah, that’s a totally good point too, not letting others determine what you like or not. IMO the point of the article is more about how it can be frustrating to less veteran gamers, perhaps, or a turn off for them, that someone with artificial clout says something is dead. Obviously to me, you have more discernment regarding these things. But some folks don’t.


In this comments section I’ve seen people throw Dead Game around at anything ranging from a company’s soul to a game on maintenance mode.

As many of you know I work at a Hospital as a Healthcare Professional. We do not have these nebulous forms of criteria to determine whether a patient is alive or not. We also have to legally make sure a patient is medically stable before we can discharge them regardless of their means to pay, or what kind of a person they are.

For example when we get patients from Long Term care facilities that specialize in Brain Injuries we can not refuse care to a patient that is in layman’s terms a vegetable because technically they are showing signs of life, even though they are on Maintenance Mode such as Rift.

Let’s say you get an alcoholic that frequently comes in with GI Bleeds but leaves AMA every single admission, we are required to care for this patient, even if they do something stupid like walk out of an ICU after ripping a catheter out of their penis causing so much trauma that they now have balls the size of a cantaloupe and have been on Continuous Bladder Irrigation to flush blood clots off of a severely damaged prostate for weeks; yes we even have to take care of ass holes that remind you of companies like Blizzard, or Zenimax we just can’t declare them dead.

Let’s say you have a Cancer patient with Stage 4 Cancer that decides to go on a morphine drip to die with some dignity, even that patient is not dead until they die; much like Defiance.


This is a dead column.
Sorry, it seemed appropriate. Okay, serious answer. I prefer the term maintenance mode to describe a game with a low population, no longer getting new contents or bug fixes (except for the serious ones), but still running and still getting attention from the publisher in terms of events.

Case in point: RIFT. Classic maintenance mode.

The most fun is when, out of the blue, new content arrives! Case in point: RIFT.

After a couple years really in maintenance mode, all of a sudden there’s a PTR up with new content being tested. Not MUCH new content, mind you, no new continents, but still…NEW CONTENT.

So a game in maintenance mode can make a comeback.

Those who call WoW a dead game remind of the old Yogi Berra line, “That place is so popular, no one goes there any more.” Yup.


There’s hipster trendy ‘dead game’ which means “something I don’t like or play generally because it’s not cool”

Then there’s the simply descriptive ‘dead game’ indicating no, or nearly no players, which would be, say, Ghosts ‘n Goblins.

The second is a meaningful clade. The former is hipster speak and who gives the faintest crap about them using it in their snowflake way?

Bryan Correll

the “dead game” parrots are irritating

They’re just pining for the fjords.


There is only one answer to the claim that a game is dead.

“Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your MMO here is only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead”